The atmosphere in here seems to change from "Why won't Juve fecking sell?/Why is Woody not fecking bidding?" to "Juve is trying to scam us by forcing a cripple upon us!"
Arturo Vidal
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Or it is the case of nobody knows anything and it is all guesswork.
Not sure that Suarez came back too soon and/or that he had injections in his knee. Vidal played in a friendly over a week before the World Cup even began. Also, despite being Chile's best penalty taker, he had to be subbed out just short of the 90 minute market in a 1-1 Round of 16 match against Brazil.
Why would he care? He's the national team manager.
He maybe has a good relationship with Vidal.
Yeah but why would he need to put the ball in anybodies court? It doesn't aftect him personally whether Vidal goes to United or stays at Juve. He gains nothing either way.
The worry over the knee could make this a very difficult to an impossible transfer.
1) Juventus aren't going to listen to offers unless Vidal says he wants to leave.
2) Vidal isn't going to want to leave unless he is sure the deal will be completed.
3) We can't to the deal unless we know his knee is ok and we can't judge that until we do a full medical.
4) We can't do a full medical until Juventus accept our offer.
5) back to 1.
1) Juventus aren't going to listen to offers unless Vidal says he wants to leave.
2) Vidal isn't going to want to leave unless he is sure the deal will be completed.
3) We can't to the deal unless we know his knee is ok and we can't judge that until we do a full medical.
4) We can't do a full medical until Juventus accept our offer.
5) back to 1.
Vidal wants to play in a better league and for a better club, i supposed that that's why Sampoali mentioned Vidal "personal ambitions".
Manchester United Will Sign Arturo Vidal if He Answers Van Gaal's Knee Questions, Says Chile Coach Sampaoli
United waiting on news of Vidal's knee before sealing £47m move.Getty
Chile's national team manager Jorge Sampaoli has confirmed Manchester United want to sign Arturo Vidal, but are awaiting assurances over the condition of the midfielder's knee before pushing through the move.
Vidal was named in the Juventus squad for their preseason tour of Indonesia, Singapore and Australia on Sunday, in the club's biggest indication yet that he will not be leaving.
Yet despite this development and assurances from Juve manager Massimiliano Allegri, the Chile international remains linked with a move to Old Trafford amid suggestions Juventus will allow the player to leave for the right price.
And Sampaoli, who guided Chile to the knock-out stages of the World Cup in Brazil, has revealed United are ready to complete a £47.5m deal, providing manager Louis van Gaal can be convinced of the midfielder's long-term fitness after he underwent surgery on his right knee to resolve a meniscus injury three months ago.
Speaking to Chilean newspaper El Mecurio, Sampaoli said: "I know that right now the big obstacle facing his transfer from Juventus to United, for 80 million dollars (£47.5m), is the doubt of van Gaal regarding the improvement of Arturo's knee."
Sampaoli added that such was the extent of Vidal's injury and his hurried return to international duty that World Cup observers only saw the 27-year-old performing at "30 or 40 percent" of the level he usually performs at for the Bianconeri.
Vidal has been at the centre of speculation all summer regarding a possible move to United, whose manager van Gaal has been reluctant to discuss the possibility of new signings.
Ander Herrera and Luke Shaw have arrived this summer in the space of two days last month, but van Gaal has suggested he will prioritise strengthening United's defence during the remainder of the transfer window.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/manchester...gaals-knee-questions-says-chile-coach-1459896
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By Tony Mogan
August 5, 2014 18:07 BST - 9 43
United waiting on news of Vidal's knee before sealing £47m move.Getty
Chile's national team manager Jorge Sampaoli has confirmed Manchester United want to sign Arturo Vidal, but are awaiting assurances over the condition of the midfielder's knee before pushing through the move.
Vidal was named in the Juventus squad for their preseason tour of Indonesia, Singapore and Australia on Sunday, in the club's biggest indication yet that he will not be leaving.
Yet despite this development and assurances from Juve manager Massimiliano Allegri, the Chile international remains linked with a move to Old Trafford amid suggestions Juventus will allow the player to leave for the right price.
And Sampaoli, who guided Chile to the knock-out stages of the World Cup in Brazil, has revealed United are ready to complete a £47.5m deal, providing manager Louis van Gaal can be convinced of the midfielder's long-term fitness after he underwent surgery on his right knee to resolve a meniscus injury three months ago.
Speaking to Chilean newspaper El Mecurio, Sampaoli said: "I know that right now the big obstacle facing his transfer from Juventus to United, for 80 million dollars (£47.5m), is the doubt of van Gaal regarding the improvement of Arturo's knee."
Sampaoli added that such was the extent of Vidal's injury and his hurried return to international duty that World Cup observers only saw the 27-year-old performing at "30 or 40 percent" of the level he usually performs at for the Bianconeri.
Vidal has been at the centre of speculation all summer regarding a possible move to United, whose manager van Gaal has been reluctant to discuss the possibility of new signings.
Ander Herrera and Luke Shaw have arrived this summer in the space of two days last month, but van Gaal has suggested he will prioritise strengthening United's defence during the remainder of the transfer window.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/manchester...gaals-knee-questions-says-chile-coach-1459896
I don't think its that big an issue. We have to agree on a deal with Juventus first and then Vidal does the medical.
If he fails it, we don't do the deal. Pretty straight forward.
I'm sure we can pull off if there is something wrong with him. The move won't be completed before the medical.
if the knee is that doubtful, why is on their tour, rather than rehabbing at home?
It's not that, it's just we're looking at this from the outside and don't know how his rehabilitation is going. He had surgery and came back sooner then he should've so he could play in the world cup, what we don't know is if that complicated things or how bad of a condition his meniscus was in beforehand.
Obviously we don't want to spunk 40m pounds on a player with a dodgy knee but surely a thorough medical will highlight any problem. Especially with United having Toshiba's 'cutting edge' MRI machines! I remember back to Ruud, we backed out due to knee issues, which he claimed he did not have only for it to go a few days later in training. Surely 14 years later we can assess it in the same way. Please do not mention Hargreaves - he was a sick note before we even signed him, this Vidal injury is very minor compared to Strootmans for example but we all just assume his knee is Rosy.
We can pull the plug on any deal if necessary before parting with any cash, it just seems more an excuse IMO if not willing to actually conduct medical ourselves.
We can pull the plug on any deal if necessary before parting with any cash, it just seems more an excuse IMO if not willing to actually conduct medical ourselves.
Medel arrived to Italy to undergo his medical for Inter... After that, Felicevich is free to bring the cash to Juventus Ed.
The interview with Sampaoli is the first actual bit of news on this subject in a while. It reminded me that at almost the start of the saga this summer there were rumors that LvG was worried about Vidal's injury. Later on there was talk of medical records sent from the Chile NT to United etc.
This concern would be the only logical explanation of why we have not made an official bid yet. Di Marzio has insisted that up to this point no bids were made despite what other news outlets have stated and I believe him. Bids do not take that long to be fecking prepared even for Woodward its just a matter of agreeing on the figure and sending a bloody email. Perhaps we have gotten close to bidding at some point but LvG has stated numerous times about how important fitness is for him.
Personally I think that with enough rest and rehab Vidal should be fine. Even at "30-40% " he was quite decent at the WC and should be able to make a full recovery as he has been resting for 5 weeks and is now with Juventus on their tour. Hopefully he can demonstrate that he is capable of playing at a similar level to what we have seen from him in the past 3 years. If that happens I could see us submitting a bid but whether or not at that point Juventus are willing to part with him is another matter.
This concern would be the only logical explanation of why we have not made an official bid yet. Di Marzio has insisted that up to this point no bids were made despite what other news outlets have stated and I believe him. Bids do not take that long to be fecking prepared even for Woodward its just a matter of agreeing on the figure and sending a bloody email. Perhaps we have gotten close to bidding at some point but LvG has stated numerous times about how important fitness is for him.
Personally I think that with enough rest and rehab Vidal should be fine. Even at "30-40% " he was quite decent at the WC and should be able to make a full recovery as he has been resting for 5 weeks and is now with Juventus on their tour. Hopefully he can demonstrate that he is capable of playing at a similar level to what we have seen from him in the past 3 years. If that happens I could see us submitting a bid but whether or not at that point Juventus are willing to part with him is another matter.
Some questions:
(1) Are we still waiting to see how the knee is or did we call the whole thing off when the knee problem became apparent?
(2) Did sportwitness put their take on this up yet?
(3) We're going to have to stay up till stupid o clock watching Juve's pre season games in Oz now aren't we?
(1) Are we still waiting to see how the knee is or did we call the whole thing off when the knee problem became apparent?
(2) Did sportwitness put their take on this up yet?
(3) We're going to have to stay up till stupid o clock watching Juve's pre season games in Oz now aren't we?
Dodgy knee nausing up a transfer? We've had that before and the club were proved right when they pulled out that time. Would be awful to gamble that sort of money, no matter how much I'd love to see him in the shirt.
Any move will obviously be written as to be subject to passing a full medical examination.
The interesting thing to come out of this latest quotes is that the Chilean media was quite spot on about our interest and our knee concerns.
The interesting thing to come out of this latest quotes is that the Chilean media was quite spot on about our interest and our knee concerns.
Maybe I'm being stupid, but why can't we just agree everything and find out the situation with his knee when he has medical? If all is good we sign him, if not then we cancel the deal. I know it's not exactly ideal but it seems a fine solution to me if we do have worries about his knee.
Glad he's finally got round to it. Who'd have thought he'd put Vidal's transfer last on his 'to do' list. Save the best till last and all that I suppose...
Exactly, he can make a medical and if he fails it we wont buy him.
Not sure if passing a medical determines that the knee recovery is absolute. It could be call of judgement based on results.
This proves what most have believed for a while. The English press really have no idea what we're up to. Even the most reliable journos said we had no interest in Vidal.
If it all depends on Vidal demanding the move, he's going to be in a bad situation if he does all the posturing and it turns out we dont want him if his knee isn't worth taking a risk on. I imagine Van Gaal wants to know there's a player 100% to contribute to out team before we put him in a position where we want him to demand a transfer and where we pay the fee.
Exactly and this perfectly timed announcement from Chile coach just after tour finishes.
We are definitely interested and if his knee is a problem then we just don't sign but just standing on the sideline worrying about his knee without our own medical experts looking at it just seems a bit odd to me.
What harm is there having a bid accepted subject to medical. Isn't this how transfers work!?
That's it? Concern over the knee?
Good knees are overrated in football these days. Silly kids.
That haircut alone is worth the money. Sign him up LVG!
Good knees are overrated in football these days. Silly kids.
That haircut alone is worth the money. Sign him up LVG!
'Arturo Vidal and the wobbly knee' - Sounds like a new thread title to me!
I think we might be waiting to see him play in a game or two...probably.
I do agree that the English media are clueless about this but I think most of them did say that it was the club themselves that denied any Vidal links.
They did yea, but that doesn't make them any less clueless. They are fed information by the club and the club wanted them to say there had been no approach. There was clearly interest, but since the club didn't want them to report that, they didn't.
If you read their reports bearing in mind that they are just saying what the club want said, then I suppose some information can be interesting, bearing in mind the bias. I thought the point of journalism was to get to the bottom of the story though. Not to pass on messages.
Well then.
fecking sky Italia. Weren't they saying the opposite just yesterday?
Why that "Juventus__fan" gets any air time on this forum is beyond me.
Yup.
Probably because this thread would have had absolutely nothing to talk about for the past 2 weeks otherwise!
Can you imagine if there was actually something in him leaving but then it came out he was going to Liverpool?
Sky Italia are by far the worst professional news outlet ever, except for maybe the Daily Star.
Well, there is that
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