I’ve already accepted he’ll be innocent and return to action next week.
Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Inquiries ended | Back in the squad
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Innocent until proven guilty is about going to prison or not. It is not about being suspended from the team. For example, Sancho is out of the team and he is not accused by anyone of beating them up and of course, he is not going to prison.
It will become evidence if it’s presented in court, tested and accepted.
Looks like scouring the web for police records will be added to flight tracking for the muppets moving forward.
I agree. If he’s guilty it’s the best thing to do. If he’s innocent it’s also the best thing to do. So it’s the only thing to do. Give him time off. If he gets charged then turn it into a suspension
Like it or not, being suspended by the club is seen on social media as a declaration of guilt. Women know it only needs an accusation to destroy a man’s career and life - and make money in the process. I’m not saying that’s the case here, but it has happened before.
Pray tell how far worse actual charges have affected Partey?
People have feigned their own deaths too. But it’s so uncommon that that’s not the first thought when someone dies. I think I recall one player who was the victim of a blackmail plot involving a girl who turned out to be underage. At the heart of that was a gang of predominantly men.
Pretty much every instance where accusations have increased by multiple women. It’s always usually meant the person was guilty and a serial offender.
If this is plot to get money out of Antony. 1) it will be very rare and not indicative of previous cases. 2) based on what I know about brazil, it will be criminal gangs using women.
The sad thing is, if these are women looking for attention or revenge more will come forward.
If these are genuine victims, there likely could be more too.
Nice post this. Do you happen to post on Twitter too?
3 women already made accusations, I guess they're all out to get Antony's money, right?
That's definitely the most likely case here, 3 separate women lodged complaints spanning over a year, they must have met up online and decided to do it together!
Away with your reasonable questions.
Happened to Mendy did it not?
Did you forget to read the last sentence of my post? It wasn’t a long post, it only had 3 sentences. Just for clarity, I’ll repeat it.
“I’M NOT SAYING THAT’S THE CASE HERE, but it has happened before.”
I hope that helps.
I repeat, it's definitely the most likely case. I mean it happened to 1 other person recently, right?
If it talks like a duck, walks like a duck, it’s probably a duck. This guy must be the worst signing United has done ever considering performance, stats and behaviour of pitch contra all that money spent. It’s sad you don’t are allowed to return him with some kind of warranty.
Absolutely. Much bigger problem than domestic abuse also.
What a world we live in.
You posted as if it’s an outlandish concept when it literally happened not that long ago.
We can pretend it doesn’t happen if you want?
What is the logic to suggesting we sack him now and assume guilt? Is there literally any advantage over allowing the situation to unfold through the proper legal channels? I find it really odd. Is it because people need instant gratification or something? What's even weirder is that advocating due process incites either direct or sly, Randall-from-Recess style accusations of being an incel. There's so much toxic, reactionary and divisive spiel. The discource all feels very American in how it plays out.
Another one who completely failed to read or understand the last sentence of my post.
What do you think “I’m not saying that’s the case here” means??
It helps sure. Your posts just look like those random X posts about something needs to be done to stop those women who are out there to destroy men's careers and lives.
Ok I give up.
But compared to domestic abuse, and i would take a wild guess here, and say it happens not even in a 1/100 000 ratio.
So it seems like a unnecessary and strange angle to view it from.
If you are not saying that was the case there, why bring it up?
Is it even possible for the club to access police records in Brazil? I don't recall any media finding that out either. I'm sure there are limits to our abilities to do background checks taking into account a victim's right to privacy.
This is Manchester United. Like it or not, every news story is going to be amplified far greater than it would for a player from any other club. This comes with building up such a huge brand with icons and enjoying success in past years.
Therefore, it should come as no surprise the way the Greenwood incident grew and now this with Antony. It may not feel fair in comparison to other examples, such as Partey continuing to play at Arsenal, but visual evidence being released into the public domain is damning. Along with multiple women now coming forward, it doesn't seem like an allegation that can be brushed away, especially in Brazil.
I can't see a way that Antony plays for United whilst these allegations are open and ongoing. Should be suspended.
Therefore, it should come as no surprise the way the Greenwood incident grew and now this with Antony. It may not feel fair in comparison to other examples, such as Partey continuing to play at Arsenal, but visual evidence being released into the public domain is damning. Along with multiple women now coming forward, it doesn't seem like an allegation that can be brushed away, especially in Brazil.
I can't see a way that Antony plays for United whilst these allegations are open and ongoing. Should be suspended.
It is an outlandish concept, if you actually consider how likely it is vs the stuff actually happening. Both scenarios do not have to be given the same level of probability, just because you can find an example of one of them somewhere.
Pretty much this.
FFS
Someone's got to do the due diligence
Yes, there is certainly some level of due diligence here, but not to the extent of digging into prior romantic relationships, that would be too invasive, and in this case in particular, none of it were known until it come out when the women went public, maybe the Jan 2023 incident the club might've been aware but that was well after Antony was signed.
On the bolded, yes, we all know there is certain level of due diligence and checking that is done, if Antony behaves/behaved professionally during his time with Brazil NT, Sao Paolo & Ajax (Ten Hag was his coach at Ajax so he would know what's Antony's character like), as in being punctual, train properly and works hard, not known for partying or going to night clubs, not instigating fights with the teammates, not known for being an alcoholic or a drugs addict (I am assuming he is all that and the club has checked all that) and of course he does not have a criminal record anywhere (Brazil, Netherlands, etc...), and with all that, I do not expect any club to go beyond that in terms of due diligence, especially digging into the player's personal relationships with partners, parents or relatives, that would be too invasive on the player's right to privacy.
Again, to be clear, I am referring to what the club could have known about Antony before signing him in Sept 2022, however, the incident in Jan 2023 (the doctor visit), I have my doubts and there is a chance the club knew something then.
It's staggering how little we appear to check the background on players before offering massive transfer fees and wages.
For Antony, Greenwood and Sancho, the signs were that they might not have the most reliable behaviour.
how though? the police report was in Brazil, and it did not amount to anything, and it was not public, do you expect the club to go to every police station and ask if there is any police report on Antony (or a potential signing?)
Some of these allegations would have happened here even after the Greenwood thing had blown up aswell?
Would you have to declare something like being involved in a police investigation before signing a contract?
The Sancho one isn't quite the same thing. For as bad as his behavior was in training, he was almost out producing practically everyone in the Bundesliga.
So wait, one of the "fresh accusations" from "new alleged victims" is that they've found a police report from May -22 where he was accused of something? A police report that presumably didn't lead to a charge?
He's going to be dropped isn't he.
This thread is just full of everyone speculating...so I don't think your original point was anything outlandish or particularly offending. Anyone should be allowed to put forward a view at this stage it's a football forum its not that deep!
A quick google of Neymar will show he has a past of alleged rape charges against him too, which he was later cleared.
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