Hargreaves was a risk. We knew about his knee and signed him anyway.
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Hargreaves was a risk. We knew about his knee and signed him anyway.
That was stupidity and panic by us not a risk.Fellaini at £27m
A risk would of been signing him for his buyout clause not at an inflated price.
Buying someone for an inflated price at the very last minute in the transfer window is probably as big a risk you're going to get.
Every transfer is a risk to some extent.
Fellaini was a risk and it hasn't paid off. Van Persie was a risk that did.
He didn't cost us is much as Vidal so the risk on investment was lower.
If you look at the price of transfers being made at the time, Hargreaves was pretty expensive actually.
I have a sneeky feeling people watching Ed´s space will be very disapointed!
Not unlike a big, gaping cnut
If you adjust the prices for inflation rio and veron cost quite a lot as well.
The season Hargreaves played he was fairly pivotal, we won the double and for that I couldn't care less about the price tag.
I would rather risk £35mil or so on Vidal, win the league than spend £30mil on a load of 'ones for the future' that more often than not, are loaned and then sold for peanuts.
The lack of denial from Vidal since day one speaks volume. Just pay €50m or whatever they are asking for you cnut.
I believe if his knee checks out, he will be ours.
But how will United know if his knee is fine? Isn't that what a medical is for?
That's a great question, there was too much smoke initially for there not to be a fire...maybe his knee is really crocked?
The next week should tell us a lot more, we need another CM, that's for certain.
True that..
Things have gone very quiet. Not sure why would we wait so much.
I hope it's the calm before the storm
I wouldn't say never takes a risk but it seems apparent that the Hargreaves episode has put some fear into us as far as transfers go.
That's usually when things start happening behind the scenes.
I'm way more afraid of coming 7th and missing out on the Champions league again.
Because we're not buying him and the papers have finally got bored of rehashing the same old story.
Medicals are more for health concerns I'm pretty sure such as heart problems or kidney stones or things like that. I mean if Vermaelen passed a medical, anyone can.
Clubs should always be careful with what they buy. Commiting £70 plus million on a player with a dodgy knee is not sensible if it looks like being a problem. Money isnt unlimited - if a player is signed and turns out to be a crock he has to be replaced.
The relaity is its evidently proving difficult to bring the players the manager wants into the club for whatever reason. Perhaps not ebing in the CL is causing the problem, or maybe the players Van Gaal rates just arent avaialble. I suspect they'll move onto second choice targets if thats the case.
The club find themselves in a diffuclt position to be fair. They need players - but not players for the sake of it. I suspect decisions have been., or are being made in order to moves things forward.
People can speculate that the reason deals are not being done is because of penny pinching but the evidence doesnt support that to be honest.
And that is sensible for most clubs but if the Glazers have shown us one thing it's that United is virtually a licence to print money.
If Hargreaves passed a medical, anyone can as well.
We miss out on champs league next year, watch how that changes.
A license to print money for themselves not to be invested into actually winning things. Having a successful business means maximising profits at the lowest possible cost. The Glazers don't give a feck about United.
So what? The club shouldnt be buying players who are not physically reliable - whoever they are. The board has a resposibility to act prudently in terms fo the clubs long term future. Wasting money on a player who has to be replaced in a year (whilst still being paid a mega sum of wages every week) is not a good position for the club to be in. There is money to spend - and that money should be spent on the right players who can pefrom at their best for the club and bring success on the pitch.
If a player has a long standing injury then a) he wont be the same player that the club wanted in the first place and b) he might not be available a lot of the time. Signing that player makes no sense from either a footballing or financial point of view.
Vidal is a great player - as he was pre-injury. This injury may be nothing to worry about and he might still be that player. But there is a risk that he might not be, so I personally think its sensible for the club to check it out thoroughly before they commit.
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Yes but that model changes if we go two years without champs league and with the way the other top teams are strengthening we are getting left behind.
If we don't get at least 2 players in, we will struggle to win the league and champions league places are not assured.
Im not the Glazers' biggest fan but that just doesnt stack up. Making money is dependant on success at the club - without which the "brand" counts for nothing and no money is made.
Under Fergie they could invest minimally and still have success. They underinvested massively and that's arguably the major reason we are where we are. Last season proved that it cannot be done anymore. They've already sanctioned spending £30 million on an 18 year old left back and another £30 million on a young player with no international caps. They moved quickly to sack Moyes and swallow the associated costs of doing so. That suggest there is money there to spend and that the manager will be allowed to spend it.
We've targetted top class players so far and they havent come off - either being unavailable or moved to big clubs who could offer CL football this year. Perhaps we should have set our sights a bit lower - but had we done so, the club would be getting stick left and right for that as well.
As it is, sacking Moyes will probably be the best thing long term, but its slowed the process of rebuilding this summer.
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We're already getting left behind and the Glazer's won't change a model that makes them money. We've missed out on Champions league this season and that has been seen as a reason not to invest in the squad because we have less games to worry about. Going forward it's going to be incredibly difficult to compete with teams who have an ownership structure like Chelsea/City/Bayern/Barca/Madrid that's fully geared towards winning trophies whereas we have owners who wouldn't care if we did an Arsenal and kept making CL for the least amount possible.
The lack of movement would be okay except for this statement...
Based on that statement the lack of activity is maddening...!!
Based on that statement the lack of activity is maddening...
!!Disappointing start for Vidal week two days and nothing.
There's not even any bullshit reports though... have they given up?
Of course it stacks up when every bit of evidence since their arrival supports the idea they aren't interested in competing in the transfer market with the likes of Barca/Madrid/City/Bayern/Chelsea whom we are supposed to be competing with on the pitch. Yes a clubs success will help them make money but if you told the Glazers they could spend £150m and win the league or spend £75m finish top 4 and pocket the other £75m for themselves we're finishing top 4. People who are set on defending the "business" model is all good and well but that comes at a cost because we compete vs teams who have owners that don't get involved for profit and actually cost themselves huge amounts of money simply for success. You only need to look across the pond at what the Glazer's have done with their other sports franchise to see how fecked we are long term with them as owners.
Shaw and Herrera should have been signed last summer and their respective ages makes it a smart investment rather than sign of owners being willing to splash money for a championship winning team. Incredible to think of how far we've fallen that people are actually giving them credit for making these signings. They're parasites on United and I don't know how long or what it'll take for the some fans to realise it.
What top class players have we targeted that hasn't come off? Bidding pennies for Fabregas made us look like fools and every time season tickets need renewed Woodward gives an interview talking about being willing to break world records or leak rumours of bringing Ronaldo back neither happen of course.
The lack of movement would be okay except for this statement...
Based on that statement the lack of activity is maddening...
Based on that statement we will pursue a player for record fee IF and only IF that's what the MANAGER wants!
He gave his interview after the season ticket renewal this time
I have never been the biggest fan of the Glazers and I don't think it's beyond them to have a few stooges on bigger message boards like this to defend their policies and that's why I don't tend to get involved in the Glazer debates here or anywhere on the internet anymore. But whatever their policy was, it had worked upto last summer without them having to spend too much, and with us being competitive the fans didn't care much either. This summer and the next(if we get back into CL) will tell me what their actual intentions are, uf they really want us to compete with the likes of Real/Barcelona or if they are just happy to keep it going as long as the club is making enough money for them.
Vidal signing for us seems a million miles away right now
After all the noise and clamouring for the likes of Benatia, Varane and Hummels... Rojo.
After all the noise and clamouring for Vidal...
Nothing. Although de Jong and McCarthy would be great too.
Why? Have I missed something? Genuine question, btw.
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