Are you confident of success in the INEOS era?

They have made a complete mess by not sacking Ten Hag in the summer. Now we are scrambling to find a new manager when a lot of the best coaches are unlikely to leave midseason.

They look stupid and incompetent.
 
Attila said:
They have made a complete mess by not sacking Ten Hag in the summer. Now we are scrambling to find a new manager when a lot of the best coaches are unlikely to leave midseason.

They look stupid and incompetent.
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Yep sack a manager and hire a manager 2 weeks before the structure is appointed.

Yes, because that is real competence, talk about getting the structure right, but Attila from the caf would rather us do what we used to, get the owner to sack the manager and hire another, then appoint CEO and DoF?

Talk about cutting someone's leg of before they even start work.
 
I have to wonder what the club's play has been with the sacking being today. To be clear I view this as about 12 months overdue, but the timing has made me curious.

Have they been negotiating with someone behind the scenes, and they now feel confident enough in those negotiations to let ETH go? You would hope that this is the case, as this would mean that they've known what was going on was unacceptable, and they were just trying to buy time by keeping ETH in place.

Do they only now view the situation as untenable or reaching the point where any action after this would render the season unsalvageable? You would hope not, because the situation seemed untenable and the season had much better prospects a few matchdays ago.
 
Cloud7 said:
I have to wonder what the club's play has been with the sacking being today. To be clear I view this as about 12 months overdue, but the timing has made me curious.

Have they been negotiating with someone behind the scenes, and they now feel confident enough in those negotiations to let ETH go? You would hope that this is the case, as this would mean that they've known what was going on was unacceptable, and they were just trying to buy time by keeping ETH in place.

Do they only now view the situation as untenable or reaching the point where any action after this would render the season unsalvageable? You would hope not, because the situation seemed untenable and the season had much better prospects a few matchdays ago.
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I wonder how much extra compo they've had to pay out for the genius decision of extending ETH's contract... this mess is why I wanted the sheikh in, despite the PR problems of such a move
 
romufc said:
Yep sack a manager and hire a manager 2 weeks before the structure is appointed.

Yes, because that is real competence, talk about getting the structure right, but Attila from the caf would rather us do what we used to, get the owner to sack the manager and hire another, then appoint CEO and DoF?

Talk about cutting someone's leg of before they even start work.
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They were literally interviewing and thinking about changing the manager in MAY. They just bottled it and now we are in a bigger mess because of it.

It was obvious the Ten Hag era was over and it was shocking they extended his contract after last years performance. Bottom of a easy CL group, 8th position, negative goal difference, scraping by Coventry in the semi final, 100s of millions wasted in the transfer market, no style of play or improvement leads to a contract extension
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romufc said:
Yep sack a manager and hire a manager 2 weeks before the structure is appointed.

Yes, because that is real competence, talk about getting the structure right, but Attila from the caf would rather us do what we used to, get the owner to sack the manager and hire another, then appoint CEO and DoF?

Talk about cutting someone's leg of before they even start work.
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Attila said:
They were literally interviewing and thinking about changing the manager in MAY. They just bottled it and now we are in a bigger mess because of it.

It was obvious the Ten Hag era was over and it was shocking they extended his contract after last years performance. Bottom of a easy CL group, 8th position, negative goal difference, scraping by Coventry in the semi final, 100s of millions wasted in the transfer market, no style of play or improvement leads to a contract extension
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I get it you dont like INEOS but they needed time to let the CEO and DoF assess the situation.
You can't ask for a structure and then when we get one, say oh why isnt it all fixed in 3 months of new ownership? They are incompetent.

Judging a new ownership in 3 months after they sacked the CEO, DoF and the lot, hiring new ones but yeah you would rather they not get a structure.

It's funny because alot of fans were here 1 year ago talking about structure being more important than the manager, then when we implement a structure, fans want results in 3 months.
 
It’s been an inauspicious start with the hugely over optimistic gamble on keeping Ten Hag (and that’s not with hindsight) but now, with some time with their feet under their desks at OT, the new team has an opportunity to make us forget that episode. Identify a strong candidate as head coach,, convince him to join, work with him within a recognised framework and then hold regular assessments of progress. Please no more 3 year projects or excuses about the manager needing 10 of his own players or not having a fully fit squad. And, if the new coach is not working out, replace him in a timely manner as other clubs do without dragging it out.
 
From all PR about them and best in the class BS, i expect new manager in next day or two. Because, from best people in business you would expect that they were fully prepared for this situation.
 
I don't think anyone could have imagined it would be this bad, especially after the summer.

If we were 6th, he'd still have a job, even the most skeptical hater wouldn't imagine we'd be 14th.
 
I want them to be decisive. It has been clear since the Spurs game that we need a new manager and i think it would help build confidence if they have been working behind the scenes and announce the new permanent manager after the Leicester game. No time to waste, I honestly think even the league season can still be salvaged.
 
They completely bungled the manager decision. Especially the inexplicable contract extension.

However, they can make it right with the next appointment.
 
All the people criticising uniteds new leadership team are going to be the same people praising them for bringing in Armorim and wasting such little time.

Hind sight is a wonderful thing that no one is afforded. However what I’ve seen is a group that have moved at lightning speed to bring in staff at every level above the players.
 
msra5kg2 said:
All the people criticising uniteds new leadership team are going to be the same people praising them for bringing in Armorim and wasting such little time.
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Yes, it's totally fair to criticise them for poor decisions and praise them for good decisions
 
I'm more confident in INEOS now that they have taken the action they should have taken in June.
 
Taking that ruthless pressure off Ruud, could be smart, sensitive decision.

It's definitely thing I can agree with Berrada & board.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Yes, it's totally fair to criticise them for poor decisions and praise them for good decisions
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Poor decisions to petulant fans with no patience yep. They couldn’t bring in a manager they wanted in the summer and decided to extend ten hags contract by 12 months. They gave everything to make him succeed but it didn’t happen. They didn’t give him a 5 year deal in summer.
 
I voiced my doubts here before, the work they have done at Nice didn't impress me at all, as far as I have heard it it was rather a massive shite show so far. With us so far it's a mixed bag, they seem to put an effort in at improving our overall structure, pulling us away from being a overly dependent on the decisions our manager makes but I have no clue if the are brining in genuinely good people or just buddies of Ratcliffe et al.

I'm still hopeful that it's the former but I won't be surprised if it's the latter.
 
msra5kg2 said:
All the people criticising uniteds new leadership team are going to be the same people praising them for bringing in Armorim and wasting such little time.
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People have different opinions on different things shocker.
 
msra5kg2 said:
All the people criticising uniteds new leadership team are going to be the same people praising them for bringing in Armorim and wasting such little time.

Hind sight is a wonderful thing that no one is afforded. However what I’ve seen is a group that have moved at lightning speed to bring in staff at every level above the players.
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What's wrong with praising them if they do something good? We're waiting for them to do at least one logical act, would love this to be the first one.

Sacking ETH was obviously the right decision, but it was way too late.
 
stefan92 said:
It's not conflicting to agree with one decision and to disagree with another.
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stefan92 said:
I’m referring to fans over reacting and calling out ineos as rubbish owners even though they been in the building 10 minutes. Opinions are also eithe
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Shark said:
What's wrong with praising them if they do something good? We're waiting for them to do at least one logical act, would love this to be the first one.

Sacking ETH was obviously the right decision, but it was way too late.
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Thanks pal….This is exactly what I’m talking about. Senseless over exaggerated garbage.

Who hired Omar berrada,
Who hired Dan ashworth
Who have initiated a Trafford initiative to revamp or rebuild old trafford

They’ve mostly made great decisive actions. They wont get them all right, who does, but it’s easy to criticise, more difficult to understand and have patience
 
msra5kg2 said:
Thanks pal….This is exactly what I’m talking about. Senseless over exaggerated garbish.

Who hired Omar berrada,
Who hired Dan ashworth
Who have initiated a Trafford initiative to revamp or rebuild old trafford

They’ve mostly made great decisive actions. They wont get them all right, who does, but it’s easy to criticise, more difficult to understand and have patience
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Until any of this comes to fruition in a positive light, why would anyone praise them? They'll get decisions wrong, but keeping this manager was one hell of a decision to get wrong, it was much easier to get it right. They're not family members or friends, we don't need to blow smoke up their arse until they prove otherwise.
 
msra5kg2 said:
the same people have conflicting opinions. Think that’s called fickle
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Its not conflicting if they are two different topics.

Even on the same topic, opinions can change. One could have been Luke Shaw in for years and now Luke Shaw out. Thats not being fickle. Different people have different points at which they think enough is enough.

Same with Rashford in 2021-22 vs 22-23 vs 23-24. Opinions can change based on what they see happening.
 
Sanchez7 said:
I want them to be decisive. It has been clear since the Spurs game that we need a new manager and i think it would help build confidence if they have been working behind the scenes and announce the new permanent manager after the Leicester game. No time to waste, I honestly think even the league season can still be salvaged.
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I said this before the Amorim rumous came out. Very pleased with how quickly Ineos is moving now that he is gone.
 
Massimo Taibi said:
So they’re cutting their nose off by doubling down rather than making a swift decision due to making an error? If that’s how they operate, get the “For Sale” signs out and get them up at Old Trafford. If they’re too proud or too stupid to see what is in front of them then they can get gone.

If you make a mistake, own it, rectify it and move on, don’t double down and hope things change magically, it’s not how things work.
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Look! They actually did it! hehe...
 
Revan said:
But they can. We have seen big clubs firing managers 3 months after hiring them, let alone 3 months in their third season.

They definitely can fire EtH. They just choose to not fire him, based on, at this stage I do not know what. Some blind hope might have been justified last season, but now it is beyond incompetence.
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We laugh at those clubs for short term vision. I really hope we do not become a joke in that area as well.
 
romufc said:
No... that's not how it works. He didn't get a new contract. He got an extension of the current contract.
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And that's what I said, EXTENDED FOR A SEASON.

Hope it's clear this time.
 
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Handled the Ten Hag sacking appallingly, factually. Should have gone in the summer, and made what seems to be the right decision of hiring Amorim then. But it's a hugely positive how smoothly they seem to be working now.
 
Whats interesting is that nobody had him being sacked yesterday and nobody had Amorim as one of the favourites to be the replacement.

You can say what you want, but leaks from management have stopped and journalists are back to making nonsense up rather than being spoon fed all of the club's plans. I keep saying it but I don't think there was that much of a concrete plan to sack Ten Hag in the summer. The reports pre cup final seemingly assumed we'd get beat 5-0 and that the resulting dismissal was just inevitable. The whole "he'll be sacked even if he wins it" was always wide of the mark. Keeping him at that point ultimately proved to be the wrong decision but there was clearly not much else out there anyway.

Since the Liverpool and Spurs defeats, there has been clearly been plans being worked up behind the scenes. Sacking the manager before we had nearly confirmed the next man would have been a mistake. There has clearly been some kind of a positive sign from Amorim (or someone else...) to suggest that we won't have a long drawn out saga with the players and Ruud in limbo.
 
Judas said:
Handled the Ten Hag sacking appallingly, factually. Should have gone in the summer, and made what seems to be the right decision of hiring Amorim then. But it's a hugely positive how smoothly they seem to be working now.
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Clearly you followed what happened over the summer? Both Liverpool and West Ham were in for Almorim and he didn't want to leave... but ofcourse we should have kidnapped him instead?
 
MancunianAngels said:
Whats interesting is that nobody had him being sacked yesterday and nobody had Amorim as one of the favourites to be the replacement.

You can say what you want, but leaks from management have stopped and journalists are back to making nonsense up rather than being spoon fed all of the club's plans. I keep saying it but I don't think there was that much of a concrete plan to sack Ten Hag in the summer. The reports pre cup final seemingly assumed we'd get beat 5-0 and that the resulting dismissal was just inevitable. The whole "he'll be sacked even if he wins it" was always wide of the mark. Keeping him at that point ultimately proved to be the wrong decision but there was clearly not much else out there anyway.

Since the Liverpool and Spurs defeats, there has been clearly been plans being worked up behind the scenes. Sacking the manager before we had nearly confirmed the next man would have been a mistake. There has clearly been some kind of a positive sign from Amorim (or someone else...) to suggest that we won't have a long drawn out saga with the players and Ruud in limbo.
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Yeah I agree. It does look like the decision was made some time ago, rather than off the back of the West Ham loss. But only in the past there were no leaks to the media so we assumed nothing was happening
 
romufc said:
Clearly you followed what happened over the summer? Both Liverpool and West Ham were in for Almorim and he didn't want to leave... but ofcourse we should have kidnapped him instead?
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I mean he must have been interested in leaving to hold talks with both of them? Why pretend otherwise? He's not going to talk to West Ham if he wasn't actually up for going there? He failed to reach an agreement with either of them seems more accurate than you saying he didn't want to leave? Surely if thats the case he doesn't enter into discussions with other clubs?

Clearly you followed what happened over the summer....differently.
 
MancunianAngels said:
Whats interesting is that nobody had him being sacked yesterday and nobody had Amorim as one of the favourites to be the replacement.

You can say what you want, but leaks from management have stopped and journalists are back to making nonsense up rather than being spoon fed all of the club's plans. I keep saying it but I don't think there was that much of a concrete plan to sack Ten Hag in the summer. The reports pre cup final seemingly assumed we'd get beat 5-0 and that the resulting dismissal was just inevitable. The whole "he'll be sacked even if he wins it" was always wide of the mark. Keeping him at that point ultimately proved to be the wrong decision but there was clearly not much else out there anyway.

Since the Liverpool and Spurs defeats, there has been clearly been plans being worked up behind the scenes. Sacking the manager before we had nearly confirmed the next man would have been a mistake. There has clearly been some kind of a positive sign from Amorim (or someone else...) to suggest that we won't have a long drawn out saga with the players and Ruud in limbo.
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Exactly.

They have got rid of the leaks and the journalists are feeding of crumbs, which has also thrown alot of the fan base into shock as well, as some believe they are completely incompetent because he wasn't sacked.

In the summer, when they conducted interviews, the fact that they still thought Ten Hag was better, shows how poor the candidates were. Now, like I have said, SJR and Brailsford are not going to appoint a CEO and DoF and then make one of the biggest decisions without them, so they thought let them come settle and a decision can be made.

They have clearly done that, become proactive rather than reactive, which is what people wanted, the Spurs result was the one where it seems they started looking at managers, as soon as they got the OK from Almorim, Ten Hag was sacked.

When was the last time a manager was sacked and we had no merry go round?

They clearly are operating much more efficiently.
 
romufc said:
Exactly.

They have got rid of the leaks and the journalists are feeding of crumbs, which has also thrown alot of the fan base into shock as well, as some believe they are completely incompetent because he wasn't sacked.

In the summer, when they conducted interviews, the fact that they still thought Ten Hag was better, shows how poor the candidates were. Now, like I have said, SJR and Brailsford are not going to appoint a CEO and DoF and then make one of the biggest decisions without them, so they thought let them come settle and a decision can be made.

They have clearly done that, become proactive rather than reactive, which is what people wanted, the Spurs result was the one where it seems they started looking at managers, as soon as they got the OK from Almorim, Ten Hag was sacked.

When was the last time a manager was sacked and we had no merry go round?

They clearly are operating much more efficiently.
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Ole and LVG we knew who were replacing them fairly quickly to be fair, especially LVG, that was obvious for ages.
 
adkb said:
We laugh at those clubs for short term vision. I really hope we do not become a joke in that area as well.
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At the contrary, I hope we become a ruthless club that doesn’t mind sacking managers very easily. Underperformance with clear signs that the manager is a fool should come with a quick sack, not with 2 seasons lost before the manager gets sacked.
 
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adkb said:
We laugh at those clubs for short term vision. I really hope we do not become a joke in that area as well.
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If you still laugh at clubs who ruthlessly want to win and be successfull, then that's on you really.

I pray the days of giving endless time to managers who are clearly done are over. We need to move on and get with the times.
 
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