We'll just paint it instead so we can always wash it off should some shit Journalist write a nonsense article about him not coming here again.
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We'll just paint it instead so we can always wash it off should some shit Journalist write a nonsense article about him not coming here again.
I understand all that. A lot of variables meaning a very broad range. However, like I said, it is possible to identify something that is detached from market value. Or maybe even that is subjective, maybe some people look at what we paid for Fellaini and say, "hhhhm, his club didnt want to sell, the buying club was rich and desperate, he is reasonably young... therefore, actually that price is reasonable." I suspect most people would be able to say, there is no way he is worth that, we were ripped off. If you can say we were ripped off, the idea of fair value is implicit.
I think the thing is, with a lot of things fair value is a price, with this, given the number of variables as you said, it isnt a price, its more of a range. Anything between X and Y is fair for this player. But outside that you are either getting as ridiculously good deal or an equally bad one. As in the case of Fellaini, Carroll or numerous others.
You have to love a player with such self-belief. What other player would think he could sell that to a referee?
How much are United actually willing to pay for him? Would they pay a big fee Juventus want? £45m? £55m?
We won't know. Van Gaal clearly rates Vidal and Woodward going by his interview isn't afraid spending big to get the best.
I have it on absolutely no authority at all that we would be willing to go up to £48m but not a penny above.
Arsne's in there, £48,000,001.00
What a clown, he overspent by 99p.
To be fair, I think he actually boots the turf hard, probably felt like he was clattered.
Yeah, but Arsenal are wealthy, they don't want small change floating about.
They showed the slow-motion replay of it that night. It looked like his heel was very lightly clipped, which sent his stride all over the place, and he ends up twatting the turf. A little similar to that Fernando Torres one from 2010 against Chile, where he got a little clip on the heel and it looks like he ended up assaulting himself.
Heel taps are deadly, and often hilarious.
Yes but you are talking about judging a player on an individual basis and working out whether he was good value for the deal, that's not the same as market value.
What Im saying is what I said earlier: I agree it is very hard to pin down exactly what a market value is, but you can see what it isnt. And if you can see what it isnt, it must exist, regardless of how hard it is to pin down, due to all the variables.
Because their ambition should be higher than winning Serie A. Besides with Roma significantly strengthening this Summer I don't think Juventus will have it easy, especially with a new manager who isn't exactly known for winning even if he has managed one title with Milan.
Ahh right, I remember the fall, but I couldn't remember that much, might have been watching a different match.
To be fair, he gets knicked by the other player, so arguably a foul (which would mean penalty). But the way Vidal went down was pretty melodramatic.
I trust Patrice has been given a brief on what to do as his last act as a United player when he gets to Turin. He'll grease the wheels for ut, bank on it.
The best players are going for over £50m and upwards now. Until Woodward actually delivers a player like that what he says in interviews isn't much to go by. Yes Mata cost £37m and is a promising sign but it's still some way off what other clubs have paid for tier 1 targets. Fingers crossed we are willing to push the boat out to these numbers as players like Vidal and Di Maria will not come for less.
They don't have a good enough team to win the CL and they don't have the finances to improve enough to win it, so Serie A and perhaps a cup is the best they can hope for imo. Roma may give them a challenge, yes, but the're still quite far off Juventus in terms of talent imo and I fancy Juve to win again whether they sell Vidal or not.
If Vidal indeed does leave, Roma look just as strong as Juventus, if not more so. I fully expect Roma to challenge for the Scudetto this season and it wouldn't surprise me if they go further in the Champions League than their Turin counterparts.
Using a Red Dwarf reference in the Vidal thread makes you officially a fine man.
So James is done and we haven't signed him yet, that worries me a little. I still have the feeling, Real will come and hijack the deal. We are just too slow. When did our negotiation tactic ever help us? In the last few years we didn't get the player or we paid still a huge fee to get him. We paid the release clause for Herrera and got him a year too late. We overpaid for Shaw, Matas fee was immense, the cheeky bids for everton were just laughable, etc...
If the player wants to us like van Persie or no one else is interested it's ok and we still get him, but when another team arrives we will miss out again, so I hope we will do it in the next few days. And yeah I know other huge transfers need their time too, but still other teams have slow transfers and pretty fast transfers, for us everything seems to going slow. Just look how Real or Barca signed their players for 80 million euros.
If the player wants to us like van Persie or no one else is interested it's ok and we still get him, but when another team arrives we will miss out again, so I hope we will do it in the next few days. And yeah I know other huge transfers need their time too, but still other teams have slow transfers and pretty fast transfers, for us everything seems to going slow. Just look how Real or Barca signed their players for 80 million euros.
The Vidal stories won't die in Italy and Chile. Woodward can talk the talk but it's about time he put his words into action on the transfer front.
Yes. It's seems years ago now that we signed Shaw and Herrera. Hat a week that was, now just tabloid rubbish. Hoping for another week like that.
Doesn't help with players getting transfers here, there and everywhere. Really hope we strengthen soon
Woodward does need to deliver all his talk is useless until he does. But agree it's promising because we've not dithered over prices for Mata, Herrera or Shaw I don't think Gill or Sir Alex would have payed the money.
Woodward knows the benefits of signing big names so here's hoping.
Is that the Egyptian match youtube clip of a guy falling over his own foot whilst throwing some feints as he went to take a pen?
Embarrassingly funny.
I just watched that one. Very funny and he got booked.I was thinking this one:
Gotta love a bit of Dwarf.
Very pessimistic view.
Arguably, James was wrapped up quickly because Monaco knew they were getting silly money, so didn't feel need to haggle.
You imply we're slow in the transfer market, yet we seemed to wrap up Shaw and (especially) Herrera with minimal fuss.
Was Mata really that expensive? Look at some of the other transfer fees floating around.
You suggest we struggle to sign players if other clubs become involved, but we signed RvP ahead of City and Juve.
I was in a dreadful mood most of last summer, but with LvG at the helm, I've got nothing but confidence. It's clear we're no longer briefing the media, whereas it was open season a year ago.
I've no doubt we will wrap up at least another couple of signings well before the end of the window.
Would rather this saga that : "United are confident of etc." BS we were served last year. I'm very confident about Vidal coming in, a lot less about Hummels though.
Why is everyone under the impression it is just one signing at a time. How many times have we announced multiple signings at the same time to disprove this notion?
When have we announced multiple big signings at the same time? Never apart from Nani and Anderson one of whom had a release clause anyway. When you are talking about complex deals involving huge sums of money then they tend to take up a lot of the time of the people working behind the scenes to make it happen. We spent the majority of last summer chasing Fabregas and look where it left us.
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Can't agree with minimal fuss? Shaw was a long enough saga, we were already interested under Moyes and we paid too much for him and that was the reason why no one else was interested. Herrera begun already last summer, where we tried to negotiate with Bilbao, which was not really clever. Mata was ok for me, but Mourinho want to get rid of him and he wasn't a starter for him, so the fee was not low at all, both sides were happy after the signing.
I mentioned van Persie as exception, because he just want to join us, but everytime we have to fight against other clubs, our tactics give us the disadvantage. And those tactics never proved to be good anyways, so I just hope we don't do it again, our only bargain in the last seasons was Kagawa, for every other player we paid more than enough. So I just hope we don't try to get Vidal a little bit cheaper and just pay the remaining millions to finish the deal quicker, otherwise I can see another club like Real, who have now time for another signing, entering and beating us again and that would be much worse than paying 50 million instead of 43 million euros.
With LvG I am also much more confident, but I still think our approach is sometimes just too complicated if you look how easy other big clubs sign their players, we are Manchester United ffs
Can you still see the thread on there? It comes up that it has been moved for me and I don't have permission to view it.
I think they added a minimum post count to view it, so new members/Caftards can't see it.
Come back cleverly everything is forgiven?
Shame. I was enjoying my cross forum conversationsI think they added a minimum post count to view it, so new members/Caftards can't see it.
Can't argue with that.
Yes.
Spot on.
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