Arturo Vidal

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Real could realiastically line up like this next season:
Casillas
Carvajal Ramos Varane Marcelo
Vidal Modric
Di Maria
Bale. Aguero. Ronaldo

That is fecking a scarily good team.
 
I think if Ancellotti really wants him, this 2 formations would be pretty good:


-----------Modric------------
----Vidal---------Di Maria----
Bale------anyone-----Ronaldo

------------Ilarra-------------
-----Vidal--------Modric-------
Bale------Ronaldo-----Di maria

The problem is that it makes sense... i really hope its bullshit and Vidal stays in Juve. (if not coming to us hehe)


By the way, 2 of his horses won races in the racetrack this weekend... "Il Campioni" and "Sono Bianco Nero".... he clearly likes Juventus xd
 
Himself and Yaya probably best midfielders around at the moment, closely followed by Modric.
 
yes, because Vidal would rather come here than go to Madrid...

I mean, apart from bigger wages, bigger history, more fans, bigger stadium, better weather, Champions League, better players to pass to, more chance of trophies and the Spanish language...what else do Madrid really have to offer?
Why do United fans feel the need to put our club down so much?

Why don't you just support Madrid?
 
Unfortunately, Vidal makes a lot of sense for Madrid. He is the complete midfielder, with his defensive capabilities being the outstanding characteristic. They don't have anyone like him who will hunt people down and get the ball off of them. And, unlike many "defensive midfielders" who are too "bring" for Madrid standards, he is a very good attacker, too. Vidal, Di Maria and Modric would be a scary midfielder. All three are pretty dynamic and very good all around but with different specialities (Vidal: tackler, Di Maria: dribbler/runner, Modric: passer). Ancelotti made a hint a couple of days ago that they want them. So this is real. But for 41m they can feck right off.
 
Real could realiastically line up like this next season:
Casillas
Carvajal Ramos Varane Marcelo
Vidal Modric
Di Maria
Bale. Aguero. Ronaldo

That is fecking a scarily good team.

You'd back them to win the double at least wouldn't you? Unless Messi recovers his greatest form.
 
Why do United fans feel the need to put our club down so much?

Why don't you just support Madrid?

Be realistic mate. Madrid are a bigger draw than we are and always have been. The gap is even wider now they're arguably the best team in the world and we're not anywhere near the best in England.
 
Be realistic mate. Madrid are a bigger draw than we are and always have been. The gap is even wider now they're arguably the best team in the world and we're not anywhere near the best in England.
Read his post. There's saying we'd struggle to compete with Real for players and then there's taking a big steamy shite on your clubs chest and wiping your arse with its face.
 
Read his post. There's saying we'd struggle to compete with Real for players and then there's taking a big steamy shite on your clubs chest and wiping your arse with its face.

Nothing he said was wrong though.

Well aside from the more fans part.
 
Look, we ain't getting him if madrid bid for him, in fact I'd argue we wouldn't get him even if they don't. I don't see why he'd want to leave the 3 times serie a champs to sign for a 7th place transitional prem team. Juve have a solid contract for him at the moment with years to spare and he's mentioned that he's more than happy at the club. The stands are littered with banners of his face and his club are in truth, a few astute signings away from being an elite team themselves.

If madrid go really hard, then they might get him. Although its a difficult deal to understand from a juve standpoint. Yes, the money will be massive but who on gods green earth are they gonna get to do the job he does to a similar level? Surely if they are interested in joining the elite he's the sort of footballer he they have to retain. Plus he's young enough and they have a long enough contract for them to repel the offers and he'd still retain his value next summer. I'd say Juve just ain't selling.
 
Nothing he said was wrong though.

Well aside from the more fans part.
It's the general tone. We've enough people trying to shit on us at the minute without needing to pitch in ourselves.

We're not some two bit club, despite what Arsenal and Liverpool fans might try and tell us.
 
Look, we ain't getting him if madrid bid for him, in fact I'd argue we wouldn't get him even if they don't. I don't see why he'd want to leave the 3 times serie a champs to sign for a 7th place transitional prem team. Juve have a solid contract for him at the moment with years to spare and he's mentioned that he's more than happy at the club. The stands are littered with banners of his face and his club are in truth, a few astute signings away from being an elite team themselves.
30% pay increase may prove otherwise.. may.
 
It's a shame we don't appear to be in for him, he would be fantastic for us. We should offer £35m or so and see what happens. It'll take more than that of course but we should just bid and then go up and show we're serious. Should act quickly if Madrid are interested but it won't happen unfortunately so never mind. Don't see why he would want to join us anyway right now, we would have to offer Juve silly money and him at least 150k or so a week, no idea what he's on now but that should get his attention.
 
Honestly mate, there's a plethora of clubs in better conditions than us that would be willing to match that. Him moving to a non CL club is unimaginable at this point I'd think.
Speculatively speaking, that's where the 'money talks' thing comes in. It does.. Not always in the best of ways but you just never know mate!
 
I'm sure Van Gaal wont just throw €60 million for Vidal

We need to be shrewd in the transfer market and buy players who will get us back competing for the title. Blowing a large part of your budget on someone like Vidal isn't sensible when we have other positions we need reinforcing.

Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund have shown in the last few years that you don't have to spend a ton of cash to be successful. Just looking at their squads with players like Dante, Robben, Thiago, Shaqiri /Hummels, Gundogan, Lewandowski, Reus were all purchased for reasonable prices but most of these players were bargains, and not forgetting the players they also developed at their clubs respectively. Klopp at Dortmund is the reason for their success due to his knowledge in identifying the right players he wants in his system and not spending silly money in doing so. Bayern are the same, they pick up bargains make the foundation strong and then if needs be, they can add a Martinez and Goetze to keep the ball rolling and keep the machine well oiled.

We have Louis Van Gaal now, and I'm pretty sure he will be sensible and take a similar approach in bringing in the right players. Build the foundation to make us challengers again and once the foundation of the team is strong you can add a big money signing here or there to put the cherry on top.
 
That Vidal face in the express article :nervous:

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I'm sure Van Gaal wont just throw €60 million for Vidal

We need to be shrewd in the transfer market and buy players who will get us back competing for the title. Blowing a large part of your budget on someone like Vidal isn't sensible when we have other positions we need reinforcing.

Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund have shown in the last few years that you don't have to spend a ton of cash to be successful. Just looking at their squads with players like Dante, Robben, Thiago, Shaqiri /Hummels, Gundogan, Lewandowski, Reus were all purchased for reasonable prices but most of these players were bargains, and not forgetting the players they also developed at their clubs respectively. Klopp at Dortmund is the reason for their success due to his knowledge in identifying the right players he wants in his system and not spending silly money in doing so. Bayern are the same, they pick up bargains make the foundation strong and then if needs be, they can add a Martinez and Goetze to keep the ball rolling and keep the machine well oiled.

We have Louis Van Gaal now, and I'm pretty sure he will be sensible and take a similar approach in bringing in the right players. Build the foundation to make us challengers again and once the foundation of the team is strong you can add a big money signing here or there to put the cherry on top.

This guy is the best CM out there and exactly what we are missing in the middle of the park. He will end up @ RM, however if there is even a chance to sign him for 60M EUROs then we should get it done. The market has moved on and there is more money in the game, we're going to have to pay the price for not sorting out CM years ago if we want the best talent.
 
This guy is the best CM out there and exactly what we are missing in the middle of the park. He will end up @ RM, however if there is even a chance to sign him for 60M EUROs then we should get it done. The market has moved on and there is more money in the game, we're going to have to pay the price for not sorting out CM years ago if we want the best talent.

I agree although to be honest why would he come here? He is south american and they generally go to Italy or Spain, he is living in a beautiful city where he is adored and playing for a top European club who will play CL next year.
If Real flex their corrupt financial muscle I'm sure they could get him and they are probably the only team that would interest him. Imagine being the best player in the world in your position, joining the European champions star studded squad and playing with the best player on the planet every week...in Madrid.
LVG has a hard task on his hands this summer and that is why I do not believe we will sign a top player from a top club, we will more likely buy the next tier of player and I'm happy with that as our midfield sucks and I'm sure there are numerous players out there better than what we have who will be relatively cheap in today's market.
I trust LVG just not so much Ed!
 
I agree although to be honest why would he come here? He is south american and they generally go to Italy or Spain, he is living in a beautiful city where he is adored and playing for a top European club who will play CL next year.
If Real flex their corrupt financial muscle I'm sure they could get him and they are probably the only team that would interest him. Imagine being the best player in the world in your position, joining the European champions star studded squad and playing with the best player on the planet every week...in Madrid.
LVG has a hard task on his hands this summer and that is why I do not believe we will sign a top player from a top club, we will more likely buy the next tier of player and I'm happy with that as our midfield sucks and I'm sure there are numerous players out there better than what we have who will be relatively cheap in today's market.
I trust LVG just not so much Ed!

I agree which is why I said he will probably end up and RM, however we should still be in for him i.e sound him out and see if there is something there. I'm pretty sure we would have anyway.
 
You know what I love on this forum? Even more than a top player being linked to a big rival is when posters on here start drawing up their lineups with said player included thats just my favourite thing on here. Love it
 
Apparently there is a money plus Morata deal. If they're gonna all out to sign Vidal surely Rakitic is available?
 
Apparently there is a money plus Morata deal. If they're gonna all out to sign Vidal surely Rakitic is available?
Rakitic doesn't want to leave Spain apparently.
 
I'm sure Juventus will keep Pogba if they sell Vidal. I don't think we were ever really in the running for him, he's one of the top 10 players in the world for me.

Real Madrid putting together a frightening team.
 
Why would Juventus want Morata, especially if they're going to change to a 4-3-3, with, I assume, one striker? They've already got Tevez, Llorente, Vucinic and Quagliarella.
 
It's the general tone. We've enough people trying to shit on us at the minute without needing to pitch in ourselves.

We're not some two bit club, despite what Arsenal and Liverpool fans might try and tell us.
We're not but we are a club that's not playing Champions League football or any kind of European football next season. That fact is a big hindrance when trying to sign players that are used to playing there.
 
I think Vidal and Strootman are the type of player that we need.

Agreed. Van Gaal's general midfield three consists of a holder, box to box and creator. I suppose most midfield three's do.

I personally feel we're fine in the holding and creative midfield role, therefore, like you said, our priority should be an all action, dynamic midfielder, as we don't really have one of these in our squad.
 
Although we don't "need" Fabregas he would be a vast improvement on what we have. Someone like Vidal would be a dream but maybe far fetched. Obviously a lot will depend if they make a huge pursuit for Aguero or Suarez. I doubt they would spend 80 million plus on either of those and then the huge sum Vidal would cost, although with Madrid you never know....
 
Agreed. Van Gaal's general midfield three consists of a holder, box to box and creator. I suppose most midfield three's do.

I personally feel we're fine in the holding and creative midfield role, therefore, like you said, our priority should be an all action, dynamic midfielder, as we don't really have one of these in our squad.

I don't really get his obsession with Van Gaal playing a 433. At Bayern he used Muller off the striker, at Ajax he played three at the back and he's currently playing a back five with Netherlands. He uses all sorts of systems, and he adapts depending on players. He's certainly a fan of hard workers in central areas and that's not something we have so I'm sure he will invest there, but he's rarely insisted on a rigid midfield 3.

I agree with the notion we need a box to box player - an all rounder that can put in a solid shift, defend well, bring the ball forward and chip in with a few goals. Completely disagree that we don't need a holder though, we don't have anyone who resembles that - who are you suggesting? Fellaini can't tackle and is positionally terrible, Fletcher is sadly knackered and no longer of the required standard and Carrick is a reliable passer and positions himself well but he's never been the holder some people like to brand him as. We also lack someone who can create from deep. You talk of a creator in a 3 man midfield but again who is that player? Rooney is a striker and Kagawa/Mata are number 10s that have always played off the striker rather than in a 3.

Moving to a midfield 3 wouldn't remotely suit our players and I really doubt Van Gaal will do that when he's shown few signs of doing it in the past.
 
I don't really get his obsession with Van Gaal playing a 433. At Bayern he used Muller off the striker, at Ajax he played three at the back and he's currently playing a back five with Netherlands. He uses all sorts of systems, and he adapts depending on players. He's certainly a fan of hard workers in central areas and that's not something we have so I'm sure he will invest there, but he's rarely insisted on a rigid midfield 3.

I agree with the notion we need a box to box player - an all rounder that can put in a solid shift, defend well, bring the ball forward and chip in with a few goals. Completely disagree that we don't need a holder though, we don't have anyone who resembles that - who are you suggesting? Fellaini can't tackle and is positionally terrible, Fletcher is sadly knackered and no longer of the required standard and Carrick is a reliable passer and positions himself well but he's never been the holder some people like to brand him as. We also lack someone who can create from deep. You talk of a creator in a 3 man midfield but again who is that player? Rooney is a striker and Kagawa/Mata are number 10s that have always played off the striker rather than in a 3.

Moving to a midfield 3 wouldn't remotely suit our players and I really doubt Van Gaal will do that when he's shown few signs of doing it in the past.

True. To be honest, none of us know what system Van Gaal will use, but he has always said he's a big admirer of the 4-3-3 system.

As for the holding player, why can't Fellaini or Carrick play as holding players? They're complete different types of players, but I don't see why one of them couldn't protect the back four. Carrick, whilst not a robust player, has great positional and tactical awareness, and has a great passing range. Fellaini, on the other hand, is not the greatest on the ball (although I feel that's massively exaggerated), but I'm not sure how you can say he can't tackle. He's been our best tackler this season, avergaing 2.8 tackles a game, which is pretty decent, when comparing him to other defensive midfielders. I think to get the best out of Carrick and Fellaini, we'll need two dynamic players next to them.

As for the creator, in a 4-2-3-1, the movement of the most advanced midfielder is more or less the same. Sniejder is a natural no.10 and from what I know, has played behind the forward for most of his career, however, he seems to do fine in Van Gaal's 4-3-3 playing as the most advanced midfielder. Rooney has also played in a midfield three this season, more notably against Villa when he ran the game. I have no doubt that Mata has played in a midfield three for Spain too.

You only have to look at how Kagawa/Mata/Rooney play when they play in the no.10 role. At times, they drop so deep to collect the ball, whilst one of the midfielders move out of that space to create a bit more fluidity and less more predictability to our play. For example, when we played West Brom, Mata come very deep for the ball, whilst Fellaini was constantly making runs into the box.

I personally think we have got the players to play a 4-3-3. I really don't thinks there's a massive difference between a 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 anyway. Our most advanced midfielder will be the one who normally plays no.10 (Mata, Rooney, Kagawa).
 
True. To be honest, none of us know what system Van Gaal will use, but he has always said he's a big admirer of the 4-3-3 system.

As for the holding player, why can't Fellaini or Carrick play as holding players? They're complete different types of players, but I don't see why one of them couldn't protect the back four. Carrick, whilst not a robust player, has great positional and tactical awareness, and has a great passing range. Fellaini, on the other hand, is not the greatest on the ball (although I feel that's massively exaggerated), but I'm not sure how you can say he can't tackle. He's been our best tackler this season, avergaing 2.8 tackles a game, which is pretty decent, when comparing him to other defensive midfielders. I think to get the best out of Carrick and Fellaini, we'll need two dynamic players next to them.

As for the creator, in a 4-2-3-1, the movement of the most advanced midfielder is more or less the same. Sniejder is a natural no.10 and from what I know, has played behind the forward for most of his career, however, he seems to do fine in Van Gaal's 4-3-3 playing as the most advanced midfielder. Rooney has also played in a midfield three this season, more notably against Villa when he ran the game. I have no doubt that Mata has played in a midfield three for Spain too.

You only have to look at how Kagawa/Mata/Rooney play when they play in the no.10 role. At times, they drop so deep to collect the ball, whilst one of the midfielders move out of that space to create a bit more fluidity and less more predictability to our play. For example, when we played West Brom, Mata come very deep for the ball, whilst Fellaini was constantly making runs into the box.

I personally think we have got the players to play a 4-3-3. I really don't thinks there's a massive difference between a 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 anyway. Our most advanced midfielder will be the one who normally plays no.10 (Mata, Rooney, Kagawa).
Carrick's always done a decent job as the deepest midfielder in a 2 against weaker opposition but he's never been the greatest tackler and we've been shown up plenty of times without someone shielding the back four against top sides. He's also coming off the worst season in his career. I agree he's tactically and positionally excellent but he isn't a holder, he's basically a deep lying playmaker and has played an Alonso type role for us for years. When you consider Alonso has thrived with a destroyer beside him - be it Mascherano, Khedira or Busquets - I think Carrick has suffered at times in the absence of one.

I wouldn't say I've written Fellaini off like everyone else seems to have done, but it's hard to see what role he will have for us. He gives away far too many fouls and often wanders miles out of position for a DM. He also seems to have pretty poor stamina and often appears lazy when tracking back. His best form came as a wrecking ball number 10 and his consistent role for Belgium is more of a box to box player, which is how he played on the few occasions he impressed for United. I'd love to see him kick on under Van Gaal but I can't see him doing that as a DM - other than his physicality I don't think he has the right attributes for the role at all. I think we've been crying out for a proper holding player for ages, we've just been good enough elsewhere to paper over the cracks. At times last season our centre halves were lambs to the slaughter, such was the gaping space in between the lines.

I think there's a much bigger difference between an orthodox 433 and 4231 than you're making out. The modern number 10 has freedom to roam and not a massive amount of defensive responsibility, while the advanced player in a 3 needs a bit more discipline and can't afford to work the channels as much as someone playing off the striker. Mata and Kagawa are the epitome of that, and have found their best form playing off the striker and regularly contributing with goals. You mention both dropping deep at times with us and that's definitely true, though I don't think it's a good thing, rather a necessity due to the shocking creativity coming from the midfield. I reckon they'd thrive with that all rounder we've been suggesting as they'd be able to operate much further forwards where they're at their best.

Regardless of the above, as I said I don't expect Van Gaal to play with a 3, I think he'll opt for a proper number 10. We've got an excellent set of 10s and I think we could regularly play with two of them, one operating from wide to help with creativity. It's hard to see how all three could play unless RVP is injured. Both Mata and Kagawa prefer a central role but they're both more than competent on opposite sides out wide, with Januzaj able to cover on both sides too, so there are loads of options.

If Van Gaal brought in a holder and a box to box player, that'd leave us with decent options. Those two as the starters, with Carrick getting regular game time and Fellaini and Cleverley as alternate options. The latter two have been slated but as 4th and 5th choice we'd struggle to find anything better. Anderson and Fletcher aren't good enough any more so they'd need to go IMO. Other priorities are obviously a left back, a top quality centre half if available and a top wide player. Our main three are all in decline, I'd let two of them go, probably keep Valencia as cover, and sign someone with the pace we seriously lack that can play either side and be close to a permanent fixture in the side.
 
Apparently there is a money plus Morata deal. If they're gonna all out to sign Vidal surely Rakitic is available?
Between Rakitic, Koke, Fabregas, Xavi (though he'S old he could still be useful), Vidal and Strootman something's gotta give. They can't all be joining another club or staying put. Right?
 
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