Ah yes, an online niche comment that speaks on behalf of an entire fanbase! Love those.
Arteta Vs EtH
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Arsenal's performances this season have disproven that. The stats, the eye test, the results show that Arteta has what it takes. If he is hugely overrated, all managers in the PL right now are.
It's an open question whether Arteta can continue to push, but he's earned the right to try for 1-2 seasons, bar a serious drop off in performance.
Like I said on the other thread, would be interesting to see Caf comments from the time.
I dont know if Arteta is overrated...he isnt rated obviously as high as Pep. If Arteta is overrated, how overrated are the rest of the PL managers? I see him as a mini Pep, I dont know if he will ever have remotely the same level of success (that's a ridiculously tall order)but the guy is obsessed about managing much like Pep. Also, it helps Pep that well ...City are cheats. Not to say he isn't great.
People remember good football and wins. Arteta has given Arsenal that for the last 2 seasons. In the same way Klopp has given Liverpool those things despite not winning as much as City. The feeling of winning games, knowing you have a good chance to win major trophies and watching your team play good football is far greater than simply winning a domestic cup. It's like fans stating they would rather have the 15/16 season to the 01/02, 97/98 or 09/10 season. Those seasons, despite not winning, gave us good football from players we liked watching every week.
Arteta has Arsenal fans believing that they could win a Champions League due to how much good football his team played this season. Anyone stating he's overrated clearly doesn't understand how difficult it must be to get consistently great football out of your team each week. Then again, United fans didn't even value Fergie and his football, which is why its so easy for them, despite playing good football for all of Fergie's tenure, to identify that Fergie was also a great tactician. That's why as a fanbase, we think anyone can be Fergie if given time
Also helps that their fans are a bit delusional to go along with that belief. They're a decent team. But for now, nowhere near getting past a City or Real or even a shit Bayern.
At the start of each season, if I was given the choice to get to game 38 with a chance to win the league or be in the fa cup final, I would pick the league every single time. Of course if we are finishing 10 points behind the champion, an fa cup final is better.
If arsenal fans don't believe they have small club mentality, if they believe they are delusional.
I don't even know what he's on about. Arsenal went toe to toe with Bayern, and were the better team for the most part. They've also beaten City. They played well enough this season to be considered contenders
I'd pick the league. 38 games with mostly good wins, means a lot of good weekends. It means for the most part, fans of a team left happy after watching them, particularly if they played good football. In the long run, that means high popularity, new fans and more money.
This is the core reason why Arsenal were able develop a strong fanbase despite being second best to United for most of the 2000's. When people think of 02/03, its not the FA Cup that comes to mind for Arsenal, its the title challenge and the good football on display.
Looking forward to the parade for the toe-to-toe trophy.
Or maybe you're picking opinions held by different people and pretending that everyone here simultaneously holds both views.
No, I'm just having a go at your silly post.
There is nothing delusional in thinking that if you reach the cl quarters you can win the whole thing with a bit of luck.
Fair enough, if the hope was that you fluke your way through the side of the draw with City and Real. Stranger things have happened.
We beat city this season and it wasn't a fluke.
Look I'm not judging or anything but like - finishing 1 point behind the champion feels no better than finishing 10 points behind. Remember we have at least -been- in a race with City every now and then, we were top of the league in January in 2021 I believe. It didn't mean anything in the end. As a fan, personally I've always loved the big days out for titles and trophies. I'd like us to get better and more consistent and actually challenge and FEEL like winning the league, it would be nice. But it's pointless, it really, really is, to pretend that losing out on the last day is anything other than failure ultimately.
Last year I felt way worse than this year, so for me it's very different.
Yeah don't get me wrong, I mean I'd be quite pleased how far my teams come if I was an Arsenal fan, Arteta has worked miracles there. But there've been so many false dawns for ourselves that it's hard not to be cynical on behalf of Arsenal even though they are a young team and should get better. Nobody remembers that Solskjaer or Mourinho finished second except United fans.
That's fair, I guess a good league campaign just gives me more enjoyment throughout the year and it's better for my mental health. A season like this season's united would've ruined so many of my weekends.
ETH has had a better career so far but hes also been a manager much longer.
Arteta has been better in the PL so far but hes also been managing in the PL under a good structure for longer
ETH has the better body of work so far but not sure how you assess them against each other for now. You’ll have to see how their careers pan out from here
Arteta has been better in the PL so far but hes also been managing in the PL under a good structure for longer
ETH has the better body of work so far but not sure how you assess them against each other for now. You’ll have to see how their careers pan out from here
Im stunned United fans are looking past the 38 match league campaign in 8th place and negative goal difference. All because of a 6 match FA Cup success.
Ive been there. Wenger won 3 FA cups in 4 years. There is no correlation between domestic cup success and improved performance in the league.
How confident are United fans, that United could finish above Arsenal next season?
Even though ETH has won more trophies than Arteta, ETH still has it all to prove. Surely the Manchester United manager needs to be able to challenge for the league.
In two years ETH's goal differential is 14. Arteta goal difference since the beginning of last season is 105. An out performance of 91 goals across two seasons.
Ive been there. Wenger won 3 FA cups in 4 years. There is no correlation between domestic cup success and improved performance in the league.
How confident are United fans, that United could finish above Arsenal next season?
Even though ETH has won more trophies than Arteta, ETH still has it all to prove. Surely the Manchester United manager needs to be able to challenge for the league.
In two years ETH's goal differential is 14. Arteta goal difference since the beginning of last season is 105. An out performance of 91 goals across two seasons.
Lego Pep vs Dutch Calilou
Tbf mate we all get generalised based on the AFCTV lunatics as well. I generally feel Twitter, FB accounts love outlandish views, only way they more likes/views/retweets is to be controversial.
Arteta clearly has the better hair.
That's a disadvantage. Arteta has to take time out each day to dump a whole bottle of got2be on his head, whilst the baldies Maresca, Slot and Pep get to spend that time thinking about football and tactics and shit.
I think Pep spends probably more time on his clothes picks for the day than all of them put together!
EtH has that asylum patient look though. Scare factor ++?
I thought Arteta was a PE teacher but he has proved me wrong ..
Arteta is way ahead of ETH
Arteta is way ahead of ETH
Many United fans will just pick whatever side of the argument the team happens to fall on. You can’t take these opinions too seriously.
If we went from 5th to two 2nd place finishes with the second only being confirmed in the final day of the season to City, this thread would be laughed at if seen on an Arsenal forum.
The pecking order has always been PL and CL way out ahead of the FA Cup which is also streets ahead of the Carabao cup.
Who will be happier to have a repeat of this season next year, us or Arsenal?
On the manager comparisons, I just don’t know how you can rate EtH ahead of Arteta watching how their teams play for the past two seasons. The only thing I’d give EtH is maybe he’s better off in planning for a one-off game and even that I’m not sure of.
If we went from 5th to two 2nd place finishes with the second only being confirmed in the final day of the season to City, this thread would be laughed at if seen on an Arsenal forum.
The pecking order has always been PL and CL way out ahead of the FA Cup which is also streets ahead of the Carabao cup.
Who will be happier to have a repeat of this season next year, us or Arsenal?
On the manager comparisons, I just don’t know how you can rate EtH ahead of Arteta watching how their teams play for the past two seasons. The only thing I’d give EtH is maybe he’s better off in planning for a one-off game and even that I’m not sure of.
I mean you need luck of the draw, don't you?
The big teams can play against each other and if Arsenal somehow reach the finals playing the Portos and Ajax, they have a chance to win the CL in a one off game ..
If we had the same luck, we would lose against the Ajax and the Portos..
Arteta winning a best Premier League manager award tonight after a successful season of winning......nothing.
Another modern award based on social media rather than actual trophies.
Another modern award based on social media rather than actual trophies.
Denied by the biggest cheating operation in history, managed by the best manager around. Who even Klopp only get better off once. You forgot to add this tidbit.
Had it not been for this cheating enterprise we'd won two in a row and looking to go to 3 (unreal achievement), so would you have the second placed finishes you had.
Probably because football existed for longer than 2 seasons and people remember both how Arsenal played for the 2 season prior and Ajax
Arteta is 5 years into the evolution of his side the first 2 years were not pretty. Its not a smart comparison to arbitrarily pick 2 years without context.
Only time will tell who is the better manager but so far ETH has the better body of work bar the past 18 months
Arteta is a far better manager than ETH, has a clear idea of how he wants to play and you can clearly see his imprint on the team
It's a worthless award but if you're not giving it to Pep, it's a toss up between Arteta and Emery. Both would be fine.
How is this even a contest right now? Arteta is head and shoulders above. Sure maybe Ten Hag will magically turn it around but also equally likely that he gets sacked mid next season and spends the rest of his career jumping between okay clubs like Jose.
ETH has won more major tropies in 2 years than Arteta in 5 years. In the end, thats all that really matters.
20 years from now people won't remember or care about the team that came second or almost won a trophy. They get relegeated to the back pages of history.
Saying that though, City should never have been allowed to win the premeir league, political pressure from their state backed owners means they have stolen another trophy.
Ten Hag still has a lot to Pantene Pro ve
Thats only true if Arsenal win nothing in the coming years. However, as things stand, Arsenal have a genuine chance of the league, whereas Man United winning the title this season seems really farfetched. There is even the possibility of the dynamic changing in the post Pep era that will start in 2025. Arsenal under Arteta are primed to take advantage of this, whereas Man United are miles away from being able to take advantage of any City FFP punishment or drop off following a Pep exit. Finishing 8th with a negative goal difference is hard evidence of this.
Wasnt the mandate for Ten Hag to challenge for the league? The cups are nice. However, if Arteta won the FA Cup next season and finished 8th with a negative goal difference, I would be furious.
Wow using a hair product to slate ETH, that's hitting below the belt.