That's Sanchez by miles for me. We paid him far more and he was even worse than Antony who at least tries and has scored some important goals for us.
Antony (out) | LOAN to Real Betis
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
That's Sanchez by miles for me. We paid him far more and he was even worse than Antony who at least tries and has scored some important goals for us.
The only signings worse than Antony are Sancho and Van De Beek
How do you even come at that conclusion? He's been injured a lot and plus even if he flops here, Antony price tag automatically still beats this signing.
Antony will always be the worst signing because of the price paid
But he has been, so it renders the second point moot.
Yes but you can’t compare them cause no one knew he’d have all these injuries, any transfer could be judged the worst ever if a player is unlucky enough. Antony is clearly the worst of the two transfers in terms of cost and ability.
Sanchez was a swap deal for a player that was surplus. Antony was 90m.
I'm aware of that. Still think Sanchez was worse.
That miss on Thursday is one of the worst I've seen in the PL. He's such a poor player.
I do like this aspect. When INEOS took over (or maybe when Barrada joined?) there was definitely some public declaration that players will now have to perform or leave.
I've been worried that the "leave" part is difficult because of our stupid wages, but it looks like we do want to get these kinds of players out even if it's just an initial loan.
Honestly I kind of liked Antony for a while and he's probably not really as bad as he seems for us. Hope he does well, but absolutely need to go
All timer levels of shit signings this one. Wild looking back to that first Ten Hag window and how obsessed he was with his Ajax team... And how the dumb fecks in charge just indulged him
Never in a million years.
It would be fitting if that miss is the last thing we remember him for in a United shirt.
Nah I feel like there’s a player in Mount, we just haven’t seen it yet. Antony and Sanchez played every week in order to justify the fee/wages paid and for that reason kept hindering us on the pitch. If mount was even on the pitch in the first place he wouldn’t be in the conversation.
Amorim apparently demanding a replacement if he goes. Any ideas who might be available?
Kudus is infinitely better than Antony. Nothing about Antony screamed £40m talk less of the ~£80m we paid for him. Just an absolute terrible signing all round
Adios, amigo. It's not been fun.
What’s his book value currently?
No he is not. First of all, Mount was cheaper. Also, Mason Mount has already proven that, when fit and in form, he can play for a title challenging team in the Premier League. Antony hasnt been able to take the step from top Eredivisie to the Premier League.
Mount his issue is fitness, Antony his issues is that he isnt good enough.
I've never perceived as like that to be honest. I mean, I understand that placing as much crap as possible on ETHs porch is the way to go now but it distracts from other issues that might still be a problem, even though ETH isn't anymore. From my point of view, we chased FDJ through the whole summer and it became a bit of a shitshow where the club didn't look too good. When this chase finally ended, I felt that the club meant to give the fans something to cheer to make that FDJ chapter go away. And given that our scouting was as bad as it was, all eyes went to one of ETHs former players, he knew and who played in a position where United were thin. The player itself was absolutely worth a punt in my eyes, the issue was always just the price.
I am sure, Ajax couldn't believe their eyes when they realized that we would actually consider the number they gave us to show their desinterest of selling him this late in the window. It was double his actual worth. The club tried to rectify looking badly prepared by looking completely clueless. Lets seriously hope, that those days are finally over
So, we send him out on loan, pay a chunk of his wages, then we have to bring someone else in, for part of his wages we don't cover, to come on late in games as a substitute.
What's the point?
Keep him, bring him on as sub, like we do now, and help him bring his level up.
What's the point?
Keep him, bring him on as sub, like we do now, and help him bring his level up.
Mount has been injured his entire United career basically and is on 250k per week. He has scored 1 goal for United.
Antony is not very good but at least he is always available. He has 12 United goals, 1 against Arsenal, 1 against Man City and an equaliser vs Liverpool in the FA Cup quarter final.
For me that goal in the FA Cup vs Liverpool alone currently makes him a better signing than Mount. No Antony goal means no FA Cup trophy.
Sorry but an injured player his entire career at the club, is still worse than a player with 12 goals, helped the FA cup win, and has goals against United's 3 biggest rivals.
His level will likely go up better if he has regular gametime. Whitwell says we'll probably replace him this window in his own words.
This is his third season isn’t it ? So around £30 million to break even on the fee paid plus £200K a week wages which would be around £10 million a year.
Also caused Mourinho to bench Martial who was actually playing really well at the time.
I think people just forget how bad Murtoughs role was in this signing. There were plenty of reports at that time where Antony was available for £40m in June of that summer and we hesitated to go at that time. And then after our first two defeats in league we panicked and bought Casemiro and Antony.
Ajax were adamant by that time(it was August 30th when we bought him) that they were not willing to sell that late in the window and put a feck off price of €100m. Which we matched anyways. And also bought a 30-year old Casemiro for £70m because they didn't have any DM alternatives.
Complete and utter cluster feck from Murtough and co at that time.
Ajax were adamant by that time(it was August 30th when we bought him) that they were not willing to sell that late in the window and put a feck off price of €100m. Which we matched anyways. And also bought a 30-year old Casemiro for £70m because they didn't have any DM alternatives.
Complete and utter cluster feck from Murtough and co at that time.
3 books.
You've missed one big point, Mount's career isn't over at Man united, Antony's seemingly looking likely like it is. So stats mean nothing. Say all that when Mount is leaving.
Secondly, Antony is going to leave at a bigger financial loss then Mount will probably leave at. The price we paid for Antony was ridiculous, he's more of a £30m player, making him the worse purchase. We may have over paid for Mount but guaranteed we'll get more resale money than Antony
No book. Five old copies of Razzle Magazine.
That is why I said 'currently'. And resale or not, you don't know how much either will be sold for, just guess work.
I am judging based on the current, not based on 'what if'.
Sancho is also a worse signing than Antony anyway.
Well then, you should of clarified 'currently' when you said 'mount is worse'. I still stand on my point that justifying £86m for a few important goals here and there, and leaving for a big loss is the worst purchase.
How would you know that if we had spent that money on someone else or 2-3 players we could have gotten more important goals and better position?
Wasn't just them though! Not all bad of course. But we aggressively chased or signed Onana, Timber, Martinez, Antony, De Jong, and I feel like I remember us having interest in a couple of others that summer.
Of course, Ten Hag should never have had so much transfer power and it's a failure from the guys in charge first, but still an incredibly bad summer to focus so much on his ex team and spend over the odds just to get his old players in.
I literally stated 'currently' in the post you quoted...
Antony fee, including wages in the time Mount has also been here, has cost the club 20m more. Yet Antony has been available that entire time and got a goal that resulted in the FA Cup win.
All Mount has done has been on the injury table.
Currently Mount has been worse because he has rarely even been available.
I would rather a player that works hard and is rubbish, but is available to come on and give others a rest for upcoming games or to give them more freedom going forward Amad vs Southampton for example). Over a player that is always injured.
I was on about the quote above
I wouldn't even want to get into the discussion of Mount, it's silly to when he's career at Manutd isn't over so what's the point of discussing whether he's a worse transfer? Not wasting my time over that
I don't think you understand the point of Antony and his fee making him the WORSE signing. £86m for a player who isn't even remotely world class, hindering the financial progress of this team. When you spend that much, you better make sure the player is world class because it hinders other positions in the team. And guess what? Now we see the effects overall on how poor the team is because of his fee (along with other duds under EtH but he optimises the worst of it)
That's also why for me Sanchez ain't even the worse, because FINANCIALLY it's not as worse as Antony at the time where we need to improve the full team. During Sanchez's time the team was better off and he wasn't a big risk as he was a swap deal. What don't you understand?
My understanding was that the club itself wasn't well prepared in terms of having shortlists of options and sufficient data about potential targets. If the club doesn't have a candidate but the manager has, then I think it is understandable, that the club will go for the managers option when the alternative is to waste time. Don't get me wrong, this is not an attempt to free ETH of criticism but at the end of the day, recruitment is the clubs responsibility.
No doubt. It increased all the worries we had about the competency of our club even more. But as said above, if only one party offers options while the other doesn't, does it really mean one party has more power than the other?
Will always have a special place in my heart for appearing aggresively motivated to destroy Arsenal's title challenge from off of the subs bench.
I think you can. If he's injured he's injured, it's still a massive waste of money.
Why the feck are we playing him if he's leaving?! FFS.
In the hope he scores a goal and increases his value to £4.50p
Can't wait until this guy has gone. He's been an awful signing. Shocking.