Arturo Vidal

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Chaky_Best said:
I didn't came to this thread since a month and nothing has changed....

I said that Vidal will not come because of Juve's resistance and the price tag

I've another concern, the fact that I don't see him been a star in this 3-5-2 because he's like Herrera, more a box to box player, and we probably need a defensive one there

So IF King Arturo comes, will we play in a 4-2-3-1 ?
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It's not Juve's resistance, it's our worries about his knee (or possibly, the price relative to the concerns about his knee).

As for going to a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, that has less to do with Vidal and more to do with our lack of quality wingers and over-abundance of strikers.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
reports that his agent is in London, so what?
Is there any reports of our people that matter in transfers are also in London, if not , it make not a jot of difference.
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Well his agent was most certainly in England as Vidal and Angelo Henriquez who just made a loan move today have the same agent, Felicevich.
 
Borys said:
Firstly, Vidal is much better defensively than Herrera.

Secondly, why would he be a better fit in 4-2-3-1 than 3-5-2? If anything, the latter gives him more freedom on the pitch with 3 CBs and 2 wingbacks, while in the former midfield duo usually stays deep.

I expect us to stick to 3-5-2 for at least 2 seasons (if it works, of course) and Vidal perfect for that one.

Edit: Also, as @LennonNL mentioned, Juve used 3-5-2 frequently so it might turn out he knows this system already well enough.
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Hold up. Muppet moment. Didn't LvG say he'd prefer signing players who know the system or who can adapt to the system fast enough? ArturON :drool:
 
Can someone who speaks Spanish write a mock up of Feliz Navidad using Vidal and his agent's names, please?

Something like:

Felic-e-vee-ich
Felic-e-vee-ich
Please make Juventus sell Arturo Vidal
 
Stretch said:
Hold up. Muppet moment. Didn't LvG say he'd prefer signing players who know the system or who can adapt to the system fast enough? ArturON :drool:
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That's correct, he said many times that "players need to understand the system so that it can work" etc. As I said before, he's the man for us.
 
The big bar to playing 4-3-3 is having rooney mata and rvp. We have 2 centre forwards and a #10, none of which have pace. All of them have to play. It's just how our squad is. LVG know's its badly balanced but what can he do about that.

Maybe RVP aging will be the catalyst for moving towards 4-3-3. But all this talk of playing 4-2-3-1 is pretty dumb. It means dropping LVGs fave player or our 300,000 pound a week striker. It's obvious why we're playing 3-5-2, it get our three best players on the pitch and lets us have some pace. This isn't the squad LVG would pick but he's doing his best with it.

With all this said I think Di Maria would be an awful signing, but Vidal, Hummels and Cuadrado all make perfect sense. Cuadrado replaces rafael - a much better player going forward and far less injury prone - while still injecting some much needed pace. Hummels or someone similar can just obviously be accommodated. Fletcher is currently our main #6 and clearly can be improved upon - with all due respect to an absolute legend.

Those 3 positions would make our starting 11 so well balanced with that formation. We probably wouldn't have the best 11 in the league but that doesn't mean we won't have the most effective.

Beyond that there are probably some squad players needed obviously but I really think all this talk of 4-3-3 this season and 4-2-3-1 isn't well thought out
 
bishblaize said:
Clubs rarely just randomly fax bids out of the blue then go to the negotiating table. In most cases they will have discussions first and have a fairly close idea of what both parties are after by the time the bid goes in. So the bid is usually the penultimate thing to happen, not the first thing.

Consider the Vidal deal - the very existence of all these rumours suggests that the club is working on it. All that stuff about medicals, deals with agents, agreed personal terms, preparing a bid etc - that's the work taking place. If/when a bid goes in, the ground work has been done. The bid, if anything, is a formality and sending one over right now could make zip all difference, since all the moving parts haven't yet been agreed.

On the other hand if you think all those things are just rumours without foundation, then basically you're complaining that Ed hasn't achieved something he isn't trying to do.
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I understand a bid is usually the final part but have we left enough time for all of the required negotiations that go before hand? This is what worries me.
Also I don't believe for a moment we are not after Vidal either but if we are waiting for him to play a game first to prove his fitness we are cutting it very close especially with the reports of Juve setting a deadline.
 
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Redcafe should release a statement demanding of Vermaelen to come forward and explain to us why he Barcelona.
 
Has a Juve forum, much the same as ourselves, really come out and asked him to clarify his position?

Haha, those cnuts must be fecking shitting themselves!

So this is what it feels like to be Madrid!

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Y2A said:
So we went from signing to agreeing terms to preparing a bid to monitoring to "really like him" FFS!
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No we went from being interested to loads of bullshit reports to still being interested.
 
You muppets have to relax... Woody is just busy looking for the fax machine, once he finds it he will place a bid for 20 Million just like Fabregas
 
gulli_G said:
http://www.statsbomb.com/2014/04/vi...d-aaron-ramsey-arturo-vidal-and-andrea-pirlo/

Interesting stuff
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It's such a totally unhelpful visualisation. It doesn't do anything to help you get a grip on how good the midfielder is that you couldn't get just from a list of the stats. It's drawn as if 'area' is somehow indicative of something, but of course it's not, because higher stats ≠ larger area; it depends entirely on the arrangement.

And besides, there are negative and positive stats depicted in the same way. Dispossessed, dribbled past etc indistinguishable, in the visualisation, from tackles, key passes etc. The whole point of a visualisation is that it should make the information easier to quickly comprehend, and this does the opposite.

They'd have been much better off with a simple bar chart.
 
Red Shorts said:
That's a bit sad.
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I think it's a great way to get to know what's happening. It's not fair on Juve fans to keep them in the dark with this and Vidal owes it to them to come out and say what's happening. Fair enough if he doesn't know himself but the whole bloomin' world needs some sort of update!

This has nothing to do with my personal need for an update :nervous:
 
Brightonian said:
It's such a totally unhelpful visualisation. It doesn't do anything to help you get a grip on how good the midfielder is that you couldn't get just from a list of the stats. It's drawn as if 'area' is somehow indicative of something, but of course it's not, because higher stats ≠ larger area; it depends entirely on the arrangement.

And besides, there are negative and positive stats depicted in the same way. Dispossessed, dribbled past etc indistinguishable, in the visualisation, from tackles, key passes etc. The whole point of a visualisation is that it should make the information easier to quickly comprehend, and this does the opposite.

They'd have been much better off with a simple bar chart.
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You're not wrong there mate
 
Just got a feeling LVG will put an end to this rumour, possibly after tomorrow's game.
 
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