Antony (out) | LOAN to Real Betis

Matt851 said:
Agreed he is bad but we literally have no depth in that position unless rashford us reintegrated
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What position exactly?

He’s a winger in a 433

Where does he fit in for Amorim? He’s been tried in a few roles when we’ve blessed with cameo appearances

At 10 we’ve got Bruno, Amad, Zirkzee, Garnacho, Mount

At wing back we’ve got Dalot, Mazraoui and Amad.

I’d say we’re covered
 
Foolsgold21 said:
Benefit of the loan is the hope that he shines, or does enough to generate some serious interest in the summer. More chance of him looking good there than with United.

Also assuming Betis cover say £120k a week of his wages, then that saves us £3m. Might be more if there is a loan fee as well.
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Exactly, think of it like an extended trial in the Spanish league. If he does well Spanish clubs will know he can hack it over there and his signing in the summer will be significantly de-risked.
 
I don't think that United would have got 3 points against Southampton without a strong bench. The overload on the right side gave Amad freedom to attack. It's a big gamble to let go of players when we still are in 3 competitions.
 
I think he’ll be an absolute flop in Spain too. Thankfully, there will be little spotlight on him at Betis which might help him regain some confidence and push for a move in the summer knowing he won’t get back in the United squad.
It’s hard to dislike a person you’ve never met but Antony just looks like one of the most annoying little men you could meet. His legacy will be his fidget spinner against lower league opposition when no one was near him - highlighted his mentality and personality.
 
DJ_21 said:
We’re just a very poor run club. We love wasting money. I think Mctominay must be the only player we’ve sold in like the past 10 years where we’ve actually made decent profit from. Can’t remember anyone we’ve signed recently and sold for more than we’ve signed them for.
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What profit? McTominay was an academy player. You can’t claim that as making profit when he was one of our own. Sure it was pure profit, not quite the same as making profit is it?
 
Pughnichi said:
What position exactly?

He’s a winger in a 433

Where does he fit in for Amorim? He’s been tried in a few roles when we’ve blessed with cameo appearances

At 10 we’ve got Bruno, Amad, Zirkzee, Garnacho, Mount

At wing back we’ve got Dalot, Mazraoui and Amad.

I’d say we’re covered
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Mount is forever injured and if Napoli do manage to get to a reasonable figure for Garnacho, it would leave us with 3 players competing for 2 positions.
 
Pughnichi said:
What position exactly?

He’s a winger in a 433

Where does he fit in for Amorim? He’s been tried in a few roles when we’ve blessed with cameo appearances

At 10 we’ve got Bruno, Amad, Zirkzee, Garnacho, Mount

At wing back we’ve got Dalot, Mazraoui and Amad.

I’d say we’re covered
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So at wing back we have 3 players to cover 2 positions for half a season including one who is needed further forward.

That feels risky.
 
Pughnichi said:
What position exactly?

He’s a winger in a 433

Where does he fit in for Amorim? He’s been tried in a few roles when we’ve blessed with cameo appearances

At 10 we’ve got Bruno, Amad, Zirkzee, Garnacho, Mount

At wing back we’ve got Dalot, Mazraoui and Amad.

I’d say we’re covered
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He actually is very useful at right wing back to be fair. His dove tailing with Amad second half vs Southampton for example led to that winning hat trick. Biggest issue is he doesn't have the spark he had at Ajax any longer. Hopefully the loan reignites it. For THAT version of him would be a great wing back option to have in a side with an Amad.
 
UnitedSofa said:
What profit? McTominay was an academy player. You can’t claim that as making profit when he was one of our own. Sure it was pure profit, not quite the same as making profit is it?
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Exactly. That’s my point, it’s still profit no? And the only reason it is profit is because like you said he’s one of our own. It’s still kind of making profit, it would have been profit no matter how much he went for but the fact we got like nearly 30m is making profit as the club developed him into a player where another club thought he was worth that kind of money.
 
DJ_21 said:
Exactly. That’s my point, it’s still profit no? And the only reason it is profit is because like you said he’s one of our own. It’s still kind of making profit, it would have been profit no matter how much he went for but the fact we got like nearly 30m is making profit as the club developed him into a player where another club thought he was worth that kind of money.
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I mean yes technically whatever way you look at it, it is making profit, but the way I read it, it was like buying someone in and then selling them.

Btw this little discussion sparked a thought in my head and I wrote a thread on it, not aimed at you at all! :)
 
VP89 said:
Mount is forever injured and if Napoli do manage to get to a reasonable figure for Garnacho, it would leave us with 3 players competing for 2 positions.
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If Antony scored 20 goals a season we wouldn’t be selling him
 
I think he can definitely do well enough in Spain that someone will be willing to buy him for £15-20m. It's weird why there isn't an option to buy being inserted into the contract, though.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
So on a 5 year contract we're still likely to be owing £30 million or so on the books for him in the summer, with his wages we're not going to be getting anything like that.

Just hope he does ok so we can at least loan him out again next season, and this is the last we've seen of him in a United shirt.
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That's not really the way to look at the finances. We're going to pay call it £25m a year in wages and amortisation, so even if you sell him for £10m and make a book loss of £20m you're still better off than keeping him.
 
I’d have thought he was a decent choice as a hard working LWB, especially considering we have zero options there apart from a right back who’s horrifically out of form.

But Amorim obviously disagrees and thinks we can do without him. I’d like to hope he smashes it over there and we get a fee for him, but you know it’ll be the same sort of loan as martial at Sevilla, and he’ll be back here in June anyway. Seems kind of pointless when we’re so lacking ourselves.
 
Say he does move on loan to Betis. What's the absolute best case scenario? 50% of wages covered (which would be c. £100k a week)? Seems a lot for a club like Betis.
 
Not the best of deals for us but I’m just glad we are identifying quickly when players aren’t good enough instead of letting them hang around like a bad smell.
 
So getting even 100k off the books this month is enough to move the needle? Jesus, we must be really broke
 
Good luck to him. Hope he performs well so the club can get a decent fee for him and he can feck off forever this time.

One of the weirdest transfers in the club’s history.
 
If the club loans him out, maybe they have a replacement coming in on a loan with obligation to buy in the summer.

Or maybe Amorim is going to give an academy player a chance.
 
Rojofiam said:
I think he can definitely do well enough in Spain that someone will be willing to buy him for £15-20m. It's weird why there isn't an option to buy being inserted into the contract, though.
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If his reported wages of 200k are true, which clubs who could even want him would be able to give him that amount?

If we are to ever get rid it will be on a heavy loss on our books considering we may also have to pay him a chunk of the salary he would be owed as no way he is getting anywhere near that elsewhere.
 
I don't think he adds much depth tbh and I don't see why someone from the academy can't provide that depth. In all honesty our league games are mostly pointless now so I would much rather we try players there and let him get some games for betis
 
So much talk about outgoings, not nothing about players coming in :(
 
Pughnichi said:
What position exactly?

He’s a winger in a 433

Where does he fit in for Amorim? He’s been tried in a few roles when we’ve blessed with cameo appearances

At 10 we’ve got Bruno, Amad, Zirkzee, Garnacho, Mount

At wing back we’ve got Dalot, Mazraoui and Amad.

I’d say we’re covered
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Well considering he seems to always want a 10 he runs in behind that leaves amad and garnacho, and amad is probably our best option at right wing back too so not sure you can say we have tjay covered

Not saying Antony offers much but he can offer fresh legs
 
NK86 said:
If his reported wages of 200k are true, which clubs who could even want him would be able to give him that amount?

If we are to ever get rid it will be on a heavy loss on our books considering we may also have to pay him a chunk of the salary he would be owed as no way he is getting anywhere near that elsewhere.
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I'd be surprised if he's earning that much, but I wouldn't rule it out completely. If it's true, then yeah that's potentially a big issue if Antony isn't willing to go somewhere else for way lower wages.
 
Nickosaur said:
Say he does move on loan to Betis. What's the absolute best case scenario? 50% of wages covered (which would be c. £100k a week)? Seems a lot for a club like Betis.
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The fact that they don't have an option to buy says a lot. With such an option, they would have had to take on more of the salary. Betis are currently a bit in no man's land, but can still slip into the Europa League with a good second half of the season. That's probably worth the €5m or so to them.
 
Adisa said:
Will go down as our worst ever signing by some disatance.
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At least Sanchez had age/burnout as an excuse. Antony was a hungry 22 year old who started the season well and inexplicably just stopped performing. Such a weird player.
 
Guessing a loan makes more sense than an outright sale at this point. To his credit he is a hard worker on the pitch but just not that effective, not his fault we were run by idiots at that point.
 
2 man midfield said:
So getting even 100k off the books this month is enough to move the needle? Jesus, we must be really broke
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I don't think we lack money, but we have spent poorly and we seemingly are close to our limits with PSR. Without outgoing, I don't see us sign anyone.
 
The signings under Ten Hag were disastrous, even by the low standards we have set since Sir Alex retired. Antony has been an absolute farce of a signing. We could have spent like half of what we paid Ajax for him on Kudus and ended up with a much better player.
 
#07 said:
The signings under Ten Hag were disastrous, even by the low standards we have set since Sir Alex retired. Antony has been an absolute farce of a signing. We could have spent like half of what we paid Ajax for him on Kudus and ended up with a much better player.
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I'm not sure he's a much better player, think he's blown very hot and cold at West Ham. Agree that his potential level is much higher though, and would have suited the RW slot better under EtH and maybe as one of the 10s under Amorim.

Problem was they didn't really know what his best role was at Ajax. He'd played up front a lot, and I'm fairly sure he saw himself as a CM.

Either way, would still have been a gamble, but at least the price wouldn't have been such a millstone around the club's neck.
 
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