Arturo Vidal

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sincher said:
That side again was:

De Gea-Rafael-Shaw-Hummels-Evans-Vidal-Herrera-Di Maria-Mata-Januzaj-Van Persie.

To me that doesn't look better than:

Neuer-Lahm-Alaba-Dante-Boateng-Schweinsteiger-Kroos-Gotze-Robben-Ribery-Muller

nor:

Diego Lopez-Carvajal-Coentrao-Pepe-Ramos-Alonso-Modric-Ronaldo-Bale-Rodriguez-Benzema

nor:

Bravo-Alves-Pique-Mascherano-Alba-Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta-Pedro-Neymar-Messi
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Not to mention you have forgotten Lewandowski in that Bayern team.

That said, the United side mentioned puts us back in that conversation at the very least. Seeing us line up with a midfield of Valencia, Giggs, Fellaini and Carrick in a CL quater final against Bayern Munich this year was one of the lows of my lifetime as a United fan.

Either we have actually had no money or I can't for the life of me think what Fergie was thinking these last few years in terms of player recruitment.
 
Theon said:
I don't think there will be too much of an issue with Vidal's defensive work, even if he went for £100m. And that really wasn't what I was saying - by highlighting his fee I was really just trying to illustrate how he's the best midfielder in the world, and how he would cost a huge amount. The combination of those two things makes it extremely important we get the best out of him.. Why sign him otherwise.

The comment about letting Vidal do his thing includes his defensive work, his best asset in defence is his pressing which really is relentless. Trouble is when you press as high as he does without a holder you run the risk of getting caught out. So I really wasn't suggesting that he shirks any defensive duty.

I also wasn't suggesting that he sticks to one part of the pitch - in fact the whole reason I would prefer Vidal to be combined with a holder like Carvalho is precisely to allow him to go wherever he wanted without any restrictions. He wouldn't need to 'hold' or cover, so he can do what he wants. He's the best midfielder on the pitch and having someone sit back allows him to go and express himself.
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To press at the very highest level you need another midfielder who is either very mobile or comfortable pressing as well, wirh Herrera and Vidal you have two players with incredibly high work rate and who (especially Herrera) are intelligent footballers. They are clever enough to know that if the other guy is bombing forward then they need to sit, its Sunday League stuff.

So what if it restricts Vidals game SLIGHTLY, knowing that either one of those midfielders can accelerate quickly and join the attack is a far bigger weapon than Vidal on his own.
 


Juve's mouth peice says the deal could be on, They are the best newspaper for news on juve, they had the pogba deal 1 month earlier(juve interest also very early).

ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!
 
What does it say? Can't see at work.
 
Literally couldn't care less if we have to give them players. Get rid of whoever to get Vidal.
 
Summit said:
What does it say? Can't see at work.
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The major Italian sport newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport have been publishing stories for over a week alluding to Juventus softening on the idea of a Arturo Vidal sale. Turin newspaper Tuttosport have not been so convinced that a transfer is possible, which should be no surprise. Tuttosport concentrate mainly on Juventus and are of course biased in their reporting a lot of the time, the idea that their local team could lose arguably its best player was not one they wanted to take seriously.

Things are changing and even Tuttosport now accept that a move could happen. Their piece on the situation starts by explaining that Juventus are erecting a wall around Vidal and Paul Pogba to try and stop anyone buying them. Not a literal wall, well probably not anyway.

However, they end the piece by explaining that a bid totalling €50m would be sufficient for Juventus because it would allow them to strengthen their team and compensate for the lose of the Chilean midfielder. And Tuttosport say that the €50m doesn't have to be all cash, it can be made up of cash and players.

Juventus have long been reportedly interested in Luis Nani but have never been able to do a deal for the Manchester United player. Antonio Conte's dream for this transfer window was Alexis Sanchez and that now looks unlikely, with Arsenal beating them to it. Nani would be an alternative to add attacking threat from wide positions and the Turin newspaper reckon Manchester United will add him into the deal.

If it adds up to €50m then Manchester United have met what Juventus need for Vidal, according to Tuttosport, and a deal can be completed.

Manchester United would probably want to value Nani at more than Juventus but a figure of around €15m/£12m would seen to be reasonable for the 27 year old Portuguese international. That would bring the cash difference down to €35m which sounds perfectly manageable for the Premier League club. A deal of £28m plus Nani sounds like something of a steal given the winger's past season(s). There is no doubt that Nani is very talented and a move may be the best thing for him.

Swap deals and using players as part payment is more common in Italian football but it's always difficult to pull these things off, getting agreement from all agents and players involved can be tricky to do at the same time. It could be that one deal is done before the other, should Tuttosport's theory turn out to be reality.
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Anyone know much about Tuttosport? As the local Juve friendly paper, are they likely to sensationalise any story to sell papers, even if the story is about a Juve star leaving?
 
Sied said:
Anyone know much about Tuttosport? As the local Juve friendly paper, are they likely to sensationalise any story to sell papers, even if the story is about a Juve star leaving?
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They usually categorically deny Vidal could ever be transferred out of Juve.
 
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ivaldo said:
To press at the very highest level you need another midfielder who is either very mobile or comfortable pressing as well, wirh Herrera and Vidal you have two players with incredibly high work rate and who (especially Herrera) are intelligent footballers. They are clever enough to know that if the other guy is bombing forward then they need to sit, its Sunday League stuff.

So what if it restricts Vidals game SLIGHTLY, knowing that either one of those midfielders can accelerate quickly and join the attack is a far bigger weapon than Vidal on his own.
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Sied said:
Anyone know much about Tuttosport? As the local Juve friendly paper, are they likely to sensationalise any story to sell papers, even if the story is about a Juve star leaving?
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Has Manchester United ever done a high profile swap deal? We don't usually trade with people's lives but hey ho I'm all for it!
 
matherto said:
Literally couldn't care less if we have to give them players. Get rid of whoever to get Vidal.
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I have a long list of players they can have...Young, Nani, Anderson, Fletcher, Hernandez, Bebe, Cleverley, Smalling, Evra, even Carrick. Give them the lot - straight swap for Arturo!
 
ivaldo said:
To press at the very highest level you need another midfielder who is either very mobile or comfortable pressing as well, wirh Herrera and Vidal you have two players with incredibly high work rate and who (especially Herrera) are intelligent footballers. They are clever enough to know that if the other guy is bombing forward then they need to sit, its Sunday League stuff.

So what if it restricts Vidals game SLIGHTLY, knowing that either one of those midfielders can accelerate quickly and join the attack is a far bigger weapon than Vidal on his own.
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Again not too sure what the attitude is for. It seems pretty clear to me that if you spend £50m on a player you should try and get the most out of him. Something like Vidal/Carvalho is more balanced than Vidal/Herrera. I don't think that's too controversial really and it's all that has been said. I can't think of many top teams who used a midfield partnership like Vidal/Herrera, but I can think of countless who use a holder.

Lots of teams have pressed whilst having a holding midfielder - really not sure what you're on about there. In terms of pressing Barcelona managed it fine with Busquets, Spain actually managed it with two holders as they also used Alonso. It's really common.

If you've read my posts you'll see that I'm all for this transfer, but that midfield partnership is unbalanced whichever way you look at it and I don't think you'll get the most from Vidal. Hopefully if we sign him we'll play a 3-5-2 which suits the rest of our players anyway, but would certainly better fit a Herrera/Vidal midfield IMO. In that system I think it would be perfect.
 
Sied said:
Anyone know much about Tuttosport? As the local Juve friendly paper, are they likely to sensationalise any story to sell papers, even if the story is about a Juve star leaving?
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They talk less bullshit than gazzetta.
 
RedorDead21 said:
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Has Manchester United ever done a high profile swap deal? We don't usually trade with people's lives but hey ho I'm all for it!
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Juve have been linked with Nani for some time though anyway right? Regardless of any potential deal with Vidal. If it suits all parties involved, then why not.
 
Theon said:
Again not too sure what the attitude is for. It seems pretty clear to me that if you spend £50m on a player you should try and get the most out of him. Something like Vidal/Carvalho is more balanced than Vidal/Herrera. I don't think that's too controversial really and it's all that has been said. I can't think of many top teams who used a midfield partnership like Vidal/Herrera, but I can think of countless who use a holder.

Lots of teams have pressed whilst having a holding midfielder - really not sure what you're on about there. In terms of pressing Barcelona managed it fine with Busquets, Spain actually managed it with two holders as they also used Alonso. It's really common.

If you've read my posts you'll see that I'm all for this transfer, but that midfield partnership is unbalanced whichever way you look at it and I don't think you'll get the most from Vidal.
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I have/had the same worry, but I think that both Herrera and Vidal are versatile enough and intelligent enough to make the partnership work. Something like Khedira-Alonso when neither of them is a defensive midfielder.
 
They really, really hate us since our interest in Vidal over at Juventuz fan forums, some of the stuff they're spouting is laughable.
 
It's becoming clearer that Juventus are willing to sell at the right price. Even if we bid 40 million plus Nani it would be an amazing deal for one of the best midfielders in the world. Woodward needs to get this done!
 
A Vidal deal is the type of transfer where no negotiating is required. You ask Juventus and Vidal to name their price, you pay it and then you leave Turin as fast as possible with your ski mask on and Arturo in the bag before they wise up and change their mind.
 
Revan said:
I have/had the same worry, but I think that both Herrera and Vidal are versatile enough and intelligent enough to make the partnership work. Something like Khedira-Alonso when neither of them is a defensive midfielder.
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Thing is that Alonso sits a lot more than either of those, he pretty much is a holder who dictates things from deep. It certainly doesn't match the 'take turns to bomb forward' narrative that we have going on here for this partnership.

Maybe Herrera could adapt his game to sit and pass from deep though.
 
Theon said:
Thing is that Alonso sits a lot more than either of those, he pretty much is a holder who dictates things from deep. It certainly doesn't match the 'take turns to bomb forward' narrative that we have going on here for this partnership.

Maybe Herrera could adapt his game to sit and pass from deep though.
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Was thinking this. He is a very dynamic midfielder with a great tackle on him. He can play IMO as the more defensive role on the partnership. For tougher games we can go with three on midfield (putting Carrick there too).
 
Revan said:
I have/had the same worry, but I think that both Herrera and Vidal are versatile enough and intelligent enough to make the partnership work. Something like Khedira-Alonso when neither of them is a defensive midfielder.
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It was more Alonso - Modric these days. Anyway Alonso sits deeper in that combination. He plays the role Carrick does for us.
 
matherto said:
Literally couldn't care less if we have to give them players. Get rid of whoever to get Vidal.
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Who would they realistically take though? Evra's deal seems to be a separate deal unless I'm mistaken. They'd take Nani. Who else though? They wouldn't take Young, Cleverley or Carrick for example.
 
Trizy said:
They really, really hate us since our interest in Vidal over at Juventuz fan forums, some of the stuff they're spouting is laughable.
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They are making the standard mistake of confusing the size of the club with the state of the team. I respected that club even after Calciopoli and then nicking Pogba but reading some of the comments and the amount of vitriol in them is quite shocking.
 
Theon said:
Again not too sure what the attitude is for. It seems pretty clear to me that if you spend £50m on a player you should try and get the most out of him. Something like Vidal/Carvalho is more balanced than Vidal/Herrera. I don't think that's too controversial really and it's all that has been said. I can't think of many top teams who used a midfield partnership like Vidal/Herrera, but I can think of countless who use a holder.

Lots of teams have pressed whilst having a holding midfielder - really not sure what you're on about there. In terms of pressing Barcelona managed it fine with Busquets, Spain actually managed it with two holders as they also used Alonso. It's really common.

If you've read my posts you'll see that I'm all for this transfer, but that midfield partnership is unbalanced whichever way you look at it and I don't think you'll get the most from Vidal. Hopefully if we sign him we'll play a 3-5-2 which suits the rest of our players anyway, but would certainly better fit a Herrera/Vidal midfield IMO. In that system I think it would be perfect.
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I am confident that a LVG-MUFC team will be a balanced team and a winning one at that.
 
Theon said:
Again not too sure what the attitude is for. It seems pretty clear to me that if you spend £50m on a player you should try and get the most out of him. Something like Vidal/Carvalho is more balanced than Vidal/Herrera. I don't think that's too controversial really and it's all that has been said. I can't think of many top teams who used a midfield partnership like Vidal/Herrera, but I can think of countless who use a holder.

Lots of teams have pressed whilst having a holding midfielder - really not sure what you're on about there. In terms of pressing Barcelona managed it fine with Busquets, Spain actually managed it with two holders as they also used Alonso. It's really common.

If you've read my posts you'll see that I'm all for this transfer, but that midfield partnership is unbalanced whichever way you look at it and I don't think you'll get the most from Vidal. Hopefully if we sign him we'll play a 3-5-2 which suits the rest of our players anyway, but would certainly better fit a Herrera/Vidal midfield IMO. In that system I think it would be perfect.
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Chill man, where the hell is there any attitude in my post whatsoever, just because I disagree with your point doesn't mean I have attitude.

How can Herrera and Vidal be unbalanced? They are both very good defensively and very good offensively. Take the champions league winners as an example, is modric and alsonso defensive midfielder specialists? They certainly aren't but they operate effectively, Herrera is better defensively than both of those players. Football evolves all the time. Its the reason Spain/Barca were so dominant, they evolved their game and were doing something other teams hadnt before in TT. This is the future of football, a multifunctional midfield.
 
Seems that the Vidal rumours are slowly heating up. Just waiting for that one 100% credible source to announce something.
 
One of Vidal, Hummels or Di Maria would be huge, two of them would blow the forum's gasket.

Summer so far has been promising, two young players who are already good who can develop, but a top notch player or 2 and we can start really getting excited.

Either way, with no more signings I think he'll doubtless get more out of the squad than the Moyesie did.
 
Browniee said:
Seems that the Vidal rumours are slowly heating up. Just waiting for that one 100% credible source to announce something.
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I'm convinced its going to happen now. The sheer quantity of rumours circulating from diverse sources has got me. Our odds have shortened a fair bit recently as well (8/11) with Madrid 2nd at 14s (Sky Bet). Bookies rarely get it wrong.
 
ivaldo said:
I'm convinced its going to happen now. The sheer quantity of rumours circulating from diverse sources has got me. Our odds have shortened a fair bit recently as well (8/11) with Madrid 2nd at 14s (Sky Bet). Bookies rarely get it wrong.
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Fair enough, I for one take bookies odds with a pinch of salt.
These rumours are all from Italy and are relayed on twitter by twitter 'itk'
Just want SSN or BBC to break something then I'll get excited.
I kain 100% iPhone battery in like 10 hours on here and SSN app waiting
 
Browniee said:
Fair enough, I for one take bookies odds with a pinch of salt.
These rumours are all from Italy and are relayed on twitter by twitter 'itk'
Just want SSN or BBC to break something then I'll get excited.
I kain 100% iPhone battery in like 10 hours on here and SSN app waiting
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I tend to think you can tell when there is genuine interest, depending on what market you look at.

I've basically lived in the twitter and Vidal thread these last few days!
 
I dont like what I'm becoming. I only play the lottery now when its a triple rollover as several million is no longer enough. Vidal alone doesn't fix me unless followed up with Di Maria and Hummels......the shame of it!
 
ivaldo said:
I tend to think you can tell when there is genuine interest, depending on what market you look at.

I've basically lived in the twitter and Vidal thread these last few days!
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Same as
RedorDead21 said:
I dont like what I'm becoming. I only play the lottery now when its a triple rollover as several million is no longer enough. Vidal alone doesn't fix me unless followed up with Di Maria and Hummels......the shame of it!
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If you said to me at the end of of May we'd have Vidal, Herrera and Shaw signed up this summer of have bitten your hand off.
I don't think we will get Di Maria or Hummels but I'd be happy to get De Vrij and maybe Depay.
 
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