Are you confident of success in the INEOS era?

Not anymore.

They came in, said all the right things, made a lot of the right moves, but they've ignored the massive elephant in the room and threw away yet another perfectly salvageable season as a result.
 
INEOS curse as soon as they buy a football club they do worse than manage to make it worse, what was considered poor at 5th-7th previously is now considered elite, this club under ETH is a shambles, playing well means you put the ball in the net, they can’t score goals and we’ve built very average players like Garnaucho up to be the next big thing which he is not.

SACK ETH and give RVN the job this evening.If INEOS does that then we can finally start to heal, if they carry on supporting this coach they will become figures of pure hate, in the same way the Glazers are not welcome at Old Trafford, SJR and Sir David Brailsford will soon witness the same reception, no time for talk and spin INEOS time for action!
 
I was under the impression that Woodward had at least some decent standards, top 4, CL football or restart. Now I am sure of it.
Now, I believe there are just delusional people, who live in a fairy tale where we will come back on a white horse in win the league with this current setup. I am sure we are not getting top 10 this year.
 
soapythecat said:
There must be a financial incentive to get us relegated as that is where we are heading. How can they not see what we are all seeing?
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They're just praying that they can avoid the embarrassment of having to sack him. Everybody in their right mind knew that he should have gone after the FA Cup final - win, lose or draw. It was an atrocious decision to keep him based on one fluke result after an abysmal season. The new regime got its first major footballing decision horribly wrong and doesn't want to own up to it. There's nothing more complex going on than that.
 
fergiewherearethou said:
I was under the impression that Woodward had at least some decent standards, top 4, CL football or restart. Now I am sure of it.
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Absolutely. Under him United had a clear baseline that had to be reached. Sadly Woodward had no idea (and never bothered to learn or get support) how to really raise above that minimum, but at least he had that.

It's truly shocking for me that I think United would be in a better position now if he would still be CEO.
 
Aretak said:
They're just praying that they can avoid the embarrassment of having to sack him. Everybody in their right mind knew that he should have gone after the FA Cup final - win, lose or draw. It was an atrocious decision to keep him based on one fluke result after an abysmal season. The new regime got its first major footballing decision horribly wrong and doesn't want to own up to it. There's nothing more complex going on than that.
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What’s going to be more embarrassing: sacking him or getting relegated? It’s a very realistic option
 
stefan92 said:
Absolutely. Under him United had a clear baseline that had to be reached. Sadly Woodward had no idea (and never bothered to learn or get support) how to really raise above that minimum, but at least he had that.

It's truly shocking for me that I think United would be in a better position now if he would still be CEO.
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100% we would be in a better position.
Eth would have never survived last season.
 
If they don't fire ETH after this result, then truly no one can have confidence in INEOS
 
I'm concerned with their ruthlessness and decision making to keep persevering with this manager, especially when the quality of football, performances, and results have all been very poor. We're coming up to November and time just keeps ticking away. I understand that they may and should see us as a long-term project, but I'm uncomfortable with us seemingly throwing this season away so early on.
 
They made a huge mistake in the summer keeping ETH, this was always the most likely outcome. Every game he stays makes them look clueless, mistakes are going to happen but how and when they are corrected says a lot.
 
This lot are ruining our season with their inability to make the easy decision of sacking the manager, they say they want to get the club challenging again but do nothing to show it.
 
stefan92 said:
Absolutely. Under him United had a clear baseline that had to be reached. Sadly Woodward had no idea (and never bothered to learn or get support) how to really raise above that minimum, but at least he had that.

It's truly shocking for me that I think United would be in a better position now if he would still be CEO.
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100%. Eth would have been sacked day after FA cup final.
Ed has many, many, many flaws but sacking managers wasn't one of them.
 
They look like idiots right now. As I don’t think they are actually idiots (in fact successful men with no doubt large egos), just what are they thinking of in allowing the reputation of their new regime to be dragged through the mud by association with the worst United manager since at least the early 70s?
 
MoskvaRed said:
They look like idiots right now. As I don’t think they are actually idiots (in fact successful men with no doubt large egos), just what are they thinking of in allowing the reputation of their new regime to be dragged through the mud by association with the worst United manager since at least the early 70s?
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I’d argue that he’s the worst since the early 30’s.
 
stefan92 said:
Absolutely. Under him United had a clear baseline that had to be reached. Sadly Woodward had no idea (and never bothered to learn or get support) how to really raise above that minimum, but at least he had that.

It's truly shocking for me that I think United would be in a better position now if he would still be CEO.
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That's the most worrying of all. Brought in a bunch of "successful" football people - who might have been part of a successful club, but obviously never the reason for success - and we are getting worse every week.Can you cancel a membership during the season?
 
soapythecat said:
What’s going to be more embarrassing: sacking him or getting relegated? It’s a very realistic option
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I don't think relegation is realistic. Even if Ten Hag stays there's zero chance of doing worse than the current bottom three. But obviously I don't think it'll come to that either. He'll be gone by Christmas either way if results don't improve, but the fact that he's still here now, with the club sitting 14th going into November, is evidence enough that they want to give him every possible chance of turning it around. Way beyond the leeway any previous Manchester United manager has ever been given. I don't see any other explanation for why that's the case other than Ineos not wanting to hold their hands up and admit that they blew it in the summer.
 
I have lost all my confidence on them now. I thought they knew what they were doing when they kept the manager who finished 8th with awful style of play. I thought they saw something as best in class football people that we normal fans can't see.
 
MoskvaRed said:
They look like idiots right now. As I don’t think they are actually idiots (in fact successful men with no doubt large egos), just what are they thinking of in allowing the reputation of their new regime to be dragged through the mud by association with the worst United manager since at least the early 70s?
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Possibly (my guess) because they perceive the next managerial appointment as some kind of mission statement, and they couldn't either find or convince any of the top names on their list.

Which, of course, meant that United went into the new season under the assumption that things couldn't get worse. And this is damning for the s called "footballing people" because the free metrics available for everyone on the internet were suggesting that, if United kept on going down the same road, things would probably get worse.

Anyway, part of me thinks that if Potter hadn't had that disastrous spell at Chelsea, where he looked completely out of his depth, they would have made the switch earlier.
 
Said a while back I expect them to take 5 years to get to grips with the club.

I recall many saying a big club would be easier to take the reins of and Ineos would be able to avoid replicating their efforts at previous clubs. We're on a big slide that would make Ed Woodward blush.

They want to analyze, make the right choice, not make errors and get the right people for the long term but you also have to stay in touch and be cut throat if things have gone stale and not let standards drop too far.. I also worry we have too many so called top people with consideration at the board level to act properly.
 
I think it was Berrada (I could be wrong) but basically didn't he say after two years players will be evaluated and moved on if not up to standard. Surely the manager should have been held to that standard and relieved in the summer
 
The main problem under the Glazers wasn't really willingness to sack a clearly underperforming manager. It was more to do the inconsistency in the kind of manager they hired after. We flip-flopped from many different styles of football and the recruitment was also bad.

So far under INEOS, they seem hesitant to sack someone who's clearly out of their depth and that's after completely fecking up the decision to sack him in the summer. Their recruitment was also overhyped in my opinion. There's big question marks over Zirkzee and Ugarte. De Ligt and Mazaraoui I think were good but we also made occasional good signings under the Glazers too. They also take an incredible amount of time to do anything. So far, they seem indecisive and incompetent and the longer ETH is allowed to continue, the worse they seem.

I keep hearing they don't want to mess up the replacement/interim. Who cares? At this point, there's a very low bar to improve upon. If the next guy is shit, sack him too. I don't understand why a lot of fans seem to think that the possibility of hiring someone now just to sack them shortly after is farcical. Clubs do it all the time. In fact, arguably the most successful clubs do this more than anyone.
 
Geistman said:
I think it was Berrada (I could be wrong) but basically didn't he say after two years players will be evaluated and moved on if not up to standard. Surely the manager should have been held to that standard and relieved in the summer
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Keeping him in the summer and to this day is basically telling the world that they have no standards. It's got past the point of even rectifying their mistake now for me. If they sack him now, they will look just as stupid because it's obvious it should have been done ages ago. If he was sacked after the Liverpool or Tottenham game, I would have been more willing to forgive it.
 
They're looking like clowns at the moment. Put Liverpool or Arsenal in our position and imagine how we'd be reacting as nothing was being done. We'd be in disbelief. We were pissing ourselves laughing when Liverpool appointed Hodgson, and even then he wasn't doing as badly as Ten Hag. Christ even Gary Neville was doing better at Valencia, and he was a laughing stock at the time.
 
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