Arturo Vidal

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1/3 Vidal. His injury prognosis can be determined by a medical. Swelling of the knee is a bad sign as it suggests weight bearing cartilage.

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2/3 Hence issue. United will not agree another fee without a medical. Juve want the fee agreed again (was 35m Juve want more). United


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3/3 refusing to go through all process again as it stands. Latest. I'm no medical expert so it's impossible for me to provide the previous.
Sounds fishy, why would we refuse another medical to prove the player has no problems unless we really have given up.
 
We won't sign Vidal if he's screwed up his rehabilitation by playing with injections at the world cup. Can't see how there won't be long-term complications due to this. Further surgery would only complicate the situation, too, due to the unpredictability of scar tissue. Unless we can be sure what he did at the world cup hasn't affected him for the long term, we absolutely won't be signing him.

What an absolute screw up this could prove to be. He's potentially destroyed his own career chances by forcing himself back to play in the world cup. International football will have claimed another.
 
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That was Gill. This is Woodward. Give him time to prepare the bid.

Have you no experience with Microsoft Word/Outlook/Excel? Preparing documentation takes time.
The "preparing' joke never gets old.

Probably because it wasn't fecking funny in the first place.
 
People still think this is happening despite all the evidence to the contury?

There is no way we're gonna sanction a deal of this magnitude with an issue with the knee. And three weeks is not enough time to evaluate whether or not he'll return to peak fitness.
 
People still think this is happening despite all the evidence to the contury?

There is no way we're gonna sanction a deal of this magnitude with an issue with the knee. And three weeks is not enough time to evaluate whether or not he'll return to peak fitness.
Yep.
 
People still think this is happening despite all the evidence to the contury?

There is no way we're gonna sanction a deal of this magnitude with an issue with the knee. And three weeks is not enough time to evaluate whether or not he'll return to peak fitness.
What evidence to the contrary?
 
People still think this is happening despite all the evidence to the contury?

There is no way we're gonna sanction a deal of this magnitude with an issue with the knee. And three weeks is not enough time to evaluate whether or not he'll return to peak fitness.
What evidence? I don't think this will happen, but I don't see all the evidence you allude to.
 
Well seeing as the Chile National coach seems to have confirmed our doubts about his knee, then if that is the issue, that wont be sorted in three weeks. Especially not for a deal of this size.
 
We don't really know the extent of his knee injury. It may well be being blown out of proportion and it's not as bad as it seems. Only way to find out is to see how Vidal is after pre-season and decide if we want to put a bid in. United won't want another Hargreaves on their hands. Vidal is the best in his position but it's not worth throwing 40-50 million at him if he's going to spending more time on the treatment table than on the pitch.
 
That was Gill. This is Woodward. Give him time to prepare the bid.

Have you no experience with Microsoft Word/Outlook/Excel? Preparing documentation takes time.
Can't tell if you're being serious or not
 
Well seeing as the Chile National coach seems to have confirmed our doubts about his knee, then if that is the issue, that wont be sorted in three weeks. Especially not for a deal of this size.
Then why would he even mention the transfer (not potential) to us if we weren't interested?
 
Has anyone any idea what we are waiting for?. What i mean is i understand we are weary about his knee but we are still interested supposedly so what are we actually waiting for to happen before we take this further?.

We don't know.

The only timeline I saw was in one of the early Chilean articles where it was commenting on the injections (painkillers/anti-inflammatories etc) he'd had so he could play in the WC. That talked about him needing 4 weeks rest before the knee could be reassessed to see how the inflammation and scar-tissue was doing, as well as looking at the meniscus repair itself. That 4 weeks was more or less up when he got back to Turin.

My guess is that the medical wasn't conclusive.
 
Well seeing as the Chile National coach seems to have confirmed our doubts about his knee, then if that is the issue, that wont be sorted in three weeks. Especially not for a deal of this size.
For all we know, the doubts were weeks ago (when the knee checking thing was first reported), and he's had time to recuperate since then.

Basically none of us know anything about his fitness, and the knee concerns could have held up the deal at the time, but those concerns could well be dissipating. We don't know the time scale. Your assumption that 3 weeks isn't enough time is a guess, there could well already be improvement from when the deal was held up. He could be ready to go through a medical any time now. The deal having been held up doesn't automatically mean it will be held up further.
 
That was Gill. This is Woodward. Give him time to prepare the bid.

Have you no experience with Microsoft Word/Outlook/Excel? Preparing documentation takes time.

Oooo look at you with your redcafe jokes!
 
For all we know, the doubts were weeks ago (when the knee checking thing was first reported), and he's had time to recuperate since then.

Basically none of us know anything about his fitness, and the knee concerns could have held up the deal at the time, but those concerns could well be dissipating. We don't know the time scale. Your assumption that 3 weeks isn't enough time is a guess, there could well already be improvement from when the deal was held up. He could be ready to go through a medical any time now. The deal having been held up doesn't automatically mean it will be held up further.
He's on that tour though unfortunately :(
 
When do Juve return from their tour? Assuming nothing happens during their tour like it did with Van Persie, he'll hopefully be coming afterwards
 
When do Juve return from their tour? Assuming nothing happens during their tour like it did with Van Persie, he'll hopefully be coming afterwards

August 17 apparently. If we are going to do this, it will most likely be done in the last few days of the window
 
Don't understand the people saying we should move on to Strootman because of the worry over Vidals knee.

Vidal has only had minor surgery on his miniscus.

Strootman has had a full ACL reconstruction which is much much worse and almost always involves some kind of miniscus repair.

Out of the 2 injuries, Strootmans is far more threatening.
 
How bad could this knee problem of Vidal's be? Can it ultimately be career threatening? Should we think twice about buying a player that could turn out to be another Hargreaves and spend most of his playing career with Manchester United on the bench? I'm not sure I've recovered from that debacle yet, without needing another one!
 
Absolutely. I dont know much about these things but I remember thinking that. The way things panned out with Hargreaves, I remember reading his surgeon had said this was the worst case he had seen in his whole career, and he specialised in this injury and worked with American Football players. You read that and you think, what the hell are these people even looking for if they dont pick that up? I dont know if that is fair, I remember people with a better grasp of medicine than me telling me it was unrealistic to expect a medical to pick this kind of thing up. If that is the case, and given the amount of money clubs spend on players these days, maybe medicals should be considerably more comprehensive.
The surgeon had the benefit of being able to cut open Hargo's knees and have a look inside. I don't think that is allowed in a medical.
 
I think a medical can be done at any medical facility, we will just have to send our medical team there for it imo.

So him being on the tour should not be a problem.
 
The surgeon had the benefit of being able to cut open Hargo's knees and have a look inside. I don't think that is allowed in a medical.
We should ask Vidal if we can cut open his knees. We say we only want players who want to play for United, what better way to prove your commitment to the cause than to volenteer to be cut open for the cause?

Seriously tho its a shame they cant do some kind of x-ray to get a better view of what's going on inside there.
 
That's a rumour though, no?
Well there were strong reports a medical had been completed a couple of weeks back in Turin when he came off holiday, most clubs do it upon return from holidays and we were able to use that as our medical check combined with the reports from the Chile national team. Since Juve pulled a fast one and dragged him on tour I think we decided to wait until he plays to see the extent of his fitness in a match. Juve seem very guarded about him, a little too guarded, we will hold firm until he has played unless LVG decides feck it lets have him.
Which being the perfectionist he is, he wont. He will assess him and have our scouts asses him in that match, although he may only play 10-20 mins it will be enough to know whether he is coping well with reintegration.

I expect if the interest is real that this will be wrapped up towards Wednesday of next week. I honestly couldnt imagine anything being in the way other than the fee which Sampeola seems to think is agreed, which is pretty damn reliable.
 
We should ask Vidal if we can cut open his knees. We say we only want players who want to play for United, what better way to prove your commitment to the cause than to volenteer to be cut open for the cause?

Seriously tho its a shame they cant do some kind of x-ray to get a better view of what's going on inside there.
We should invent a machine for these things.
 
We should ask Vidal if we can cut open his knees. We say we only want players who want to play for United, what better way to prove your commitment to the cause than to volenteer to be cut open for the cause?

Seriously tho its a shame they cant do some kind of x-ray to get a better view of what's going on inside there.
Maybe there is a machine - I've no idea.
 
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