Arne Slot | Liverpool manager (Posture Watch)

erikcred said:
The Hungarian's mediocre, sure, but what rubbish is this? :lol:

Bruno's a nailed-on starter for which title winning side? Are you talking about the future?
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I'm not interested in the usual Bruno is shit/a problem/not good enough etc. conversations. You know what I meant and you are free to disagree.
 
Rojofiam said:
I know, but those two teams are struggling right now, and Liverpool don't have a title winning squad, just like they didn't have one last season. But this season they're likely to come closer than last season.

However:

All 4 of their best players still have uncertain futures at the club and it's December. Salah, van Dijk, Trent, Alisson.

Alisson is injury prone. Kelleher is a good number 2 but not someone who can start for a team that wins the PL with 90+ pts and wins the CL too.

Konaté + van Dijk is a title winning level pairing but the drop-off is big if one of them is unavailable.

Robertson has started declining at LB and Tsimikas is not a good enough alternative either.

Gravenberch has done well as a makeshift #6 but once again, there are just way better DMs in the league and across Europe.

Szoboszlai is a good #10 but once again, not on the level of a nailed-on starter for a title winning side. That's KDB/Bruno level, he's not there.

Mac Allister is a solid player, a jack of all trades but master of none. Once again, not someone you can play for 50+ games in a season and still expect to win one of the two major trophies. He can be an important player for such a team, but not a nailed-on starter.

Same situation in the forward line IMO. Gakpo and Díaz are pretty good, but only Salah is on that level that's worthy of being a starter for a top 3 team in the world. Núnez could be that guy up front, but he's not first choice under Slot and I reckon him and Salah would take some goals away from each other even if he became first choice.

They would need a lot of luck even from their current position in order to win the PL. They needed Zubimendi plus at least 1-2 more top level signings in order to have a real chance IMO. This team is getting carried by Alisson, Trent, van Dijk, and Salah. The rest is good but not title-winning quality. I expect them to go on a bad streak whilst Arsenal, and maybe even City go on a good run which will make it a two or three-horse race again, with Liverpool losing out in the end.

Slot is an excellent manager, though, but he needed more backing in the summer and it will come back to bite them IMO.
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With all respect mate, this post of yours is utterly nonsense and nothing less than delusional.

''Kelleher would not start for a team that wins the PL''

He has saved a lot of 1 vs 1's for Liverpool already while Allison is out, no idea what else he should do better to deserve a first spot.

''Konaté + van Dijk is a title winning level pairing but the drop-off is big if one of them is unavailable''

He got in twice after Konaté got injured, I don't remember against who the first time but Konate had his hand injured and Gomez did just as good, arguably even better since he shifted way more into midfield than Konate. Last match he fell in for Konate again, 0 dropoff. So your whole point is nonsense.

''Robertson has started declining at LB and Tsimikas is not a good enough alternative either.''

Nonsense as well, although there seems to be a bit of a drop off with Robertson, Arne Slot said it's due to him not having a proper off-season, so we'll have to see wether it's a drop off in quality or just a lack of pre season. About Tsimikas, he has proven himself to be a more than good enough back up for Robertson, he even got man of the match in a CL match.

''Gravenberch has done well as a makeshift #6 but once again, there are just way better DMs in the league and across Europe.''

Name me 1 better (current playing DM) than Gravenberch in the premier league, and please back it up with stats, not out of thin air or your delusional opinion.


''Szoboszlai is a good #10 but once again, not on the level of a nailed-on starter for a title winning side. That's KDB/Bruno level, he's not there.''

Do I really have to remind you that this Liverpool midfield completely SMOKED your midfield? Szoboszlai was leading the press that completely destroyed yours. Do I also have to remind you that Bruno did NOTHING USEFUL that entire match? Szobo never lets the team down, can't say the same about Bruno. Come on..

''Mac Allister is a solid player, a jack of all trades but master of none. Once again, not someone you can play for 50+ games in a season and still expect to win one of the two major trophies. He can be an important player for such a team, but not a nailed-on starter.''

Do I even have to respond to this?

''Same situation in the forward line IMO. Gakpo and Díaz are pretty good, but only Salah is on that level that's worthy of being a starter for a top 3 team in the world. Núnez could be that guy up front, but he's not first choice under Slot and I reckon him and Salah would take some goals away from each other even if he became first choice.''

We all know Salah is world class, but the position LW is pretty close in numbers compared to RW, Salah plays all matches, but it's either Diaz or Gakpo on LW (besides the 2 matches that diaz started as number 9) and together they contribute almost the same numbers as Salah from RW. Diaz would literally start for any team at the LW position in the premier league, but anyways.

''They would need a lot of luck even from their current position in order to win the PL. They needed Zubimendi plus at least 1-2 more top level signings in order to have a real chance IMO. This team is getting carried by Alisson, Trent, van Dijk, and Salah. The rest is good but not title-winning quality. I expect them to go on a bad streak whilst Arsenal, and maybe even City go on a good run which will make it a two or three-horse race again, with Liverpool losing out in the end.''

So you think it's ALWAYS the best 11 individuals that wins trophies, not the best teams?

Mate, sorry to say but you're delusional. Nothing wrong to be realistic about your rivals, but whatever makes you sleep better at night;)
 
locomojito said:
With all respect mate, this post of yours is utterly nonsense and nothing less than delusional.

''Kelleher would not start for a team that wins the PL''

He has saved a lot of 1 vs 1's for Liverpool already while Allison is out, no idea what else he should do better to deserve a first spot.

''Konaté + van Dijk is a title winning level pairing but the drop-off is big if one of them is unavailable''

He got in twice after Konaté got injured, I don't remember against who the first time but Konate had his hand injured and Gomez did just as good, arguably even better since he shifted way more into midfield than Konate. Last match he fell in for Konate again, 0 dropoff. So your whole point is nonsense.

''Robertson has started declining at LB and Tsimikas is not a good enough alternative either.''

Nonsense as well, although there seems to be a bit of a drop off with Robertson, Arne Slot said it's due to him not having a proper off-season, so we'll have to see wether it's a drop off in quality or just a lack of pre season. About Tsimikas, he has proven himself to be a more than good enough back up for Robertson, he even got man of the match in a CL match.

''Gravenberch has done well as a makeshift #6 but once again, there are just way better DMs in the league and across Europe.''

Name me 1 better (current playing DM) than Gravenberch in the premier league, and please back it up with stats, not out of thin air or your delusional opinion.


''Szoboszlai is a good #10 but once again, not on the level of a nailed-on starter for a title winning side. That's KDB/Bruno level, he's not there.''

Do I really have to remind you that this Liverpool midfield completely SMOKED your midfield? Szoboszlai was leading the press that completely destroyed yours. Do I also have to remind you that Bruno did NOTHING USEFUL that entire match? Szobo never lets the team down, can't say the same about Bruno. Come on..

''Mac Allister is a solid player, a jack of all trades but master of none. Once again, not someone you can play for 50+ games in a season and still expect to win one of the two major trophies. He can be an important player for such a team, but not a nailed-on starter.''

Do I even have to respond to this?

''Same situation in the forward line IMO. Gakpo and Díaz are pretty good, but only Salah is on that level that's worthy of being a starter for a top 3 team in the world. Núnez could be that guy up front, but he's not first choice under Slot and I reckon him and Salah would take some goals away from each other even if he became first choice.''

We all know Salah is world class, but the position LW is pretty close in numbers compared to RW, Salah plays all matches, but it's either Diaz or Gakpo on LW (besides the 2 matches that diaz started as number 9) and together they contribute almost the same numbers as Salah from RW. Diaz would literally start for any team at the LW position in the premier league, but anyways.

''They would need a lot of luck even from their current position in order to win the PL. They needed Zubimendi plus at least 1-2 more top level signings in order to have a real chance IMO. This team is getting carried by Alisson, Trent, van Dijk, and Salah. The rest is good but not title-winning quality. I expect them to go on a bad streak whilst Arsenal, and maybe even City go on a good run which will make it a two or three-horse race again, with Liverpool losing out in the end.''

So you think it's ALWAYS the best 11 individuals that wins trophies, not the best teams?

Mate, sorry to say but you're delusional. Nothing wrong to be realistic about your rivals, but whatever makes you sleep better at night;)
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I understand why you believe I'm delusional, although it isn't the case. Your reasoning to some of my paragraphs gives it all away. I stopped taking your post seriously when you said Szoboszlai was better than Bruno tbh. Just such a casual opinion.
 
Port Vale Devil said:
His wife/girlfriend looks horrified

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Jesus :lol:


 
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Rojofiam said:
I understand why you believe I'm delusional, although it isn't the case. Your reasoning to some of my paragraphs gives it all away. I stopped taking your post seriously when you said Szoboszlai was better than Bruno tbh. Just such a casual opinion.
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“ I understand why you believe I’m delusional, although it isn’t the case”

Same as a drug addict will never admit being an addict, so I’ll keep it short this time.

I didn’t necessarily say that Szobo is better than Bruno in a direct comparison, but I do say that Szobo is far more reliable if you consider both as 1/3 part of the midfield and he’s a guy Bruno should look to and learn from when it comes to intensity, mentality and consistency.

You wiping away the entire Liverpool midfield as “not title winning quality” and using Bruno as an example of “title winning quality” says it all. Would ‘t be surprised if you’re Gary Neville secretly

Let me tell you this mate, current Liverpool midfield allows their defenders and attackers to shine because they are monsters in supporting their defenders and attackers, that’s why they wiped away AC Milan, Real Madrid, Leverkusen, City and United with 14 goals for and only 1 against. It wouldn’t have been those numbers if it was Bruno, Casemiro and Mainoo for them instead of Gravenberch, Mac Allister and Szobo
 
This won't go down well with the Blue loons. I'd imagine both are furious.
 
Rojofiam said:
I know, but those two teams are struggling right now, and Liverpool don't have a title winning squad, just like they didn't have one last season. But this season they're likely to come closer than last season.

However:

All 4 of their best players still have uncertain futures at the club and it's December. Salah, van Dijk, Trent, Alisson.

Alisson is injury prone. Kelleher is a good number 2 but not someone who can start for a team that wins the PL with 90+ pts and wins the CL too.

Konaté + van Dijk is a title winning level pairing but the drop-off is big if one of them is unavailable.

Robertson has started declining at LB and Tsimikas is not a good enough alternative either.

Gravenberch has done well as a makeshift #6 but once again, there are just way better DMs in the league and across Europe.

Szoboszlai is a good #10 but once again, not on the level of a nailed-on starter for a title winning side. That's KDB/Bruno level, he's not there.

Mac Allister is a solid player, a jack of all trades but master of none. Once again, not someone you can play for 50+ games in a season and still expect to win one of the two major trophies. He can be an important player for such a team, but not a nailed-on starter.

Same situation in the forward line IMO. Gakpo and Díaz are pretty good, but only Salah is on that level that's worthy of being a starter for a top 3 team in the world. Núnez could be that guy up front, but he's not first choice under Slot and I reckon him and Salah would take some goals away from each other even if he became first choice.

They would need a lot of luck even from their current position in order to win the PL. They needed Zubimendi plus at least 1-2 more top level signings in order to have a real chance IMO. This team is getting carried by Alisson, Trent, van Dijk, and Salah. The rest is good but not title-winning quality. I expect them to go on a bad streak whilst Arsenal, and maybe even City go on a good run which will make it a two or three-horse race again, with Liverpool losing out in the end.

Slot is an excellent manager, though, but he needed more backing in the summer and it will come back to bite them IMO.
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Such a funny post. Kelleher? Do tell how many matches we have lost with Kelleher in goal this season, since Alisson was injured, and how many match winning saves he has made? I'll give you a clue. Alisson was in goal when we last lost a Premier league game, which was at home, to Forest, in September. Your comment about Gravenberch is also funny. Most teams don't have the best players in every position (even City and definitely not United) but I would imagine that Gravenberch's name is one of the first on the team sheet every match. Remind me how many Premierships Bruno has won after your amusing comment comparing Szoboszlai to De Bruyne and Bruno. Your opinion of Mac Allister is seriously flawed and shows you don't really know what you're talking about. Your post reminds me of someone who once famously said 'you can't win anything with kids'. This Liverpool team is just going to get better. You come across as someone who simply doesn't watch Liverpool games. If you did, you would know how important the aforementioned players are to the team.
 
Rojofiam said:
:lol: This cracked me up I admit

Btw Mainoo walks into the Liverpool midfield as
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Oh my .Could you imagine Mainoo trying to run around in Liverpool’s midfield. He be knackered and subbed off before the first half would be finished. Just stop.
 
Dave Robinson said:
Such a funny post. Kelleher? Do tell how many matches we have lost with Kelleher in goal this season, since Alisson was injured, and how many match winning saves he has made? I'll give you a clue. Alisson was in goal when we last lost a Premier league game, which was at home, to Forest, in September. Your comment about Gravenberch is also funny. Most teams don't have the best players in every position (even City and definitely not United) but I would imagine that Gravenberch's name is one of the first on the team sheet every match. Remind me how many Premierships Bruno has won after your amusing comment comparing Szoboszlai to De Bruyne and Bruno. Your opinion of Mac Allister is seriously flawed and shows you don't really know what you're talking about. Your post reminds me of someone who once famously said 'you can't win anything with kids'. This Liverpool team is just going to get better. You come across as someone who simply doesn't watch Liverpool games. If you did, you would know how important the aforementioned players are to the team.
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They're good players mate, like I said.

Sadly, your squad overall still falls short of the required quality to win the league these days.

And this is one of your last chances with this quarter of all-timer players, because Salah and van Dijk are getting closer and closer to the inevitable physical decline, if they're staying beyond this season, that is. Trent's future is also uncertain, and Alisson is probably leaving soon, because you signed Mamardashvili. A big big big rebuild is coming because you have some irreplaceable players that you will lose soon...so you better win it this season or you'll have to wait a lot of years for the next big chance.

FSG should've invested more and built a better team around those 4. You will see in a few months' time.

Btw can you remind me how many Premierships did the likes of Gerrard, Torres, Carragher, Mascherano, and Alonso win at Liverpool? Because it seems like Bruno is not good enough to play for a title winning team in your opinion (gives away that you don't know what you're talking about btw). I thought a Liverpool fan would surely think twice about what I said and understand my point. Seems like not. I suppose Son, Kane, Pogba, Özil, Sánchez, Suarez, Coutinho, Mata, Eriksen etc. these players weren't good enough either?
 
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Rojofiam said:
They're good players mate, like I said.

Sadly, your squad overall still falls short of the required quality to win the league these days.

And this is one of your last chances with this quarter of all-timer players, because Salah and van Dijk are getting closer and closer to the inevitable physical decline, if they're staying beyond this season, that is. Trent's future is also uncertain, and Alisson is probably leaving soon, because you signed Mamardashvili. A big big big rebuild is coming because you have some irreplaceable players that you will lose soon...so you better win it this season or you'll have to wait a lot of years for the next big chance.

FSG should've invested more and built a better team around those 4. You will see in a few months' time.

Btw can you remind me how many Premierships did the likes of Gerrard, Torres, Carragher, Mascherano, and Alonso win at Liverpool? Because it seems like Bruno is not good enough to play for a title winning team in your opinion (gives away that you don't know what you're talking about btw). I thought a Liverpool fan would surely think twice about what I said and understand my point. Seems like not. I suppose Son, Kane, Pogba, Özil, Sánchez, Suarez, Coutinho, Mata, Eriksen etc. these players weren't good enough either?
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It’s a different time bro, there were times that Suarez wasn’t enough to win a league but a single Robin van Persie did win the league. It’s all about the people around you and also how your rivals are performing.

This brings me back to my initial comment, it’s mostly the teams that win titles not the individuals and right now Liverpool looks like 1 heck of a team. I do agree that FSG should do more, but they are cheapasses and went for Arne Slot because of his trackrecord of overperforming. He makes players better than they really are, has done it everywhere before Liverpool and it’s even more remarkable now with Liverpool. Dirk Kuyt (or Kirk Duyt??) here can confirm this since he’s a Feyenoord fan.
 
locomojito said:
It’s a different time bro, there were times that Suarez wasn’t enough to win a league but a single Robin van Persie did win the league. It’s all about the people around you and also how your rivals are performing.

This brings me back to my initial comment, it’s mostly the teams that win titles not the individuals and right now Liverpool looks like 1 heck of a team. I do agree that FSG should do more, but they are cheapasses and went for Arne Slot because of his trackrecord of overperforming. He makes players better than they really are, has done it everywhere before Liverpool and it’s even more remarkable now with Liverpool. Dirk Kuyt (or Kirk Duyt??) here can confirm this since he’s a Feyenoord fan.
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You're just proving my point about Bruno. He's been the second best #10 in the PL behind KDB ever since he arrived from Sporting, and is a chance creation machine, much like the Belgian at City, or Trent at Liverpool. How the hell was he supposed to win the league on his own, considering the shit teams he found himself in at United? Do you think Haaland would be a PL champion if he joined United instead of City 2 years ago? Or Salah and van Dijk, if they went to United instead of Liverpool back then? Obviously not.

And I don't doubt that Liverpool got it right with Slot and he's a great manager. He's capable of delivering a league and CL title for Liverpool IMO. I was saying that their current squad will fall short in the end IMO, because I don't rate the midfield, backup CBs, left-backs, etc. as highly as others, based on 4 months of good form.
 
Rojofiam said:
You're just proving my point about Bruno. He's been the second best #10 in the PL behind KDB ever since he arrived from Sporting, and is a chance creation machine, much like the Belgian at City, or Trent at Liverpool. How the hell was he supposed to win the league on his own, considering the shit teams he found himself in at United? Do you think Haaland would be a PL champion if he joined United instead of City 2 years ago? Or Salah and van Dijk, if they went to United instead of Liverpool back then? Obviously not.

And I don't doubt that Liverpool got it right with Slot and he's a great manager. He's capable of delivering a league and CL title for Liverpool IMO. I was saying that their current squad will fall short in the end IMO, because I don't rate the midfield, backup CBs, left-backs, etc. as highly as others, based on 4 months of good form.
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Look I rate Bruno highly and I watch just as many Man Utd matches as I watch Liverpool’s (literally every match), but I’m not fond of his inconsistency and lack of intensity in this era of time. He tracks back depending on his mood, gives a world class pass one day and does nothing considerable the next day. You really really need to be a perfect midfielder these days to be able to truly thrive in the premier league, if you don’t have the legs or the attitude to track back you’re opening the team to concede considerable amounts of goals.

So offensively yeah he’s great, but on the receiving end of a counter you can’t rely on him where Liverpool ALL track back sprinting their asses off, even a Nunez who’s often 1 of the quickest back in his own box. Just my opinion
 
Rojofiam said:
You're just proving my point about Bruno. He's been the second best #10 in the PL behind KDB ever since he arrived from Sporting, and is a chance creation machine, much like the Belgian at City, or Trent at Liverpool. How the hell was he supposed to win the league on his own, considering the shit teams he found himself in at United? Do you think Haaland would be a PL champion if he joined United instead of City 2 years ago? Or Salah and van Dijk, if they went to United instead of Liverpool back then? Obviously not.

And I don't doubt that Liverpool got it right with Slot and he's a great manager. He's capable of delivering a league and CL title for Liverpool IMO. I was saying that their current squad will fall short in the end IMO, because I don't rate the midfield, backup CBs, left-backs, etc. as highly as others, based on 4 months of good form.
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I think the argument that Szoboszlai brings more stability to the the midfield three for Liverpool than Bruno does for United is entirely valid - and correct. That doesn't mean Szoboszlai is better, Bruno clearly is, but I think it's safe to say that Liverpool would not be as compact and balanced with Bruno if you switched the two players.
 
locomojito said:
Look I rate Bruno highly and I watch just as many Man Utd matches as I watch Liverpool’s (literally every match), but I’m not fond of his inconsistency and lack of intensity in this era of time. He tracks back depending on his mood, gives a world class pass one day and does nothing considerable the next day. You really really need to be a perfect midfielder these days to be able to truly thrive in the premier league, if you don’t have the legs or the attitude to track back you’re opening the team to concede considerable amounts of goals.

So offensively yeah he’s great, but on the receiving end of a counter you can’t rely on him where Liverpool ALL track back sprinting their asses off, even a Nunez who’s often 1 of the quickest back in his own box. Just my opinion
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Grand Vizier said:
I think the argument that Szoboszlai brings more stability to the the midfield three for Liverpool than Bruno does for United is entirely valid - and correct. That doesn't mean Szoboszlai is better, Bruno clearly is, but I think it's safe to say that Liverpool would not be as compact and balanced with Bruno if you switched the two players.
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I think Bruno has been misused ever since Ole got sacked. He should be playing very high at all times and be close to the final third. They are different profiles but overall I'd consider Bruno a better player and a more valuable profile. United would probably get worse if the two players were swapped and Liverpool too, because they'd have to rearrange the team dynamics with Bruno. Although this season Szoboszlai has been playing a more similar role to Bruno than under Klopp IMO.
 
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