Unfortunately a lot of people believe that.
Arsenal - 2024/25
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Unfortunately a lot of people believe that.
Then Arsenal aren’t a big club. How the hell can a manager at a large club not be under pressure to deliver a trophy? You play to win FFS.
Agreed. Rooney was a world class player when he was 5.
These types of answers are only proving that I'm right.
Ødegaard is the heart of Arsenal. Fantastic player.
Arteta ans Edu is one of the best partnerships in the world of football.
Arteta ans Edu is one of the best partnerships in the world of football.
Exactly. If you sack a coach right now or even in a few years, who are you going to replace him with that's better? There's such a dearth of available, high quality managers out there right now that anything would be a downgrade. Ancellotti ain't leaving Madrid to come to Arsenal. You think Klopp is coming back to the PL to coach arsenal? You think Pep is coming? Zidane? After that who's available that's an upgrade to arteta right now? You can take a gamble on Conte or Tuchel but their resumes suggest they'll burn their relationships in a year or two max, and that's not what the club wants.
Personally, I'm probably willing to give Arteta either two seasons after Pep leaves City to win the league or CL or two seasons where there is a significant drop in PL and CL performance that indicates a hard ceiling for Aretata, and this is irrespective of what he does in any domestic cup. I simply don't care about the FA Cup. Part of that is that I'm not convinced Arsenal can sign any manager that would be hands down better than Arteta. For instance, I don't think Xabi Alonso would realistically come to Arsenal so no matter what happens this season, I wouldn't be willing to sack Arteta to gamble on the 2nd tier manager we would probably sign.
For league progress, I'm thinking points. If Arteta can get Arsenal to 93 points this season but Pep still gets City to 94 then I'd say that's still progress because its more points than last season even if it's still 2nd.
It was to a lot of us Arsenal fans though. It seemed clear that Wenger had hard plateaued and wasn't going to win the league again. Ozil signing was skeptical at the time because we already had Santi in that AMC position as our best remaining player and it seemed obvious that it would pose some tactical problems trying to fit Santi and Ozil into the same side. It felt like a luxury signing that wouldn't give some of the steel and grit that side needed. The closest Wenger came to winning the league in his later years was that 15-16 anomaly where he actually managed to finished second but with 71 points, which was 10 points off the winners and the winners were Leicester City! At the time, a lot of us thought, that was closest Wenger got to the league in years and the best he could muster was 71 points and losing to Leicester City's unicorn year. So no, I didn't think those FA Cups meant much even at the time. As I keep saying I've enjoyed the last two years under Arteta far more than suffering through the Wenger years of winning 3 of 4 FA Cups and only getting 4th, 3rd, and 5th in league (plus that in between season he finished 2nd to Leicester City at 71 points).
The fact that we came up short last year is more of a testament in my opinion to how ridiculously strong Man City is than us being deficient. You have a team that has won 6 in the last 7 and has looked absolutely dominant doing in. They have scored an average of 92 points in doing it. We were nowhere near when the 2022-2023 season kicked off and we are now at least temporarily in the same breath.
Whatever asterisk we can place on City, the fact is that Arsenal only deals with the end result and that is that City is the most dominant club in the PL.
It is not a knock on Arteta that we came up short but rather impressive again that he managed to improve on the previous season.
It's pretty clear to me we need to be in the mid 90s to win this, and I dont personally think we have it in us. We are not at that level, but if we finish on 92 and we come up short again, is that really a failing of Arteta or again more of a....tip your hat to City thing?(Ignoring the fact that they have cheated to get to this point)
Whatever asterisk we can place on City, the fact is that Arsenal only deals with the end result and that is that City is the most dominant club in the PL.
It is not a knock on Arteta that we came up short but rather impressive again that he managed to improve on the previous season.
It's pretty clear to me we need to be in the mid 90s to win this, and I dont personally think we have it in us. We are not at that level, but if we finish on 92 and we come up short again, is that really a failing of Arteta or again more of a....tip your hat to City thing?(Ignoring the fact that they have cheated to get to this point)
Sounds like Arteta is about to sign another long term contract extension.
I know that people are acting like arteta could be on the hot seat in a year or so if he doesn't win a title. And I know the Kroenkes fired Emery after 2 seasons. But their record as sports owners suggests that they give coaches/managers a pretty very long leash. And all reports suggest that they have a great relationship with mikel. Especially josh who runs the club. I wouldn't expect their to be significant heat on mikel for a 3 years at minimum and that's if he starts missing the champions league
I know that people are acting like arteta could be on the hot seat in a year or so if he doesn't win a title. And I know the Kroenkes fired Emery after 2 seasons. But their record as sports owners suggests that they give coaches/managers a pretty very long leash. And all reports suggest that they have a great relationship with mikel. Especially josh who runs the club. I wouldn't expect their to be significant heat on mikel for a 3 years at minimum and that's if he starts missing the champions league
Fair points. Arsenal sticking by Arteta has probably influenced other clubs to ride it out a little longer before sacking their manager. He's shown you can get things right in your third season. Hopefully the sacking culture of managers might slowly change. All to do with the points at the end of day.
I hear you. Literally the same thought process of United sticking with Ten Hag, who out there, is available and better.
Bogie team Emery next, Arteta never seems comfortable against him. This season will be really tough, I just dont want city to win it this year.
If it helps I don’t want Arteta to leave Arsenal, nobody really cares, because he hasn’t proven he’s one of the best managers in the world yet. I’m more than happy for our rivals to stick with managers that don’t win trophies. It’s up to Arteta to prove that he is as good as Pep, Jose, Fergie, Klopp etc.
Yea...im nervous on this one. Emery definitely seems to be ready for our matches. Pretty much derailed our title challenge last year. Like we didnt have enough with the london rivalries we had to manufacture one with Villa. And then we have Spurs and City away next month. Certainly did not have the easiest start schedule wise.
I certainly though so, when I bought "Leo Messi" in FA Manager for my Juventus team. Sadly even after managing him for 8 years in game, the poor chap's stats didn't take him beyond a 70 rating.
Villa’s second half at the Emirates might’ve been the best I saw anyone in the Prem play last season, couldn’t believe how they came out and dominated after a wobbly first half
Yeah, it was a strange game. From general play we should have been a goal or 2 up first half, think we dominated, some wasteful finishing (Trossard missed a bit of a sitter) and wrong decisions costing us, yet we gifted Watkins an opening and we're lucky to see it come back off the inside of the post. 2nd half we struggled to create, Tielemans hit the woodwork again with a great effort, and we just became more ragged as the game went on, and Villa punished us with 2 late goals within a couple of minutes of each other.
Player for player, I honestly think our squad on paper is as good/or a touch better than Arsenal this season (Saka, Rice, Saliba, Zinchenko the only clear upgrades on what we already have).
As long as we can keep players fit, it's all on Ten Hag to get us playing good football.
As long as we can keep players fit, it's all on Ten Hag to get us playing good football.
does this speak more to how amazing Arteta is as a manager that he can challenge city with a worse squad than united? Or does it speak to how bad ten hag is that he could only get 8th with a squad better than arsenals?
United has a CB pairing that rivals ours?
Not sure Zinny is an upgrade on much.aleays interesting to see how rival fans see our players.
Not sure Zinny is an upgrade on much.aleays interesting to see how rival fans see our players.
Zinchenko definitely seems the odd one out there, I don't know if I'd rate him above Shaw
I'd say Shaw is the better player overall, but he's never fit.
Arteta has done a great job, but you had a far more balanced squad than us for the last couple of years. If we land Ugarte, there's not much reason why Ten Hag shouldn't be getting similar performances out the team. We'll see...
That being said, history remembers silverware not performances. Arteta really needs to win something this year.
Finally. We don't half like to drag a transfer out sometimes.
Shaw is miles better than Zinchenko, I actually find the comparison quite insulting to Shaw
Apart from that, a combined 11 would overwhelmingly be favoured towards Arsenal imo.
Raya
White Saliba Gabriel Shaw
Odegaard Rice Bruno
Saka Havertz ?
Martinelli/Trossard/Rashford/Garnacho. Which of those 4 would grab the last LW spot.
Havertz vs Hojlund, I'd say at the moment that is Havertz's spot, but that could change potentially.
Shaw is miles better than Zinchenko, I actually find the comparison quite insulting to Shaw
Apart from that, a combined 11 would overwhelmingly be favoured towards Arsenal imo.
Raya
White Saliba Gabriel Shaw
Odegaard Rice Bruno
Saka Havertz ?
Martinelli/Trossard/Rashford/Garnacho. Which of those 4 would grab the last LW spot.
Havertz vs Hojlund, I'd say at the moment that is Havertz's spot, but that could change potentially.
Now you've done it, you've put Gabriel in instead of Martinez!
Any two from Martinez, De Ligt and Yoro will be as good as anything in the league.
That was my ManUtd supporter and surprised me too. I would probably pick Shaw over Zinny, although I have higher hopes for Cala.Shaw is miles better than Zinchenko, I actually find the comparison quite insulting to Shaw
Apart from that, a combined 11 would overwhelmingly be favoured towards Arsenal imo.
Raya
White Saliba Gabriel Shaw
Odegaard Rice Bruno
Saka Havertz ?
Martinelli/Trossard/Rashford/Garnacho. Which of those 4 would grab the last LW spot.
Havertz vs Hojlund, I'd say at the moment that is Havertz's spot, but that could change potentially.
At the moment our CB pairing are significantly ahead of a Man Utd one...that could change as they just brought in a couple new ones, but for the time being no way. At the moment the CBs I would say are the biggest difference between the two teams. Yoro looks like a goos one for the future, but we will have to wait and see. That LW spot would definitely be up for grabs. Prefer Havertz at the moment as well.
mikel merino deal finally seems done. Our boy is on his way for his medical and handsome photoshoots. Sounds like the club is determined to buy another winger even if it's just someone comfortable coming in off the bench
Need that winger backup sharpish. Saka needs better management of his playing time.
Sterling is coming.
Annoyingly efficient feckers. Impressive result.
Fine margins. Good subs by Arteta changed the game for them and gave them more urgency after a meh 60 minutes.
Great game. Great win. Trossard needs to start. Or should he be a super sub? Partey looked great. Will he be dropped for Merino? And Calafiori looks the business as a defender. I think he takes over at LB after the international break. Hell yeah
Arsenal need to win a major trophy this season. They are now a very expensively assembled and experienced squad.
Still need a top striker. Martinelli really need to step up, he is a shadow of the player he was before injury.
Hot take: Arsenal will finish with a league record low for goals conceded this season. No reason why they can’t concede 14 or less with their structure and personnel.
15 goals less than last season seems impossible honestly, that record will stand for a while
Edu and Arteta need to find somebody to cover for Saka. Finding a Trossard clone on the right would be amazing.
a proper individual match winner on the left like Kvara instead of Martinelli would tip them above City
I keep saying that the team is a representation of the manager’s mindset and personality. You see that with Arsenal.
You see the same with ETH at United, it’s been three years and we have conceded the most 90+mins goals out of any PL team.
You see the same with ETH at United, it’s been three years and we have conceded the most 90+mins goals out of any PL team.