Andy Mitten though had said there was contact??
Arturo Vidal
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Andy Mitten though had said there was contact??
English media have been briefed by us, its more to do with if we cant sign him, we can always say it was paper nonsense. Italian media on other hand are briefed by juve and Vidal's agent. They may actually want to sell vidal for huge price as juve are in red, This is why there is so much confusion.
The truth lies somewhere in between, we may have asked for him, juve must have said not for sale. Lvg might have said, he wants to evaluate before he gets anyone new, so he is doing that. Atleast we have signed two players and a very good manager. Our forward line is consisting of Rooney/Rvp/hernandez all of whom are capable of 20 goals. We have added to the midfield and will add further to it, we will also buy a defender. it all depends what LVG wants.
He refused riquelme at barcelona and Nuer at bayern.I dont think we want something like that happening again. So we will go by his orders. If he wants to wait, we can wait. No club is going to sign vidal in a day, Liverpool cant match the wages paid by juve let alone by us. They cant even offer 80 k to remy. We could probably have given him Van persie/ rooney style wages. We also can gazump them in any fee. I wont worry till we return from the tour, by then most players will be assesed. Our start probably makes it easy to buy players even on 31 august.
The truth lies somewhere in between, we may have asked for him, juve must have said not for sale. Lvg might have said, he wants to evaluate before he gets anyone new, so he is doing that. Atleast we have signed two players and a very good manager. Our forward line is consisting of Rooney/Rvp/hernandez all of whom are capable of 20 goals. We have added to the midfield and will add further to it, we will also buy a defender. it all depends what LVG wants.
He refused riquelme at barcelona and Nuer at bayern.I dont think we want something like that happening again. So we will go by his orders. If he wants to wait, we can wait. No club is going to sign vidal in a day, Liverpool cant match the wages paid by juve let alone by us. They cant even offer 80 k to remy. We could probably have given him Van persie/ rooney style wages. We also can gazump them in any fee. I wont worry till we return from the tour, by then most players will be assesed. Our start probably makes it easy to buy players even on 31 august.
The club seem not to be telling anybody anything, which in my opinion is the right way to go.
People seem to want to believe the UK journalists when there's every chance that they know nothing either. They will though, as ever, want to suggest that they have inside knowledge and are being fed information by the club. And it's not a big risk to say "no contact made" - hardly putting your neck on the block there - if it happens they'll just jump on the story then.
Whether this deal happens or not, I obviously don't know but I see no reason why the club would brief journalists on what was happening. There's no reason for any deal to be done in the glare of the press, not least because it pisses off the selling club who are suddenly seen as cash rich and in need of a replacement.
Perhaps the club aren't interested. Maybe they are concerned about injuries or have other targets but regardless, everything is being done behind the scenes and on the quiet. They don't have to tell the media anything and it seems they have decided on that route.
so the British press won't change their line and everyone in here gives up!Exactly the same happened before and yet more stories keep coming our of Chile that we've agreed terms with the player and out of Italy that we are close to a fee now.
We it's want some semblance of surprise when the club make the big announcement.
Yeah. I watched that interview the other night where he came across well but can't help feeling he is somewhat prone to bombast. Obviously it doesn't matter what reputation or price tag signings have if they ultimately make us successful, but you can't keep talking about the club in the terms he does and not have a top class squad, or be willing to sign top tier players.
Hopefully we'll get one or two to kick us on but De Vrij, Blind and Vermaelen are all firmly in the second tier of players (in De Vrij's case possibly at the moment, in Vermaelen's case, at best). Hummels is the only world class player of the lot linked and we don't stand a hope of getting him. And of the top midfielders in the world, how many are gettable? To my mind Vidal is the best you can get by a distance.
As a newbie posted;
Is that the same ogden who say this
Until Andy Mitten changes his tone and says something else, the english media is having one big guessing game
I wouldn't take journo's at their words. Half the time they haven't got a clue. Let's just wait and see!
Exactly. The Journo's only know what they get briefed. Ogden used to be fed info, now he isn't. Ladyman doesn't even know what day it is, let alone what transfers are going on.
Exactly the same happened before and yet more stories keep coming our of Chile that we've agreed terms with the player and out of Italy that we are close to a fee now.
We it's want some semblance of surprise when the club make the big announcement.
I haven't given up. I trust you Pexbo, and I'm confident that we've sealed the deal and just waiting for him to come and sign the contract, and then we'll announce the transfer.
Just know that I'll feck you up if you're wrong about this.
Depressing but makes sense. This could end ugly and our season might as well if we stop investing in players now. But let's wait and see
I've given up. These saga's are just tedious. If it happens then that's awesome, if it doesn't then I hope we get someone else.
If this gets done somehow and I'm at work I'll go to a canteen and drink a bottle of whiskey or sthing. Sure it will affect my work and my bosss will maybe notice my strange behaviour but fe.k it.
He did. He also rowed back from that quite a bit a day or two later. Obviously that could be down to him being asked to say nothing about it, or being worried that he's been led by the nose by his source, or even just having had his original story corrected by someone he trusts, but the last time he spoke about Vidal it was considerably watered down, IMO.
Just lock the thread until Vidal is back off holiday. Until any further big news breaks it's just going round in circles. I fear for some muppets lives 
"I get pointed in the direction of a target that the manager wants and there is an assessment of what that might cost and I'll negotiate hard to do the best I can on the trade."
I point you all to this, which Woodward said last night.
Incredibly we find ourselves in a position where we are the only ones in for him and he wants to come to us.
So Woodwards hand on the negotiation table is strong and he's going to do everything he can to force this through at a price United want to pay.
If he briefed the British media that we are indeed in for him, it would blow up all over the place that he's our main target, United are definitely in for him and it would become difficult for us to bargain with a club that knows that anything other than United getting his signature would be hugely embarrassing again.
As things are, we play it down, he makes sure the press cool talks of us being in for him and we continue to play hard ball with Juventus.
I point you all to this, which Woodward said last night.
Incredibly we find ourselves in a position where we are the only ones in for him and he wants to come to us.
So Woodwards hand on the negotiation table is strong and he's going to do everything he can to force this through at a price United want to pay.
If he briefed the British media that we are indeed in for him, it would blow up all over the place that he's our main target, United are definitely in for him and it would become difficult for us to bargain with a club that knows that anything other than United getting his signature would be hugely embarrassing again.
As things are, we play it down, he makes sure the press cool talks of us being in for him and we continue to play hard ball with Juventus.
Pretty certain that if Woodward came and gave me one suitcase full of £55m and one of £10m, a suit and some cool sunglasses I could fly out to Italy and have this sorry mess cleared up in time for a pizza in front of the Italian riviera sunset.
I hope all this delaying isn't over him trying to get a better deal, because that's when someone's gonna swoop in and nick him. If we're talking around the rumored mark then they should know he's going to bring that back in with things like shirt sales and success on the pitch.
I hope all this delaying isn't over him trying to get a better deal, because that's when someone's gonna swoop in and nick him. If we're talking around the rumored mark then they should know he's going to bring that back in with things like shirt sales and success on the pitch.
So you think you could wrap this deal up for £65m?
That's remarkable. You must be an incredible negotiator.
No, the £10m was for me.
I'm pretty bloody charming.
I would rather say "to hell with the assessment" regarding those who need no further introduction, and let's focus on 1) playing the youngsters in the tour and 2) get our signings in quickly so they can start working with the team to get that chemistry building up now. Fielding the players who are to be flogged (Fellaini. Young, Nani, Cleverley, Anderson) is a waste of time after everything they have shown.
Dear... Refusing Riquelme and Neuer are 2 major mistakes when everyone knows what kind of top class players those two are, especially Neuer.
LVG may be the hunter who goes hunting an elephant, but he's not going out there without extra ammo. With that being said, Louis would be foolish to refuse an extra "heavy caliber cartridge" (to use my hunting analogy) before going into the wild. If Louis wants us to trust him, perhaps he should also trust to the people who are working hard to land Vidal and other "heavy caliber cartridges" ASAP if any.Anyway, it's one of those days when I wish the transfer window would be closed before we even hit August. A big part of pre-season is meaningless if you can't get your new guys on to get that chemistry going before the first game of the season.
Why can't we have media machines helping us just as Juventus, Bayern, Real and Barcelona have their own?
Liverpool interest wouldn't be a major shock. They have the money with Suarez sold and the CL money. They also need to replace Gerrard soon.
The Liverpool interest is the papers tying to create a united vs Liverpool element to this. People reading the stories and making comments is what they want, so what better way to do that by bringing Liverpool into this.
Wages are more likely to be a problem than transfer fees.
I don't see it being an issue at all if they use the money they've got off Suarez.
Took the words out of my mouth, this thread should be locked until at least someone credible states what's going on.Just lock the thread until Vidal is back off holiday. Until any further big news breaks it's just going round in circles. I fear for some muppets lives
As the BS rumours will continue and I think it's safe to say we aren't in for Vidal.
No one has a clue whats going on. And I like it that way. Everybody is just talking crap, don't pay too much attention to it.
No transfer thread should be locked because it's the opinion of some posters that it's unlikely it's going to happen. What a ridiculous suggestion.
I'm actually starting to believe that our journalists know more than we are giving them credit for tbh. Too many are just simply calling it a non-starter, or that we haven't made contact etc, but then in the next sentence name people that are apparently on our radar?
I am still optimistic that it will happen but I am not getting emotionally invested in this transfer. Hope for the best but expect the worst... Anyway, I think United aren't denying interest in Vidal as they do not want it to set a precedent to other transfer dealings in the future. Imagine if United come out and say they are not interested in Vidal and in the future we are linked with Player X. If we are quizzed on our interest in player X and we refuse to come out and deny it, it implicitly means we are interested in player X.
Given last season's debacle where we were so transparent with our transfer dealings, it only makes sense that we are keeping the English media in the dark, making it seem as though we have made no contact when negotiations could actually be of a private and secretive nature. Most of the English media seemed to think that we weren't interested in Herrera's transfer either and only the Spanish sources were in on it. Woodward's reputation has been tarnished by last season's summer transfer window and he will be itching to set things right. Any man in his shoes would have been conservative in the recent interviews from the past season's experience but the fact that he was so ambitious and rather full of grandiose suggests that he probably has a few high-profile signings close to signing for us. If we fail this season and if our transfer dealings are the prime reason for it, you could potentially see Woodward losing his job. So you can guarantee he is not going to take this window lightly or be full of words just to appease us.
My only concern is LVG's nature of being averse to making bombastic and high profile signings. Any experienced coach isn't going to raise expectations and get mired in transfer speculation which could explain LVG's stance of 'lets wait and see, still assessing the squad for now'. I for the life of me, can't see how we can go into the season with only 3 senior and injury prone central defenders, 2 full backs with zero proper cover and a midfield consisting of Fellaini, Anderson, Cleverley, Fletcher, Herrera and Carrick(long-term injury as well). So well it doesn't make sense logically even while taking LVG's stubborn nature into account. We will probably buy another 2 or 3 players, it only remains to be seen whether it is the likes of Vermaelan, Blind and De Jong or Hummels, Ricardo Rodriguez and Vidal. Given Woodward's past few interviews I would probably hazard a guess at one or two high profile signings.
Given last season's debacle where we were so transparent with our transfer dealings, it only makes sense that we are keeping the English media in the dark, making it seem as though we have made no contact when negotiations could actually be of a private and secretive nature. Most of the English media seemed to think that we weren't interested in Herrera's transfer either and only the Spanish sources were in on it. Woodward's reputation has been tarnished by last season's summer transfer window and he will be itching to set things right. Any man in his shoes would have been conservative in the recent interviews from the past season's experience but the fact that he was so ambitious and rather full of grandiose suggests that he probably has a few high-profile signings close to signing for us. If we fail this season and if our transfer dealings are the prime reason for it, you could potentially see Woodward losing his job. So you can guarantee he is not going to take this window lightly or be full of words just to appease us.
My only concern is LVG's nature of being averse to making bombastic and high profile signings. Any experienced coach isn't going to raise expectations and get mired in transfer speculation which could explain LVG's stance of 'lets wait and see, still assessing the squad for now'. I for the life of me, can't see how we can go into the season with only 3 senior and injury prone central defenders, 2 full backs with zero proper cover and a midfield consisting of Fellaini, Anderson, Cleverley, Fletcher, Herrera and Carrick(long-term injury as well). So well it doesn't make sense logically even while taking LVG's stubborn nature into account. We will probably buy another 2 or 3 players, it only remains to be seen whether it is the likes of Vermaelan, Blind and De Jong or Hummels, Ricardo Rodriguez and Vidal. Given Woodward's past few interviews I would probably hazard a guess at one or two high profile signings.
Of course it's an issue. They won't be using that money to funnel through monster wages, that's for certain. Liverpool will never play at the top table in their financial state. They can afford to do it once, but as soon as the precedent is set then they'll run into problems. We can afford the wages, as can Chelsea, City and others. There's a reason Liverpool are in for Remy and Lambert.
Aye, you are right about that mate. Liverfool could give Vidal 300k a week and lay out 45m to get him and still be under what they sold Suarez for. Obviously though the issue comes down the line when other stars looking in start wanting the same sort of deal.
That's it. It must be irritating as a Liverpool supporter but I think that's the reality. We're paying our lads incredible wages. Some of them get far too much given their actual contribution, to be honest. But we do it nonetheless.
I can't see FFP doing anything other than consolidating the elite now, on another note. Lucky us!
£300k a week for how long?
If they got the £75m figure they claim to get (which I don't believe is true, certainly not in a lump sum and certainly not without a portion of it being incentive based) then with a £45m outlay they'd be able to afford to offer Vidal a 2 year contract on those wages.
What they couldn't afford is their top stars to realise they are on barely a 1/3 of what he is getting and requesting parity.
We in the other hand, can.
Actually that's bollocks (my last post). Ignore that mate.
300k a week would swallow the Suarez deal if taken over any length of time.
I agree fully. He's kind of put it on the line with that interview, and put himself in a position where I don't think any supporter would give him another chance if we don't come out of this window with one or two big signings. He didn't need to mention the "monitoring social media" etc, but by doing so he's backed into a corner.
There is absolutely nothing to this. No-one at United has even hinted at us being in for him.
Can't go by what Andy Mitten says, he's just a supporter like us. Lock the thread I say, there's no point in it whatsoever. May as well have an Iniesta and Modric thread if we're gonna keep this open as we've got as much chance as signing those two as Vidal as things stand i.e. ZERO.
And I was a muppet but now I'm just bored with it all.
Can't go by what Andy Mitten says, he's just a supporter like us. Lock the thread I say, there's no point in it whatsoever. May as well have an Iniesta and Modric thread if we're gonna keep this open as we've got as much chance as signing those two as Vidal as things stand i.e. ZERO.
And I was a muppet but now I'm just bored with it all.
'The place for all transfer spaculation and discussion'
That's the header on this forum, and it's what is going on in this thread. Why lock it?
Surely it would be better if the people that it annoys simply don't enter the thread, and leave the speculation to the die hards?
Yes you're right, apologies. I am just having Vidal related depression.
He's going to come, isn't he? All over us?
Nah man, Ian Ladyman said it's not happening. Better shut it down now, Ian has spoken.
Would anyone see the funny side if he went to Liverpool now after all this?
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