Has Rachel Riley spoken yet? Someone also check if Adam Crafton has written a hard hitting article as well..
Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Inquiries ended | Back in the squad
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"Conduct unbecoming" could not include false accusations, which this stuff may be.
Proper scouting, proper background checks to make sure anything like this is uncovered before they are even signed.
SAF said recently they always spent ages looking at a player, making sure they had the right character and personality before signing them.
This shit doesn't look good at all, even it if turns out to be false. It will still hang over him and the club, especially after all the MG stuff.
There's evidence and it's not as conclusive as the Greenwood stuff but the 'no more dickheads' policy seems to have well and truly failed, right Arnold?
Bunch of clowns.
Bunch of clowns.
Status yesterday: ongoing investigation
Status today: ongoing investigation
Difference in the public reaction though is huge if response here is indicative. This is maybe why people conduct these things through media as the results are more advantageous and get quicker results.
Why wait for police to independently investigate when you can do the Brazil equivalent of going on Oprah?
Status today: ongoing investigation
Difference in the public reaction though is huge if response here is indicative. This is maybe why people conduct these things through media as the results are more advantageous and get quicker results.
Why wait for police to independently investigate when you can do the Brazil equivalent of going on Oprah?
Not yet. But this case is never going to garner as much controversy as the Greenwood one.
Not that easy bro, if you do that and the accused know full well he didn't hit you, you'll be in a lot of trouble.
It's easy to track back 2 weeks ago, where were you, CCTV recording you sparing etc and you could be in a lot of heat for false accusation. Now if you can tape the accused making threads on you that's another story.
Do this against famous person with lots of fans you'll be in for a rough ride you'll be scrutinized to no end.
And as much as we don't know, a proper trial has a proper methods of proving the allegations is true, you'll need visum, medical report, testimony from people involved etc.
Look at Amber Heard - Depp case, it could be costly paying attorney fee which is why people don't really want to pursue this since it's favor the rich.
Ah great, just what we needed.
To be fair, Greenwood doesn't come under FFP since he cost us nothing. Players who have been bought and sold add to FFP, at least according to Simon Jordan.
Is this your opinion?
I think it's completely wrong.
Photo's can be geotagged, someone could provide other witnesses account to corroborate them, CCTV, phone calls or texts on the day in question etc. There's a million ways to provide provenance for the photos.
Even without all that if the police recieve them and have a statement from the victim stating they happened on x day and were caused by x person they are absolutely evidence and would be admissable in UK law without any extra applications.
They could be challenged, viewed as of low evidential value due to lack of corroborating evidence but images aren't only admissable when accompanied by a police report on the day, as long as there is an accompanying statement from the person providing the images stating what they are they will almost always be admissable by default.
It is totally possible to report a crime months after the fact and provide evidence that leads to a conviction, though of course the sooner the better is always going to be true from a quality of evidence stand point.
The last paragraph is of course possible and I'm not making a judgement on the strength of the case yet but the above statements in bold just aren't correct.
I think a lot of people dont like him as a player, unlike Greenwood.
It's because they want him to be guilty. Most don't like him and don't want him to play right wing for us, so instead of being a normal person, they hope he beat his ex-girlfriend so he doesn't have to play for us again. Vile.
True, though I'm sure we'll already have something in there with regards to losing players for an extended period of time through negligence etc (hopefully...).
Only problem is, if they've not been charged then insurance will likely not pay out, but I'm not in that sector so just speculating.
What is happening with this club? What's next, Marcus has been poisoning the school dinners?
I think there's been a great many more responses questioning the evidence and the character of the complainant (poor form), or responses stating we don't know enough/more time should be given than there are 'lock him up and throw away the key ones'.
Though there are a few of those granted.
This really could end up being a non-story. Suspend him until we know if charges are being placed or not, that's all there is to it right now.
Conduct unbecoming is just a blanket terms, normally reserved for the absolute scandal as you can't list the definitive over a contract.
And yes, normally innocence until verdict is uphold.
Greenwood case is an outlier where the evidence is leaked and pretty damning people knew what he does full well, with or without the prosecutions.
You seriously need a fecking time out. Sick of shit like this.
Completely agree with this. The stark contrast in response to the Greenwood allegations is depressing but predictable.
Why would us Manchester United fans wants our top players to all be dumped?
We would prefer for Greenwood / Antony / Whoever to be cleared to play again, ask yourself what's in it for us? It's moral compass, because some things are more importan than football.
That’s the bottom line. And we now get to enjoy the massive irony of moaning about double standards - if Antony isn’t instantly canned - from the same people who disagreed with the treatment of Greenwood.
Club can't catch a break the now. So much fecking negativity.
just been ensuring there are enough poor, working class kids to keep epstein island afloat.
What do you mean by that? Surely you understand there are very different levels of evidence being presented when these two stories broke?
Every time you sweep away a rare, off-field occurrence that you treat as a one off and probably think it’ll never happen again at least not in this lifetime, another one comes along straight after it 
From Ronaldo going on Piers Morgan to United having to play judge, jury and executioner when they really shouldn’t have been on Greenwood and now this…
From Ronaldo going on Piers Morgan to United having to play judge, jury and executioner when they really shouldn’t have been on Greenwood and now this…
I get people on here don’t want to attack Antony until more clarity is done on the case, e.g - him getting charged or concrete evidence comes out (maybe there is, I just haven’t actively looked for it yet). But at the same time, I don’t get why the same people feel the need to attack people who were correctly critical of the club during Greenwood-gate, e.g Rachel Riley.
Mildly hypocritical doing one sensible thing for one, and opposite for the other.
No laughing matter but
Mildly hypocritical doing one sensible thing for one, and opposite for the other.
No laughing matter but
They want Greenwood to be cleared because he was a sensational talent, and could've been our striker/right winger for the next decade. He was already very good for us, and would only get better.
Antony has cost us a fortune and disappoint in a lot of ways. Even though he should be given more time, it's evident what kind of player he will never become, even if he improves in other ways. People think he has been a massive failure (he really hasn't, it's just the transfer fee, which he can't help). These fans would much rather want him replaced than him to be freed of these charges, so they hope he will be found guilty, which means they also hope that his ex-girlfriend was beaten up. It's disgusting.
Or maybe we just dont want these types of people at the club we love.
I have said many times I dont want Greenwood ever playing for us again, even though his charges where dropped.
Why would I suddenly stop believing the victims just because its Antony?
On one hand you have a recording with someone stating that they were going to do what they were later suspected of having done and on the other we have nothing to build any solid opinion.
There is no way to defend or accuse anyone here. The police will do their job and that's about it.
Even accepting those differences, the public responses are out of proportion with each other.
I don’t think anyone hopes she was beaten up, very strange conclusion to reach. People rightly hope that if he did the things he is accused of doing, then he is found guilty and dropped from the squad. You should not want these kind of individuals anywhere near the club, irrespective of how talented or shit you consider them to be.
I’m being real
Like when Barcelona had an injury crisis and La Liga made an exception that allowed them to sign (I think) Braithwaite outside of the transfer window, can FFP not work in an exemption to allow some room for the club to buy a replacement in what are exceptional circumstancesIndeed. Some people just want blood all the time, you know, being self righteous on the internet and being seen as a supporter of women gets them brownie points in heaven I guess?
We legit might know less than a quarter of the real story, but nah, let's just assume he's guilty.
Why are you assuming he's guilty? I wouldn't want him near the club if he's guilty, but it's not guilty until proven innocent. How many times have footballers been falsely accused now?
I really don’t like trial by media, it’s setting a dangerous precedent. Media snippets is not enough to condemn a person.
Keep thinking of Amber heard who abused Johnny depp and made it look like she was the victim.
Anthony deserves to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. This whole hysteria where people have already sentenced him is bollox.
Keep thinking of Amber heard who abused Johnny depp and made it look like she was the victim.
Anthony deserves to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. This whole hysteria where people have already sentenced him is bollox.
It absolutely wouldnt have been admissible in court. The threshold for evidence in a criminal trial is extremely high
"Here's a photo that even though she didn’t report it at the time we're showing the court as evidence" would be too far fetched even for a soap opera. If you're v using photos alleging a crime the fact you hadn't obtained a police report essentially makes it junk evidence.
The police have it and it isn't sufficient to even charge. No judge is allowing it. That isn't an opinion. Near irrefutable evidence is thrown out at pre-trial stage very often. A photo where there exists a duspute of cause is not making it to a criminal trial. Not in a million years.
People are assuming he's guilty when there's no real evidence. Why?
Antony should be suspended pending a police investigation, just as he would be in any other typical workplace in UK, that discovered he's under a police investigation for domestic abuse.
It's just that Manchester United can't really afford not to play him, and therefore, we can't afford to have him suspended for an unknown amount of time - which, in my opinion, shouldn't be a contributing factor.
It's just that Manchester United can't really afford not to play him, and therefore, we can't afford to have him suspended for an unknown amount of time - which, in my opinion, shouldn't be a contributing factor.
The reports are pretty horrible, but I expect the club will wait to see if he's arrested before taking any action (eg suspension). If he's charged, then I expect his time at the club is over.
This season is starting to look like a nightmare.
This season is starting to look like a nightmare.
Calm down with the mob mentality already, Brazil are infamous for extortion, they could have planned this trying to get his money. Unless its concrete evidence, stop already painting him as a criminal, its embarrassing! So far I've only seen messages that could have been wrote by anybody, images of bruises that her friend could have done and such. Need more evidence!