Arturo Vidal

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This guy has had enough...

It's time to put this summer's most exhausting transfer saga to bed once and for all.

Louis van Gaal needs to end United's pursuit of Arturo Vidal publicly, before things get out of hand.

The rumours have taken on a life of their own of late, with agents, the player himself and his team-mates having all had their say in recent weeks.

But until Van Gaal dismisses the idea of being in for Vidal, there remains a chance that the absence of the Chilean in the team photo come the end of the summer will be viewed as a failure.

It could be anything but.

Frankly, Vidal's status has been vastly inflated throughout the Reds' alleged pursuit of his signature.

Make no mistake, the Chilean is a world class operator. His experience and quality have brought Juventus three league titles, and took his country to the World Cup last-16.

But he is still human.

Asking any 27-year-old to instantly adapt to a new league, with a £40m price tag hanging over them and concerns over a long-standing knee issue, is probably not wise.

All transfers are gambles, but this potential move feels particularly risky when the above issues are brought into play.

Van Gaal has to ask himself whether this transfer is a risk worth taking.

Especially when Darren Fletcher and Tom Cleverley have both been impressive over the course of the Reds' tour of the United States.

That is not to say that they are long-term solutions to the midfield issue, but rather suggests that they could at least keep things ticking over.

Bedding in Ander Herrera and helping the current crop to adapt to the new systems their manager will employ must be the priority for now.

That and signing a centre-back, of course.

There is also the sense that the speculation is being stoked by both the player and his club.

Vidal is arguably at the point of his career where he must seek his last big-money deal, while Juve know that he will never be worth more than he is now.

Will he truly be hungry to improve at Old Trafford, as the likes of Luke Shaw and Ander Herrera clearly are?

It is hard not to think that Kevin Strootman fits the bill better in this regard.

The Roma midfielder's best years are way ahead of him, and he has a greater chance of adapting and provides greater value than Vidal for that reason.

Of course the long-term knee injury that forced him out of the World Cup will keep him out until January, but now is not the time for United to panic.

Fletcher, Cleverley and Herrera can hold the fort until then, leaving the Reds to bring in the right player, rather than just signing an available one.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...chester-united-transfers-arturo-vidal-7571745
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Makes some interesting points but then he said...

Fletcher, Cleverley and Herrera can hold the fort
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Nope.
 
The way I see it, is that Juventus are desperate to sell, as no one will pay that much next year, LVG like a boss has told woody to sit in the naughty corner with his fat wallet, telling him to watch and learn and make the dodgy sauce Italians sweat.

He has told them: "You rehabilitate him back if you want this money (points to fat wallet)". Woody tried to stand up and pay, but got told to sit the feck back down, the dodgy Italian's had no choice but to accept the situation.
 
Adebesi said:
How much will a medical tell us anyway? What do medicals actually look for?

Hargreaves passed a medical. Presumably Vidal could come through a medical but still end up spending more time on the table than the pitch. I mean, that is a risk for every player but presumably some players more than others. And it doesnt seem like a medical is a particularly effective way of reducing that risk, given the players with a history of problems who pass medicals and then go on to continue having problems. Such as Hargreaves when he joined us, Saha when he left us for Everton, Rodwell etc. Im sure if Arsenal were willing to sell Wilshere he would pass a medical, but would anyone expect him to stay fit for more than a month?
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Medicals are more for health concerns such as potential heart problems than for injuries and such.

At least, that's what I've been led to believe.
 
if there's one thing FM has taught me it's that the only way you fail a medical is by being injured when it takes place.

Thanks FM, the football encyclopedia.
 
RetroStu said:
Has anyone any idea what we are waiting for?. What i mean is i understand we are weary about his knee but we are still interested supposedly so what are we actually waiting for to happen before we take this further?.
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His knee to, you know, get better.
 
Our Twittersphere friend Zipster has been mouthing off in his latest tweets that Woodward is the one holding up the deal (insurance reasons related to Vidal's knee injury) and that Vidal "may pull the plug" if the deal continues to hit a brick wall.

The best part about all this is the fact that United, Juventus and Vidal himself have all confirmed this to an Internet nobody.
 
TheUnitedWay said:
Medicals are more for health concerns such as potential heart problems than for injuries and such.

At least, that's what I've been led to believe.
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A bad knee injury can fail a medical. Demba Ba failed a medical at Stoke years ago because of a risky Knee. So some clubs choose to take the risk and some don't. The Knee is a serious matter compared to other injuries for a player. Owen Hargreaves tendonitis in both knee's was a massive feck up by our medical staff. They must have been blind not to see how bad it was. Think of it in lay man terms, would you pay over the odds for a laptop/car that looked good but may breakdown and need replaced after 6 months. It's a risk assessment, I doubt that's what is wrong with this deal. The media are making up some crap all Summer, we don't know if we put a bid in for him? This thread was good fun for a while but has stalled for ages. Fecking Sky Italia update from some Juve fan. I hope it comes to a head soon, some blind faith going on in here recently.
 
I hate this thread. Even though I don't comment on it much, I check it every half hour or so. I think about it more than I think about many other vastly important things like work and real life.

I also hate Twitter and the fact that it was even invented.

I hate The Mail, The Metro and the other rags which I keep seeing in my hourly 'Vidal' Google News search.

I particularly hate the Chilean people who keep chucking in bits of hope which could range from 0% - 100% true, but are in reality probably negative percentages.

I've even come to hate the sight of Vidal himself and fear that if he should actually sign I might subconsciously want him to fail should he touch the ball during a match.

Yep, think thats about it.
 
Can't we just sign him and then call the deal off if he fails his medical in Manchester?
 
Crustanoid said:
I hate this thread. Even though I don't comment on it much, I check it every half hour or so. I think about it more than I think about many other vastly important things like work and real life.

I also hate Twitter and the fact that it was even invented.

I hate The Mail, The Metro and the other rags which I keep seeing in my hourly 'Vidal' Google News search.

I particularly hate the Chilean people who keep chucking in bits of hope which could range from 0% - 100% true, but are in reality probably negative percentages.

I've even come to hate the sight of Vidal himself and fear that if he should actually sign I might subconsciously want him to fail should he touch the ball during a match.

Yep, think thats about it.
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But you still love the Caf....don't you....come on...you do...
 
togg said:
But you still love the Caf....don't you....come on...you do...
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Yes, yes I do, but I have to stay logged out most of the time to discipline my self into getting stuff done. That discipline has gone to shit since this transfer saga started.
 
TheUnitedWay said:
Medicals are more for health concerns such as potential heart problems than for injuries and such.

At least, that's what I've been led to believe.
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It's a lottery, albeit quite a robustly-assessed one. A player could have a pass-with-flying-colours medical and then have a career-ender in training the next week. It could be related to a pre-existing condition which was non-detectable, or it might be something completely new.

It's the same with the general public - I know of several middle-aged men who have been deemed fit as a fiddle by their GPs, only to drop dead the same month. Some things can't be detected, but I guess with a player who has had a previous knee injury the medical staff will do their very best to assess risk, more than anything else.
 
Crustanoid said:
I hate this thread. Even though I don't comment on it much, I check it every half hour or so. I think about it more than I think about many other vastly important things like work and real life.

I also hate Twitter and the fact that it was even invented.

I hate The Mail, The Metro and the other rags which I keep seeing in my hourly 'Vidal' Google News search.

I particularly hate the Chilean people who keep chucking in bits of hope which could range from 0% - 100% true, but are in reality probably negative percentages.

I've even come to hate the sight of Vidal himself and fear that if he should actually sign I might subconsciously want him to fail should he touch the ball during a match.

Yep, think thats about it.
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I hate too.
 
It's 20 past 3, no chance it'll be announced today. Woodward is still preparing the bid, give him time ffs.
 
Offside said:
Van Persie was announced at 7pm on a Wednesday in august.
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That was Gill. This is Woodward. Give him time to prepare the bid.

Have you no experience with Microsoft Word/Outlook/Excel? Preparing documentation takes time.
 
Offside said:
Van Persie was announced at 7pm on a Wednesday in august.
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Haha im an optimist too buddy I really am but today is well to early, tomorrow at the earliest but I expect it perhaps the tail end of next week, for what its worth I think hell be our last signing of the window.
 
SolidState said:
Haha im an optimist too buddy I really am but today is well to early, tomorrow at the earliest but I expect it perhaps the tail end of next week, for what its worth I think hell be our last signing of the window.
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No way we also need reus and Hummel's yet
 
This is not happening. If we were to get him he would probably break down Hargreaves style. /pessimism
 
Morpheus 7 said:
A bad knee injury can fail a medical. Demba Ba failed a medical at Stoke years ago because of a risky Knee. So some clubs choose to take the risk and some don't. The Knee is a serious matter compared to other injuries for a player. Owen Hargreaves tendonitis in both knee's was a massive feck up by our medical staff. They must have been blind not to see how bad it was. Think of it in lay man terms, would you pay over the odds for a laptop/car that looked good but may breakdown and need replaced after 6 months. It's a risk assessment, I doubt that's what is wrong with this deal. The media are making up some crap all Summer, we don't know if we put a bid in for him? This thread was good fun for a while but has stalled for ages. Fecking Sky Italia update from some Juve fan. I hope it comes to a head soon, some blind faith going on in here recently.
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Absolutely. I dont know much about these things but I remember thinking that. The way things panned out with Hargreaves, I remember reading his surgeon had said this was the worst case he had seen in his whole career, and he specialised in this injury and worked with American Football players. You read that and you think, what the hell are these people even looking for if they dont pick that up? I dont know if that is fair, I remember people with a better grasp of medicine than me telling me it was unrealistic to expect a medical to pick this kind of thing up. If that is the case, and given the amount of money clubs spend on players these days, maybe medicals should be considerably more comprehensive.
 
Adebesi said:
Absolutely. I dont know much about these things but I remember thinking that. The way things panned out with Hargreaves, I remember reading his surgeon had said this was the worst case he had seen in his whole career, and he specialised in this injury and worked with American Football players. You read that and you think, what the hell are these people even looking for if they dont pick that up? I dont know if that is fair, I remember people with a better grasp of medicine than me telling me it was unrealistic to expect a medical to pick this kind of thing up. If that is the case, and given the amount of money clubs spend on players these days, maybe medicals should be considerably more comprehensive.
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You cant get more comprehensive then a pre season freindly game and consistent monitoring of a player whilst he is on tour.
 
Hargreaves played a good amount of games (for him) in his first season for us, he played well in our CL & PL winning campaigns, maybe our medical team thought they could manage it, obviously it went pear shaped, but going by his time at Bayern and his first season with us it would have been difficult to predict that he would be so injury prone.

Maybe a reason why we are hesitant on Vidal's knee, which looking at it this way is reasonable 47m is a lot of money.
 
Tom McDermott ‏@FootballMcD Protected Tweets 54s
1/3 Vidal. His injury prognosis can be determined by a medical. Swelling of the knee is a bad sign as it suggests weight bearing cartilage.

Tom McDermott ‏@FootballMcD Protected Tweets 21s
2/3 Hence issue. United will not agree another fee without a medical. Juve want the fee agreed again (was 35m Juve want more). United


Tom McDermott ‏@FootballMcD Protected Tweets 56s
3/3 refusing to go through all process again as it stands. Latest. I'm no medical expert so it's impossible for me to provide the previous.
 
Adnan said:
Tom McDermott ‏@FootballMcD Protected Tweets 54s
1/3 Vidal. His injury prognosis can be determined by a medical. Swelling of the knee is a bad sign as it suggests weight bearing cartilage.

Tom McDermott ‏@FootballMcD Protected Tweets 21s
2/3 Hence issue. United will not agree another fee without a medical. Juve want the fee agreed again (was 35m Juve want more). United


Tom McDermott ‏@FootballMcD Protected Tweets 56s
3/3 refusing to go through all process again as it stands. Latest. I'm no medical expert so it's impossible for me to provide the previous.
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Not even a real journo.
 
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