He'd still return to Italy I think. He said he will get back and discuss his future with Juve then. So I'm guessing he won't delay it any longer. At least, I hope so.
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He'd still return to Italy I think. He said he will get back and discuss his future with Juve then. So I'm guessing he won't delay it any longer. At least, I hope so.
I hope so. It's slowed down a little and it's just rehashing old news from different sources.
Seemingly, yes. Hopefully, not.
By this time next week it will be nearly August
I don't think that the club envisioned our transfer business to be stretching this late. Let's hope we get the players we are after.
If we had signed him two weeks ago it made no difference as he is still on holiday.
What are you basing that assumption on?
Even if he is on a holiday, ideally the club would have wanted to sign him as early as possible and then move on to the other targets. The club may be comfortable with the situation at the moment, certainly looking at Woodward's interview gave that feeling, but entering the final month of the window with plenty of our business still unfinished is not what I had expected when the season ended.
I know this, but there is a similar situation at Juventus, they need to sell to bring in the players they want. Though the situations are not exactly the same, the selling club will still have to let him go if they want to keep adding to their team. Our need for a cm will bring the price up a bit, but it should ultimately still not reach the highs of £50m, cms just don't reach those highs with Zidane and Kaka probably being the only exceptions and it's worth pointing out that they played higher up the field and contributed more in terms of goals and assists. I don't think it would be fair to compare Vidal to either of them in terms of quality either. I think anything more than £40m is pushing it tbh. If Nani was to be part of the deal (which would honestly shock me), the fee would definitely be smaller, somewhere between £30-40m.
But they could put Vidal up for sale and Real Madrid won't budge at a £40m fee, neither will some other big clubs. They have a stroger position here because at this point they don't need our money that much (they've spent less than £25m and recouped some of the money already I think), we need their player far more. £40m isn't a bad fee. £40m plus Nani is still fine as we'll save £4m or so in wages with Nani departing and he isn't worth much.'
Central midfielders don't cost that much simply because they don't often move around in their prime. The likes of Schweinsteiger, Iniesta and Xavi were all worth more than that in their prime but they all stayed at their clubs.
I didn't say you'd get them for £50m, I said they attract the biggest bids. Juventus need to sell to buy the players they want, so the comparison isn't as ludicrous as it appears, both clubs were/are in positions where selling made sense. I can't agree with you that he's the best midfielder in the world, that's simply not true.
I know its the trend in transfer fees by why should it make any difference that he doesn't play as far up as those mentioned?
We are in desperate need of quality in midfield and Vidal is the best in the world right now, his signing would take us up to another level, if he makes us one of the best in the world again can you honestly argue he wouldn't have been worth it?
But you're working under assumption that they want to buy players more than they want to keep Vidal. Realistically £40m they could receive in cash for Vidal won't get them all that much in the transfer market - two good players, maybe three decent players tops. Is it worth it selling your best footballer to fund two or three targets that might be hit or miss?
I am going to see what they're saying at the Juve forum.
Which is ?
Juventuz.org English speaking and probably as active and big as redcafe.
Very good point; Scholes, Pirlo, Gerrard too.
Just registered and had a look. Bunch of fannies over there by the looks of things and not an Italian in sight
Can't view the Vidal thread though - says I don't have permission.
I haven't seen anything to suggest that clubs like Madrid are interested in Vidal though. Vidal mentioned that he heard rumours of Madrid, but I had heard nothing of their interest before this. They'll be completely abusing their financial power if they sign Vidal in the same season they bought Kroos and Rodriguez. That being said, I'd probably accept £40m + Nani, it's moreso the people trying to say he's worth £50m+ which I don't believe he is. Your point on top cms not wishing to move in their primes is a good one and if players like Iniesta had moved in their prime, it probably would have been for north of £70m. Still, Iniesta, like Zidane and Kaka was a more attacking cm and they do tend to attract more. Even at his prime, I'd have been surprised if Schweinsteiger sold for too much more than £40m and he's the most similar to Vidal out of the players you've mentioned. I don't think Vidal will ever do enough to justify £50m, for that, a player really should be able to make a massive difference in terms of goals and assist output and while he'll probably improve us in that respect, I'd expect the numbers to be at most around 15 goals and 15 assists per season. I want Vidal, but just over £40m would definitely be the maximum for me, £50m+ is far too expensive as far as I'm concerned.
We'll break the Berbatov record.
We'll break the Berbatov record.
Reckon we'd have to break the Mata record in order to sign him tho
Shh, leave it in case we don't sign him ( we will though ! ). Then we can quote it and call him a flop.
I think it's a complete rejection of his own gaffe. He kicked the ground and from the shame of it all claimed a pen. I haven't known him to dive before though. (Cue Youtube video compilation of dives (maybe))
Well, honestly, I think those who command massive fees do so because of the number of goals and assists they get each season, while a player like Vidal does a fantastic job in cm and does get both goals and assists, while offering an engine also, he's not a guy that could potentially get you 30 goals or 20 assists per season, which is what I believe most clubs look at when they pay these fees. I'd be willing to buy him for £40m max, but after that, I'm not sure he would justify such a high fee.
From all reports we are paying around £40 for Vidal, which is par for the course IMO.
Yeah, I agree. I posted it just for fun, as I happened to stumble across it.
ffs hilarious, Young will have some serious competition if he signs and more worryingly if we keep Young!
It depends how many positions they feel they need to improve. Tbf, even if they sell Vidal, you'd still consider them the favourite to win the Serie A, I would anyway. If they think they can win the league and save some money in the meantime, why not?
thats like the guy who tripped himself when taking the penalty
Is that the Egyptian match youtube clip of a guy falling over his own foot whilst throwing some feints as he went to take a pen
?Embarrassingly funny.
I'm raising this to a Cafcon level 2 alert. Stand by your tissues men.
But again should it matter what the market trend would suggest a players worth is based on goals and assists? He's far more valuable to us than a goal scorer is, therefore his value should reflect that?
There is no such thing whatsoever as "market level" for any transfer. It just doesn't exist and never has.
There are too many variables in a transfer to make it a quantifiable, scalable and compatible science.
Not sure I completely agree with that. Its one of those things, very hard to say what a market level is, but you can definitely see when it isnt.
You look at what we paid for Fellaini or what Liverpool paid for Carroll. Those were outliers. But the very fact they were so detached from reality, by definition implies there is some kind of reality to be detached from. Ergo, there is some kind of market rate, even if it is a very broad and inexact thing.
You look at what we paid for Fellaini or what Liverpool paid for Carroll. Those were outliers. But the very fact they were so detached from reality, by definition implies there is some kind of reality to be detached from. Ergo, there is some kind of market rate, even if it is a very broad and inexact thing.
It shows it is hard to get rid of shit off the back of your shoe
Are you sure sir? It does mean changing the bulb!
I think signing Vidal would not only increase our ability on the pitch, but would be a massive pull for other potential targets.
It would increase our prestige a bit. And I don't want to hear this shit about "We're the most prestigious club in the world."
It would increase our prestige a bit. And I don't want to hear this shit about "We're the most prestigious club in the world."
He kicked the ground which is why he fell but I think he was claiming the penalty because he felt he was pushed whilst going through the Madrid players.
Compare any transfer one to one and you won't find a correlation there are too many factors which can tip it either way.
Does the club want to sell?
How rich is the selling club?
How much does the buying club want to buy him?
How many people are bidding for him?
How long is left on his contract?
Whats his commercial value?
How old is he?
How much does the player want to leave?
What league is the player coming from?
Whal league is the player going to?
Every single one of these factors can swing a deal by a considerable amount so with that in mind, how can there be such a thing as a "market value" for a commodity that is itself so unique?
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