Arteta Vs EtH

Why’s he being compared to Arteta? He’s won more trophies than him in less amount of time. He’s also had to deal with a lot more than Arteta. Not a fair comparison really yet ETH still comes out on top.
 
The league cup is not a major trophy... The FA cup is.

This is the sort of pathetic nonsense I really hate with some football fans.

Sneering at the trophy you didn't win this year.
I bet you were saying the FA Cup didn't matter in the years we didn't win it either.
 
Funny rage baiting but i'm really happy United won today, feck City and everything they stand for. :D Pep got outbalded and is probably sill talking to the refs at Wembley.
 
As a spurs fan (don't laugh) and Tottenham finishing in the top 4, including 2nd a few times, I would take a FA Cup trophy over league position everytime.

No one remembers who came 2nd, but your club name is permanently on that trophy.

Congratulations Man Utd
Hey hey hey, don't talk reason here. This a Twitter forum now so stick to the nonsense.
 
It means CL instead of EL or no Europe which in turn means much more money and improved player recruitment potential.

It also means the squad probably has a higher chance of winning the league in future seasons. So I'd say the reverse, when it comes to building for the future, 2nd place means more than an FA Cup.

At the tail end of Wenger's time I don't recall any opposition fans being impressed with "a trophy" when he was still winning FA Cups, all there was was banter about league position. And in the best manager threads, it's leagues, CL and occasionally EL trophies used to judge managers legacies, not the domestic cups.

For the silly thread title, Arteta has already won an FA Cup anyway.

That all said, I'm glad United won. I'll always prefer United or Liverpool or anyone winning over City.
Give our takeover I guess we aren’t strapped for cash and CL won’t be a deciding factor.

in the past we spent tonne of money and look at where we are so it’s not just that.

will Arsenal or United win CL next year? I doubt even if we did qualify. And I doubt you will given you haven’t in your entire history.

as for banter there always will be one, unless you win a treble or something.

For the record, when you won the FA cup under Arteta I’ll take your season compared to our 3rd place and CL football.

we finished 2nd under Jose and under Ole, we still didn’t have a good chance after of winning it. Neither did Spurs when Leicester won it ..
 
Haha, I was expecting this to be honest.

Congrats on winning the cup anyway, enjoying City getting shafted, on a bit of a Anyone But City vibe the now!
 
As a spurs fan (don't laugh) and Tottenham finishing in the top 4, including 2nd a few times, I would take a FA Cup trophy over league position everytime.

No one remembers who came 2nd, but your club name is permanently on that trophy.

Congratulations Man Utd

Of course you would, because you've won 1 Cup in 30 years or something. ;)
 
Funny rage baiting but i'm really happy United won today, feck City and everything they stand for. :D Pep got outbalded and is probably sill talking to the refs at Wembley.
That's where Arteta is going wrong. He's got no chance of beating Pep with all that hair on his head, he needs to get serious and get rid. It's no coincidence EtH has got one over Pep again
 
History books tell you the respective winners of every competition.

History books do not tell you who finished 2nd every year.

What matters in history is what you won something.
2nd place to another trophyless season is small print in the annals of history.
 
In a vacuum you'd take Uniteds season every day. We didn't win anything and the FA Cup is a major piece of silverware.

But everyone would prefer to be in Arsenals position when the ball is back in play next campaign. Wouldn't trade where we are or where we're heading.
 
Why’s he being compared to Arteta? He’s won more trophies than him in less amount of time. He’s also had to deal with a lot more than Arteta. Not a fair comparison really yet ETH still comes out on top.
Didn't Arteta finish 8th in his first 2 seasons? And then he bottled a Top4 spot from a 12 point lead in his third?
 
Ten Hag:
  • Trophies won: Carabao Cup, FA Cup
  • League position finish in the first 2 seasons: 2022/23: 3rd; 2023/24: 8th
  • Total money spent: €445m
  • Win percentage: 57.5%
  • Manager of the month: 3 times in 2 seasons
Arteta:
  • Trophies won: FA Cup
  • League position finish in the first 2 seasons: 2019/20: 8th; 2020/21: 8th; 2021/22: 5th; 2022/23: 2nd; 2023/24: 2nd
  • Total money spent: €683m
  • Win percentage: 59.5%
  • Manager of the month: 7 times in 5 seasons
Ten Hag's 2 years reign at United has seen more consistent success in terms of trophies won, league position, and promoting youth players compared to Arteta's time at Arsenal. This is not an opinion. It’s a fact.
 
Also Arteta been at Arsenal since 2019, ETH joined united mid 2022 and yet in terms of trophies ETH pisses all over Arteta and shags his wife
 
Sorry to say, but comparing Arteta to Ten Hag is a slight on Ten Hag. EtH is the better manager by some distance. Arteta has the benefit of stability as Arsenal’s football operations seem to be much better than hours, but Ten Hag has been a lot more successful in his career than Arteta has. Would love to see each club’s success if the roles were reversed and Ten Hag was at the club with a more structured football approach.
 
Go make a poll
i dunno if a poll right now is a good idea. i'm so fecking high from that cup win right now - but looking back in a few months on the season and finishing 6th as a whole it'll seem like a shit season
 
ETH is great, I hope he stays at united for a long time.
 
In a vacuum you'd take Uniteds season every day. We didn't win anything and the FA Cup is a major piece of silverware.

But everyone would prefer to be in Arsenals position when the ball is back in play next campaign. Wouldn't trade where we are or where we're heading.
Ya that’s fair enough.
 
No kink shaming, mate.

just trying to get into the mind of someone who watched those celebrations earlier and thought “geez, i’d swap this all for a second placed finish.”
 
Ten Hag:
  • Trophies won: Carabao Cup, FA Cup
  • League position finish in the first 2 seasons: 2022/23: 3rd; 2023/24: 8th
  • Total money spent: €445m
  • Win percentage: 57.5%
  • Manager of the month: 3 times in 2 seasons
Arteta:
  • Trophies won: FA Cup
  • League position finish in the first 2 seasons: 2019/20: 8th; 2020/21: 8th; 2021/22: 5th; 2022/23: 2nd; 2023/24: 2nd
  • Total money spent: €683m
  • Win percentage: 59.5%
  • Manager of the month: 7 times in 5 seasons
Ten Hag's 2 years reign at United has seen more consistent success in terms of trophies won, league position, and promoting youth players compared to Arteta's time at Arsenal. This is not an opinion. It’s a fact.
First season was not Arteta's full season, nor did he get make any signings. And won the FA cup, since you're rating it so highly.

Second season he finished 8th, then 5th, then 2nd and then improved the points this season. All the while winning the FA cup. It was this very forum which used to snide at the Carling Cup and now its a serious trophy :wenger:

While a cup win is great but long term means nothing, I was there when we blitzed a few FA cups under Wenger 10 years ago and meant feck all, the club went backward and almost ended up midtable. Nothing in your post is 'fact'. You've gone reverse in your league position as time have went on under ETH than we did with Arteta. The 'youth' player thing, after spending half a billion (none of them on youth players) if that's the positivity then go for it!


Saying that I was supporting United today, feck City and their cheating. Absolutely delighted they got shafted. Hopefully Pep fecks off next season and City get done for every year they have cheated.
 
Anybody who says they wouldn't swap seasons with arsenal is lying, be real.

2 mickey mouse trophies, a complete mess of a club and dreams of escaping the banter era vs 2 title challenges and going into next season thinking of actually winning either the PL or CL?

They wrote their point in a stupid way, but come on. Yes of course anybody would prefer trophies over no trophies. But that's not happening in a vacuum
 
Funny rage baiting but i'm really happy United won today, feck City and everything they stand for. :D Pep got outbalded and is probably sill talking to the refs at Wembley.
Good man, yeah, feck city. As much as I hate Liverpool and yourselves, I have respect for ye. They're just cheating cnuts
 
I've been letting things slide several time Rimaldo.

Stop with the personal insult. If you dont want to read my post go put me on ignore.

feck you for bringing my wife into this

it was just a question. just trying to understand the twisted mind of someone who’d rather finish second than win a trophy. though i suspect it’s the same kind of person who’d then want a manager sacked for only finishing second.
 
First season was not Arteta's full season, nor did he get make any signings. And won the FA cup, since you're rating it so highly.

Second season he finished 8th, then 5th, then 2nd and then improved the points this season. All the while winning the FA cup. It was this very forum which used to snide at the Carling Cup and now its a serious trophy :wenger:

While a cup win is great but long term means nothing, I was there when we blitzed a few FA cups under Wenger 10 years ago and meant feck all, the club went backward and almost ended up midtable. Nothing in your post is 'fact'. You've gone reverse in your league position as time have went on under ETH than we did with Arteta. The 'youth' player thing, after spending half a billion (none of them on youth players) if that's the positivity then go for it!


Saying that I was supporting United today, feck City and their cheating. Absolutely delighted they got shafted. Hopefully Pep fecks off next season and City get done for every year they have cheated.
What I wrote is actually factual:

Yes, Arteta joined Arsenal in December 2019 and finished the season in 8th place, while Ten Hag finished in 3rd place in his first season. That’s a fact.

In their second seasons, both finished in 8th place. That’s a fact.

Ten Hag has won 2 trophies in 2 seasons, compared to Arteta’s 1 trophy in 5 seasons. That’s also a fact.

Ten Hag has placed his trust in and given first team opportunities to Kobbie and Garnacho. That's a fact. They are poised to be key players for both United’s future success and for their national teams. That's my opinion :cool:
 
What I wrote is actually factual:

Yes, Arteta joined Arsenal in December 2019 and finished the season in 8th place, while Ten Hag finished in 3rd place in his first season. That’s a fact.

In their second seasons, both finished in 8th place. That’s a fact.

Ten Hag has won 2 trophies in 2 seasons, compared to Arteta’s 1 trophy in 5 seasons. That’s also a fact.

Ten Hag has placed his trust in and given first team opportunities to Kobbie and Garnacho. That's a fact. They are poised to be key players for both United’s future success and for their national teams. That's my opinion :cool:
So none of this is fact as you acknowledge in your last 3 words.

Your worst league campaign in recent history
Half a billion spent on aging crocks
League position worsening every year
The same trophy which Arteta also won and which means nothing as shown when Wenger won it 4 times last 10 years and our league seasons were a joke


Feck City and like I said I'd rather United than City but nothing you said is factual
 
So none of this is fact as you acknowledge in your last 3 words.

Your worst league campaign in recent history
Half a billion spent on aging crocks
League position worsening every year
The same trophy which Arteta also won and which means nothing as shown when Wenger won it 4 times last 10 years and our league seasons were a joke


Feck City and like I said I'd rather United than City but nothing you said is factual

Actually, most of what he said is indeed factual.
 
Feck City and like I said I'd rather United than City but nothing you said is factual

How is that not factual :lol:

Everything he said is factual information, just lacks context to give any meaningful info