United are as much of mid table team as Juventus were a Serie B side back in 2005-2006. Its evident that financially and talent wise we are much better then that.
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United are as much of mid table team as Juventus were a Serie B side back in 2005-2006. Its evident that financially and talent wise we are much better then that.
Yup. I'd say they're historically pretty close to us. Currently a stronger side. Don't think United would be seen as a step down though. Not so long as Van Gaal can give a decent pitch about the team he's building.
Yeah, and how many upper bracket players signed for Juve in that time?
I don't watch Serie A, but I did watch Juve in CL and in EL after. That was enough for me to form an opinion.
Nani and Morata are just to show that Juventus is not able to spend big, maybe they'll buy two 30 mil € players after they sell one of Vidal/Pogba, but after that's its back to their stingy ways. In today's football, that's just not enough to compete for CL trophy.
CL finalists Athletico Mardid disagree.
In terms of honours they are actually better then us and they currently got a stronger size. We are much much better in terms of finances, franchise and supporters base though.
If you ask me, I dont see Juventus as a threat for Vidal. Juve will always be Juve. If they sniff a deal they cannot refuse then they will back off and sell even if that means having to push the player out of the door (it did happened). Vidal is reaching the right age to sell so I wont be surprised if he's sold.
What worries me are Real and Barcelona. Real has been trailing the guy for at least 2 years. If they show interest then our chances of getting him are slim.
Was just about to post that.
Such a great player. I hope the club does everything in it's power to try and sign him, he without a doubt should be the #1 priority this summer.
CL finalists Atletico Madrid compete in a league with Real and Barca. Juventus compete's when they play CL. Not enough pressure in that league for them to make the next step.
Did they need to?
In 2006-2007 Juventus stormed the Serie B with quality players like Buffon, Chiellini, Legrottalie, Tudor, Zebina, Camoranesi, Machisio, Nedved, Zanetti, Trezeguet and Del Piero. Many of these players were fresh from winning the WC. That was definitely not a Serie B side
Wait, so Vidal, a player regarded the world over as one of the best in the business, isn't world class because he's a tough tackler and he plays in Serie A and Juve don't make big money signings? However Atletico Madrid are cool, even though their whole squad cost lest than £50m and the play in a league that only contains two other teams?
People might not agree with my assessment that potential signings may see us as a club who might only finish mid table and that's fair enough but your assessment of Vidal isn't even an opinion. You're just wrong.
Juventus hasn't been spending big for at least 2 decades. They are always after shrewd buys and talent they can develop. The big buyers were Inter/Milan and not Juventus.
Its like saying United were always inferior to Shitty or Chelsea because they dont spend as much as them.
No, they didn't and I don't think United would need any major signings to win the championship, either.
My point exactly. It was pretty evident that Juventus were not a Serie B side just as its pretty evident that United are not a mid EPL table level club.
I've already explained that isn't exactly what I meant. I don't consider us a mid table club but potential signings would be right to be worried about where we finished last season and where we might finish this season. It isn't beyond the realms of probability that we could finish mid table again, if the squad isn't improved upon.
Players we need assurances and hence why we need 1-2 top quality signings. VG's signing was a step to the right direction
Yeah but who is the first to bite? One good signing would/could lead to a string of others but we need that first one and all I'm saying is, they need to be brave enough to look past our finish last season and the fact that they won't be playing in Europe for at least one season, whilst ignoring overtures from clubs offering better squads, more money and champions league football.
On one hand it means that we'll probably only attract players who really want to play for United on the other, that could leave us behind in the race for the really big stars.
How did we get here from my initial "Vidal is a world class player and a world class hack" to here..? What I basically said is that I'll be sold on him when I see him playing on top level, which Serie A certainly isn't. I saw him in Europe this season and he didn't stand out from the grey..
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I'm talking about competitiveness, about the pressure, about having to go for 3 points every week because it could cost you the title if you draw. About competing with better then yourself or at least teams that are on par. Juventus won the league with 102 points, Roma was second with 85. They need a team in the league to push them, both physically and mentally.
So when United won all those titles in the 90's and 00's mostly by more than 12-15 points, we weren't really that good and our players weren't proven?
Exactly!
They didn't exactly need to spend big on players when they'd spent big on referees and other Italian league staff.
Yep. Bye. xxx
That's an another issue altogether. Juventus rarely spent big money. There are more of a Manchester United then a Chelsea
Its not that difficult to be honest and we've already started well. We brought in a top quality manager who had won in mainly all the top leagues. I am sure that he's got the contacts needed to attract top quality players here.
So finishing 7th once after finishing 1st or 2nd for the past five years means we are a mid table team? If that's the case then we should class Liverpool a title challenging side after this season.
If they keep hold of Suarez or adequetly replace him, they will be. However as you can see from my posts where I've explained it time and time again, I'm talking about how potential signings might view us, not that I think we're actually a mid table club.
We did win a CL. So far this new Juventus team has to find it feet in the CL.
Out of interest, who do you support?
I usually do this bar when posts are incredibly ridiculous. You tell us in a post how poor is Serie A and then in the next page you admit that you don't watch Serie A but you have created your opinion cause Juve failed to qualify from group stage. It is such incredibly stupid to say it, like saying that United (who finished second on GD in 2011-2012) couldn't qualify from a poor group on UCL an got overplayed (and defeated on both games) by a midtable Spanish club. So United were poor and by default the entire mighty EPL is poor (between City the champions couldn't qualify from the groups too).
It is such a bizarre logic. And somehow (I have yet to realize it how) you draw a conclusion that Vidal doesn't get red cards only because Juve is the best team in the poor league. 2+2=15 at best.
He isn't worth 60m that people believe is the minimum amount for Juve to even consider selling him.
Pogba, who is as good as him and is younger isn't worth 60m.
He's a good player with a great engine. He's a "good"runner and a "good" distributor of the ball, "great" ball winner with good engine, but I agree he's exactly the player we need.
He's very similar to Mousa Dembele in terms of playing style albeit better.
Pogba, who is as good as him and is younger isn't worth 60m.
He's a good player with a great engine. He's a "good"runner and a "good" distributor of the ball, "great" ball winner with good engine, but I agree he's exactly the player we need.
He's very similar to Mousa Dembele in terms of playing style albeit better.
It absolutely would take a figure north of £50m, possibly £60m to get Juve to the table.
Look at other transfer fees lately.
The Fulham player? They're not alike at all.
He plays for Tottenham. I find him similar to Vidal in terms of playing style
It might take more than 60m given that he only signed a 5 year contract this Feb. My point is that he isn't worth that money. Only Hazard, Di Maria and a couple others are worth 60m or more.
Ah yeah, spurs.
I can't see the similarities. Dembele is more like Yaya Toure. Runs in explosive bursts rather than having a genuine midfielders engine and is stronger in physique and dribbling ability than intelligence and passing ability.
Isn't Vidal more of a dribbler than a distributor like him? Whenever I see him I get that impression.
Sky Sports: Juventus and Chile midfielder Arturo Vidal coy over future
Well that's a little glimmer of hope to get the muppet juices flowing I suppose.
Could really do with Real going for Suarez though, in a massive deal which doesn't leave them with enough money for Vidal in the same window. Gives us more of a chance of signing Vidal and we get that horrible piece of work out the league so I don't have to see his stupid face on MOTD every week.
Could really do with Real going for Suarez though, in a massive deal which doesn't leave them with enough money for Vidal in the same window. Gives us more of a chance of signing Vidal and we get that horrible piece of work out the league so I don't have to see his stupid face on MOTD every week.
Not at all.
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