Nope. He turned down Bayern and even has a Juve tatoo.
Arturo Vidal
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Nope. He turned down Bayern and even has a Juve tatoo.
Juventus is walking that league, of course he's not getting red cards.
At the same time they couldn't get out of CL group stage with Galatasaray and Copenhagen in the group. They couldn't score to a 10 man Benfica at their own stadium and lost the away game to them.
That club is mirror image of the league they're playing in. Whatever he does for Juve in Serie A games doesn't say much. He might make the step up this season and we can revisit this topic after he's had a season playing with the big boys.
Not necessarily. Vidal is not quite a requirement at Madrid right now and neither is he the 'big name toy' kind of signing either for them. So I can't see Madrid going 60m+ on Vidal. Just doesn't quite seem like a Madrid signing. Not for that kind of money at least.
Bale wasn't exactly a requirement either but it didn't stop them. They want the best, even if they are well stocked in those positions it doesn't stop them.
Vidal is easily one of the top midfielders in Europe if he leaves Juventus they'll swoop in and get him and he'll reject us every time.
You lot are free to elaborate your views with actual words. If any of you will decide to do so, please keep in mind the context of my post before trying to convince me that Vidal is world class.
Because they have seen him play.
Tbf, a move to Man Utd would most likely be a step down for him. He's been by far and away the best player for Juve and therefore, by extension, Serie A for the last three seasons. Out of those 3 seasons he's won 3 championships. What can we offer him? Mid table in the premier league and no european football? You may not consider him to be world class and it's your right to be that stupid...but he is certainly out of our league.
The only 3 possible reasons I can think of that would make him consider us is the new manger, our illustrious history and fecking shitloads of money.
We're not offering any new signing mid table in the premier league. The only table that matters is 2013/14, which hasn't kicked off.
Repress those memories and hope they never come back to haunt you.
So, talking about stupid, let's go 2 pages back and look at the context:
That's just being pedantic. Any potential signing will be very worried about how we performed/where we finished last season. They'd be crazy not to consider it. That coupled with the fact that we aren't in europe makes us a gamble.
The context makes it even more stupid, in my opinion.
Of course it will be a factor in their thinking. But they know we've sacked the manager who got us into sevent place and replaced him with the bloke with a reputation as one of the best managers around, who just steered an unfancied team to a 5-1 victory over the world champions.
Portraying Manchester United as a "mid table team" is wilfully misleading. I doubt there's a footballer in Europe who would think of us in those terms. Dunno why so many United fans need to be so negative about our status as a club, after one duff season.
I think Vidal will be heavily influence by CL chances next season. He is 27 and his best effort in the CL has been the Q/Fs so far. He has been there and done that in terms of playing for a team fighting to get back into the CL with Juventus.
Our lack of CL football will work against us in trying to signing some players I feel. Still think we are a huge attraction. Especially to younger players who wont take a short term view.
That said we should still try to sign him.
Our lack of CL football will work against us in trying to signing some players I feel. Still think we are a huge attraction. Especially to younger players who wont take a short term view.
That said we should still try to sign him.
Manchester United is undoubtedly a step up and beyond Juve many times over.
No CL is a blip and not the norm.
No CL is a blip and not the norm.
Oh please, Juventus is looking at players like Nani and Morata to strengthen their team for next season. That's all I need to hear.
They can win next 10 Serie A titles but they won't have a sniff at CL semi finals in the next 10 years.
I'm not a United fan, but anyone thinking United is a step down from Juventus needs to have his head checked.
The guy won 3 Serie A titles with Juve, it's time for him to move on and away from Italy if he want's more then that.
Ever since the match fixing scandal Juventus have really fallen down the pecking order. Also they are in a league that has fallen behind the English,Spanish and German.
But given the squad they have you would think with a couple of smart buys they could be CL contenders next season.
It isn't really misleading at all. Do you think LVG is automatically guaranteed a title challenge or a top 4 finish? That's what he has to do to improve on last season. That's what any potential signing will be questioning.
Being realistic doesn't have to equate to being negative, just for the sake of it.
Absolutely and lets not foget they hardly shined in the CL. Internationally United are held in the same esteem as Barca, Bayern, Real one mediocre season does not change that.
Manchester United won 3 CLs, 1 UEFA cups winners cup, 1 intercontinental cup and 1 Uefa super cup. Juventus won 2 CLs, 2 intercontinental cups, 1 UEFA Cups winners cup, 3 UEFA Cups and 2 UEFA Super cups. Manchester United won the league title 20 times as opposed to Juventus who won in 30 times. Juventus has just won the Serie A title. Manchester United ended up 7th.
So how exactly are United a step up? We may (MAY) give him a better salary and have more sponsors then Juventus but I cant see much of a difference. Actually in terms of honours they are better then us.
A lot of people seem to miss these facts for unknown reasons..
You would have a point with this if you werent defending moyes record last year.
Maybe not. However describing Manchester United as a "mid table team" does equate to being negative, just for the sake of it.
No I didn't. I gave up on Moyes long before the season was over. At no point did I defend our final league position under Moyes.
Anyway, even if I thought a seventh place finish was acceptable the point I'm making here is that it would be an exceptional (in a bad way!) result, which wouldn't have any significant or long term effect on the overall status of the club in world football.
Especially when we're talking about a player from Juventus, who were relegated not that long ago! There was never any doubt amongst Italians that they'd be right back up at the top soon enough. I'm sure they'll see our blip as something similar. We'd probably be the closest thing to the "old lady" of English football, as far as Juve fans are concerned.
League Champions, guaranteed Champions league football, almost guaranteed another Serie A title, before a ball is even kicked, compared to a mid table finish, with no europen football and as of right now an uncertain future. We are currently a step down and that is a fact.
To be fair, I think he was more so defending himself against the idiots on here than defending Moyes. And by defending, I mean abusing.
That is true.
Until we finish above 7th, we are a mid table team. Even with the squad as it is now, I'd still fancy us to improve on that, then again, I though that last season, too.
Juventus are forming quite a solid side. They have build a new stadium, they got a good mix of local and foreign talent and seem interested in a number of players including Morata and Sanchez. I fancy their chances of beating us if we had to meet them at the moment.
And if I was you I wouldn't use transfers as a yardstick on how to judge whose the best side. Last summer Juventus brought in the likes of Tevez and Llorente while we brought a long ball merchant with funny hair.
That's crap. Either that or you're being deliberately disingenuous. One of the two. "Mid table team" is a phrase with a very clear meaning. It's used to describe the likes of Everton, Spurs or Villa (until recently anyway!) Clubs that rarely face relgation but won't ever be involved in a title race and hardly ever get CL football. There are equivalents to them in every league. It's not a description earned or lost in a single campaign.
Top clubs and leagues has their ups and downs United and Juventus are no exception. In my opinion United have a weak squad whose playing in a great league while Juventus has a solid side in a weak league. As you said Juventus were in the Serie A few years ago. However since then they invested wisely, they bought their own stadium and had promoted some great youth. I am confident we can do the same.
However If you ask me if I prefer to swap our position to theirs then that would be a no brainer. Also I fancy Juventus chances of beating us if we had to meet them with this present side.
Maybe so but the point is they're both "top clubs" and remains so, despite ups and downs. It wasn't long ago we would have been firm favourites against Juventus but they would still be considered one of the 2 or 3 most prestigious clubs to play for in Serie A.
Yeah, I remember our chat from the middle of the season(after jan) so didnt know you had seen sense
I agree with everything that you have posted there. Barca signed ronaldinho when they were having their blip, Bayern did the same a few years back. We are one of the few clubs who will always have pulling power unless we go down the liverpool route.
WIth regards to vidal though, he has his pick of clubs so depends if he wants to play for us or not. I doubt a season o ut of the CL will affect things that much.
I agree wholeheartedly.
What I hate is this idea that United > Juventus as a top side. Financially and Franchise wise we are. However in football terms and honours they are certainly not. Juventus won the league title 10 times more then us and while they won 'only' 2 CLs they have more European honors then we do. They have also won the title while we lag in 7th place and have a better side then we do. In few words they are currently better then us.
It's neither. I'm not talking about our overall status in regards to our standing in the football world. Everyone knows it's only a matter of time until we come back to our best and back where we belong, however like I keep saying, any potential signing will be looking at what position we are most likely to finish in next season. At the moment, mid table, like last season, isn't exactly unthinkable.
Yeah, I remember our chat from the middle of the season(after jan) so didnt know you had seen sense
I agree with everything that you have posted there. Barca signed ronaldinho when they were having their blip, Bayern did the same a few years back. We are one of the few clubs who will always have pulling power unless we go down the liverpool route.
WIth regards to vidal though, he has his pick of clubs so depends if he wants to play for us or not. I doubt a season o ut of the CL will affect things that much.
I do think the lack of CL football next season is an issue for us. It's not ideal and might put off some potential signings. I think the majority will see the bigger picture though.
Also agree that someone like Vidal will have his pick of clubs. Players like that are never straightforward to sign. Even at our peak, we'd struggle to fend off the likes of Real or Madrid when it came to the best players around. Especially if they had a South American/Mediterranean background.
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