They don't need to win all of their games, Arsenal are not closing the gap. Arsenal are battling top 4 this season, they won't be in the title race. Even if Liverpool start to drop points, Arsenal don't look good enough this season to put up a long winning run.
Arne Slot | Liverpool manager (Posture Watch)
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They don't need to win all of their games, Arsenal are not closing the gap. Arsenal are battling top 4 this season, they won't be in the title race. Even if Liverpool start to drop points, Arsenal don't look good enough this season to put up a long winning run.
It was more about how good Klopp was rather than the team.
However; what Slot is doing is showing Klopp was not the big factor? The same team last season only won the league cup?
Under Slot, they are free scoring and winning almost every game.
You could be right. Same was said last season mind you and we won 14 from 16. But 7 points behind them already to them does look ominous, I must say. They have a difficult run in but they could have built up enough momentum / belief or even points gap that carries them through that, whether it's us or City chasing them.
Surely City will receive at least some points deduction penalty though? Or will that drag out?
The bubble will burst. There playing with no pressure at moment. Wait until March/April, when they always bottle it. One title in 30 years backs it up!
I don't think one takes away from another. Someone can build a fantastic company from the bones of a shit one but that doesn't mean that when they step down and a new guy comes in and they have a new resurgence that it wasn't massively built off the first guys work.
Klopp built this side. Transformed Liverpool into what they are now. Instilled the work ethic and mentality into them. Slot has come in and tweaked a few things and is a new manager. When he buys some players. Replaces some of this lot and has had a season or two to put his mark on the squad and personnel I think we might find out he isn't quite the second coming of Christ some seem to be suggesting.
To put it another way, does anyone seriously think Slot is remotely as good as Klopp was?
Exactly.
Fagon took over Paisley and won the Eupoean Cup. Is Fagon ever mentioned in the list of great managers. ? Nope!
He's really not, he plays who's in-form. Has switched between Jota/Nunez and Diaz/Gakpo up front (rested the South Americans after the international break), between Tsimikas/Robertson in defence (mainly because Robertson seemingly has lost a step or two) and in goal (out of necessity to be fair). Even in midfield it's been a switch Curtis Jones has featured a lot apart from the standard midfield trio of Gravenberch/Szoboszlai/Mac Allister, I'm sure Elliott would've played too if not for the injury, and guys like Endo are starting cup games.
If anything I've been pleasantly surprised with his squad management so far.
I was wrong with my earlier criticism of the guy. He's hit the ground running. Yes he inherited a very strong squad of players. However that said he's proving to be a master in utilising what he's been given and making the most out of it. Very proactive!
But to counter that, Paisley took over from Shankly and did even better, that's not to say that either was a better manager than the other, just that they provided a run of continued success.
I think that Slot looks like he fits us perfectly at the moment. Yes, there'll be big tests, but it's still impressive that he seems to have come in, not really made any signings and has added tweaks here and there to an already well-run machine - sometimes it can be just as impressive that a coach assesses what they have at their disposal, and realises that it doesn't need ripping up completely, just tweaking.
If there is a points deduction, I don't think the FA will want a repeat of the Everton & Forest fiasco where the clubs were being handed down points deductions in the middle of the season, which were being increased and decreased at various times and no one knew what the final outcome would be.
For that reason, I don't think a points deduction will be applied for this season, especially if it materially affects the title race, but rather it will be applied to take effect from the start of next season. That's a big IF by the way because City have a habit of getting away with things and they will try every trick in the book to drag it out for the whole of next season.
They are going to walk the league. Congrats.
You are seething with Sots start at Liverpool, I like it
Time will tell
At this moment in time, with regards too the Squad Slot has, he is enjoying the fruits of Klopps labour in assembling this team, Slot is just merely doing a great job at making it all continue to work, if not making the operation of the team even better this far, but make no mistake this is Klopps team still obviously.
But as good as Klopp? He’ll have too win many things and even assemble his own elite football squad for that, time will only tell
Quadruple is on. Top of the PL, top of the CL, favourable draw against Saints in the Carabao Cup.
City won a treble. Then won 4 in a row. Our achievements are slowly falling by the wayside. It would have to be these cnuts which surpass it.
City won a treble. Then won 4 in a row. Our achievements are slowly falling by the wayside. It would have to be these cnuts which surpass it.
Liverpool are very much a momentum side. When its going good for them, it goes very good for them. But similarly, this group have shown their form can fall off a cliff too. I wouldn't worry too much about them just yet, they haven't been brought into the trenches yet and the human thumb is very much still in the honeymoon period.
Although they've been winning, it seemed like they were just about doing enough to scrape though games and win rather than looking like some unstoppable force. But to win this many games is really impressive.
I can't even dislike him, he seems a likeable bloke. Goddammit.
I can't even dislike him, he seems a likeable bloke. Goddammit.
I think you’re right. I liked Klopp but can 100% see why people wouldn’t. Slot is far more beige.
I think he's a bald prick, but each to their own.
You're right. But the feckers also rode the momentum to two 95+points under Klopp plus a CL and PL title before falling off a cliff.
I'm sickened he's doing so well to be honest. Thought there would be a decline post Klopp, though still think it probably will eventually come.
Never expected this guy to do so well.
I am amazed and saddened at the same time.
They just seem more composed and more solid in defense than the years under Klopp.
I am amazed and saddened at the same time.
They just seem more composed and more solid in defense than the years under Klopp.
Liverpool fans should get some perspective, it’s on 16 games.
Also, Amorim beat City 4-1 with his current team…let’s go nuts!!
Also, Amorim beat City 4-1 with his current team…let’s go nuts!!
First ten premier league games:
23/24 Klopp: 7 win - 2 draws - 1 lose / Goal: 23:9 / xG: 1.8 - xGA: 0.8 / Avg Possession: 56.7 / Rank: #4
24/25 Slot : 8 win - 1 draw - 1 lose / Goal: 19:6 / xG: 2.22 - xGA: 1.21 / Avg Possession: 57 / Rank: #1
Reference from: fbref & transfermarkt
Klopp tuned well the foundation and left out a not bad squad to Slot which sit 3nd last season
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This is exactly how they won the title under Klopp. Liverpool find a way, that's just how it is.
When they won the league under Klopp they had an expected points of 74, expected goals of 75 and expected goals against of 39 (all rounded down) What they actually got was 99 pts (+25), 85 gf (+10) 33 ga (+ 6).
All the signs are there its happening again but this time their underlying stats are even better.
You weren't - well, I'm not sure what your criticism was - but their early form was a bit jammy, they had kind fixtures, those things were true. It's allowed them to pick up steam and gain momentum and they're looking good now. Still somewhat lucky (cf. Brighton last week) and Salah being in great form is helpful, but they're doing well. There's something about it all that just screams to me it's not going to be sustained over the course of the season... but that might just be blind hope
Definitely not. You can't compare what the cheats have accomplished to what we legitimately achieved.
I’m curious, what more could he possibly do to be doing a ‘great job’? He’s won 14 of his 16 games in charge including a complete demolition of Leverkusen and United, away wins at Milan and Leipzig in Europe and he’s certainly solidified this Liverpool side defensively.
Not to mention they’re top of the Premier League and Champions League. The only blot against his record is a surprising home defeat against Forest. A point at Arsenal is a good result in the grand scheme of things - despite their injuries.
It’s hugely impressive whether he inherited a great squad or not. Bear in mind he’s only added one player in Chiesa and he’s barely featured. You run the risk of the team going stale if you don’t make any additions. He’s managed to avoid that whilst improving certain players - Gravenberch and Jones for example. Whilst Diaz has hit another level under Slot.
Do we just constantly dismiss all the supposed ‘tough’ games they’ve played so far and won/got a result? Milan, Chelsea, Leverkusen, Brighton, United away (yes, we’re shite but it’s still a huge fixture and they demolished us), Arsenal…
It’s ridiculous how this narrative gets churned out when they’ve been annoyingly near perfect for about three months. Suspect they’re very much the real deal.
Listen, they are still a very good team. If you didn't get the tone of my post, i was kind of making my observation in hope rather than expectation.
However, as a very good team, I expect to win most of their home games. Games like Brighton, Chelsea at home I expect them to win. Villa coming up this weekend I expect them to win. Any home games where points are dropped are basically seen as a disappointment in this league when challenging for the league.
Being able to win away games Vs the top half teams are what really separates the wheat from the chaff. As far as I can see they've played 1 team in the top 12 away from home so far, Vs Arsenal, and being admittedly biased, I'm not sure they get that point at Arsenal if we don't have that makeshift defence at the end of the game. I do appreciate Utd is a big game still, but with all due respect, I'd rather play an ETH Utd team than a potentially rejuvenated Almiron team.
Just for comparisons sake, after this weekend Arsenal will have been away to 6 of the top 12, City, Chelsea, Spurs, Villa, Bournemouth and Newcastle. However, Arsenal's results in these games have been mixed, and is why we find themselves where we are. All I'm saying is these are the games I'd really like to judge Liverpool in, and yeah, the way they are playing they might do really well in them as well.
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So Arsenal are the chaff going by your own criteria.
That was meant to be wheat of course in that saying.
I did say results have been mixed, that's why we find ourselves 7 points behind already. Our win vs Villa cancels out a defeat against Bournemouth in terms of points totals of these games in comparison to last season. The dropped points at home to Brighton and Liverpool are more disappointing.
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Observing his post-match converence where he breakdown the how games unfolded and any tactical changes happening, it's quite clear that the man's got good footballing brain.
But that is just part of the equation.
Conveying that to his squad and make them perfom to his strategy is whole another story.
The sample size is indeed small but it's sufficient for Liverpool supporters to be optimistic about upcoming future.
They have played games from winning and losing position, conceeding early and late, home and away (EPL and Europe), against counter-attacking and possission-based teams.
It's not like they have only been playing scrubs with one-domensional way of playing.
Their latest win against Xabi's Leverkusun is impressive.
But that is just part of the equation.
Conveying that to his squad and make them perfom to his strategy is whole another story.
The sample size is indeed small but it's sufficient for Liverpool supporters to be optimistic about upcoming future.
They have played games from winning and losing position, conceeding early and late, home and away (EPL and Europe), against counter-attacking and possission-based teams.
It's not like they have only been playing scrubs with one-domensional way of playing.
Their latest win against Xabi's Leverkusun is impressive.
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It's a hell of a honeymoon period he's enjoying, reminds me of Jose's first season at Chelsea. Someone needs to give them a good hammering.
Results are good, I’ll give him some credit for that. But the guy is boring as hell.
Do you mean him talking or his football? I haven't seen them play much, in fact I think I've only seen their game against us.
I don’t think his football is anything like Klopp. I would call it less adventurous and more conservative. Some would probably see it somewhat boring.
But I meant him. His very dull imo. Not stupid or anything, just not entertaining. Duller version of Rangnick.
Liked Klopp obviously but he had become tiresome in the last couple of years with his continuous rants. Nice to have a calmer person in charge for a change, both managers probably reflect their teams styles, controlled under Slot but wouldn't say boring.
He's about 10 times as entertaining as Klopp for anyone interested in the reasoning that went behind various decisions before and during the game.
Probably the first coach I've seen in a long time who clearly outlines concrete tactics and strategies (both his and the opponents') in his post match interviews.
The other managers just stick to recycling between intensity, passion, process, work hard, not thinking too far ahead, and feck the ref.