If we set our sights on a target Livers have no chance...its the same thing if Real Madrid sets their sights on a target we have no chance.... thats the reality of the situation so I couldn't care less which players Liverpool targets.
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If we set our sights on a target Livers have no chance...its the same thing if Real Madrid sets their sights on a target we have no chance.... thats the reality of the situation so I couldn't care less which players Liverpool targets.
Don't see why not. Liverpool's money is as good as anyone elses.
I don't think he'll go to Liverpool but I also don't believe we're after him.
Gone very quiet now, reckon early next week when he's back off holiday is gonna be the kicker. if it's still quiet then I'll finally give up on this lol.
This. Money talks, louder than CL places or anything else...
But, and it is a but, for all we know Juve, United (or someone else) and his agent may have all done a deal already, as that is how it probably works, and he will just do the formalities when he returns. I don't have an issue with his holiday. I would be more annoyed if he is not coming with the fact that United/LVG/Juve/Agent/Vidal have not come out and said "Vidal to United is not happening".
He said himself we are one of the options available to him, he's hardly going to lie about it is he?
The thing with fielding two box-to-box midfielders in a midfield 2 is that, regardless of what sort of defenders you have, they will be exposed often every match. Even when we played with Scholes and Keane, we would concede a number of chances against opposition of good quality and leave our defenders exposed against them only for Schmeichel and our defenders to perform heroics or concede 1-2 goals. Such 2-man all-action midfields are great against opposition with poor attacking setups, teams that push everyone high up, or teams that don't look to attack at all. However, such midfields will leave us exposed against opposition teams with good attacks.
If one has to go with a 2-man, all-action midfield, with a 4-man defence setup, then one has to go with a "you score 2, we'll score 3" mentality, which doesn't always work against world class opposition. However, if van Gaal goes with a 3-man-defence setup, then Vidal-Herrera is reasonable given that there's an extra defender protecting them through the middle. However, if van Gaal goes for a 4-man-defence setup, then Vidal won't be the best option, and we'd be better off with someone with more discipline in their game yet able to do the damage at the other end (Schneiderlin, Neustadter, Badelj, Kramer, etc.).
That should give us some goodwill in the bank.
Apparently it just pissed them off further.
Weird.
Just my opinion and I may be totally wrong here, but we probably asked about him and for whatever reason are not anymore. Would love to get him though.
We were once on holiday and met a Danish couple who lived in France. I think it was around the time Poulsen moved to Evian. Anyway, the bloke attempted to tell me a joke, in a mix of French and English, about Poulsen that was, as best as I could tell, a play on the religious meaning of Christian and 'poulet' the French word for chicken. That was as far as I got as he broke down three or four times before leaving the table he was laughing so much. Does anyone know the joke, presuming it's not something he made up on the spot? Or was he just a mental?
i agree. we let known our interest and juve wanted too much. Id say strootman in january will be instead. Youd never know if they sort out the price it could go ahead
People going about Strootman in January like that's meant to be...
Indeed. I was only responding to this idea that everything has gone into stasis for the duration of this holiday. Either things are progressing at the usual pace behind the scenes or it's never going to happen anyway. I just think it's absurd to think that him going on holiday means all the key players are having to sit on their hands until he's cleared customs in Turin.
And this is related to Vidal, how?
If you can't see that then you'll never understand the brilliant joke.And this is related to Vidal, how?
Unlikely given Wooward's comments, not? Especially since the sums in the media weren't that outrageous.
Vidal being linked to Liverpool sounds like his agent of Juve putting some rumours out for leverage. No chance he'd join that load of dump.
I agree with everything in your post but the fact we were getting a pasting from the likes of Liverpool, City etc last year was due to us having no threat going forward (having stats like one shot on target in 90 mins at Old Trafford said it all) add a combination of two midfielders who could barely pass, defend, assist or score and some calamitous defending, shocking managerial decisions - is why we finished a deserved 7th.
However Vidal is defensively sound and Herrera likes to get stuck in although a bit too Scholes like with his tackles.
I think they would both be more than good enough against the weaker teams defensively especially in front of a back three but yes we would be more at risk against stronger opposition especially on the counter attack. On the flip side our general ability and command of the ball would be so much greater and we would create chances for fun. I don't rate City, Chelsea or Liverpool's defense as rock solid they also have flaws, it was their collective ability going forward and keeping possession with an end product that made them title challenges and winners. We were crap all over the park except for De Gea.
I have only really watched two of the four you mention and I do like Schneiderlin a lot but if indeed we are not in for Vidal and Van Gaal is looking for more of a disciplined midfielder than I would rather we go all out for Strootman who could be back playing by October.
Perhaps he was trying to say he was no spring chicken and couldn't reveal his source
I dont get why in the interest of getting deals concluded rapidly (like how PSG and Madrid get them done) we just dont offer Juve €50M for Vidal and offer Real €50M for Di Maria.... if we haven't done that already. Throw their agents a few million as well so that we dont miss out on those players like how we missed out on Hazard.
Money talks.
Yeah I don't get that either. Woodward acting Billy big bollocks over having no limit for soending then trying to get the cheapest deal possible (and therefore missing out on our targets) doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
If the clubs want x amount and we're not short for cash then just fecking do it. Had enough of us pissing about with supposed transfers and then not getting anyone.
You two would be great CEO's.
Nah, don't think it's anything to do with money. More like Van Gaal wants someone else like Strootman.
So lets say you offer 50 million and Juventus say they want 55. You say fine, have 55 we don't want the money anyway. Juventus say they want 60 now.
What happens then?
Or ask them how much they want for Vidal and agree if the amount is reasonable, if not then move onto the next target on this 'list'.
Pissing about with targets doesn't do our pre season any good at all.
I don't personally think Vidal minds but Liverpool can offer him Champions League football...
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Plus a box of Kleenex and some WD-40.
And every target does the same. Squeezing you for every bit of extra cash they can get.
These deals take weeks and weeks to finalise. Release clauses aside you don't just stroll in and dump a sack of notes on the table.
I miss teletext
Juve clearly wants to do business and Vidal doesnt seem opposed to going.
Juve is not averse to selling their stars (Baggio, Zidane) if the price is right.
If Juve arent acting unprofessionally and keep upping the price (we just sold them Evra so its clear business relations between the clubs arent bad), then we conclude our interest in the player like we did with Cesc and Kroos and move on but I dont feel as if thats the case.
This seems like its done but there is some sort of waiting game going on, I believe the conclusion to the story will be the same and its a matter of time.
Honestly don't know where to stand with this anymore.
What's the general consensus caftards? We signing him, yes or no?
What's the general consensus caftards? We signing him, yes or no?
Absolutely yes.
I think this is like Sneidjer in the sense that if we don't get him then its done for forever. We won't be back in for him next time. We will just go for Strootman in 12 months.
I actually don't see this happening now. With van Gaal choosing to implement three at the back we need two more centre-backs and a left-back, our remaining transfer funds will be spent on Vermaelen, de Vrij and Blind.
Exactly, he can do everything that Strootman can, just on a higher level,but some people also want Khedira as number 6. Vidal is great at defending, he was a number 6 and a defender in his career, some here completely underrating his abilities in this area. Vidal-Herrera would be fine and a far better combo when it comes to defending than Keane-Scholes.
We can easily sign another player for a bigger fee. Those players could come anyway, no one of them will be really expensive. Van Gaal will sign a midfielder, no doubt about that.
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