I can see him being loaned out with yearly loan fees until his book fee comes down to a level we can sell him for without taking a hit on the books.
Or we sell him to Forrest, Newcastle for 25-30. I can see them looking at him as good value to drop a level
Probably, if his wages are covered to some extent, a few 5m fees. It might rejuvenate his value if he performs and create a better market.Is PSR such a millstone that we would rather do that than make a loss? I assume the current required fee for him to break even would be about 60m, we might get a third of that maybe.
Would it seriously be better for the club financially to hold onto him for the next year and a half to loan him out rather than just take a hit this summer?
Probably, if his wages are covered to some extent, a few 5m fees. It might rejuvenate his value if he performs and create a better market.
As I see it, I can only see a small pool of clubs willing to spend 25-30m on him. PL is definitely the best market.
if anything his price would drop even further, if by any means he's not absolutely destroying the greek league then his value would drop to nearly 0. We shouldnt be loaning players on that wages to that type of leagues. If anything at least it should be a second tier league like Eredivise or Primeira Liga.Don’t see any real benefit of sending him to Greece. More useful as a squad option here than that.
I think its just a result of how far his value has dropped from the 80m. If we signed him for 45m we’d be able to let him go this summer.Yeah, it's a bit mad that it makes more sense to keep a player because of his book value than it would to cut losses. But we've seen crazy things with good youth prospects sold for what would normally constitute fees for extremely promising prospects, all because of financial house keeping.
Id imagine the Olympiakos move would be a way to park him before moving him to Forest?if anything his price would drop even further, if by any means he's not absolutely destroying the greek league then his value would drop to nearly 0. We shouldnt be loaning players on that wages to that type of leagues. If anything at least it should be a second tier league like Eredivise or Primeira Liga.
You're transposing your dreams onto him. Maybe his dream is just to be very rich and provide for his family?He should be making a huge fuss to push for a loan or move away.
No player in there 20's should be happy with a few cameos at RWB. Why even have an agent and manager if you have given up on your dreams, and are happy to be a substitute.
If Antony is still here when the window closes it says a lot about him as a person.
Sure the money is great at United, but he wouldn't be playing for free else where, show some ambition and get yourself back playing regularly.
You're transposing your dreams onto him. Maybe his dream is just to be very rich and provide for his family?
Wile E. HagTen Hag super genius
Nah it’s not that high. He’s 2.5 years into his five year contract, so you’re looking at another £40 million left. I can see a loan with a small fee for six months and then another attempt to sell him in the summer when his book value would be £32 million. I can see a world where a French or Italian team might part with £25 million after a good loan.Is PSR such a millstone that we would rather do that than make a loss? I assume the current required fee for him to break even would be about 60m, we might get a third of that maybe.
Would it seriously be better for the club financially to hold onto him for the next year and a half to loan him out rather than just take a hit this summer?
I think those days are done unless someone like Kane in his prime becomes available. Look at the profile of players we’re signing now, young players on lower salaries, lads with hunger and something to prove.I pray this and being stuck with Casemiro will make this club think seriously hard next time they want to offer someone a contract north of £200k/wk.
I see him being our Pepe momentI pray this and being stuck with Casemiro will make this club think seriously hard next time they want to offer someone a contract north of £200k/wk.
Lessons have been learned I reckonI pray this and being stuck with Casemiro will make this club think seriously hard next time they want to offer someone a contract north of £200k/wk.
Ten Hag didn't say we should spend 90m on him.Ten Hag super genius
What are you suggesting he said? Bring me Antony I have coached him for 2 years I think he is worth max 15m euros. And then some idiot went and paid 90m for him?Ten Hag didn't say we should spend 90m on him.
He didn’t but I’m assuming murtough or whoever said we can do the deal at £85m, are you absolutely desperate for him? It’s not like they only meet once at the start of the summer to hand over his shopping list, they’ll be in constant dialogue about targets.Ten Hag didn't say we should spend 90m on him.
The problem is Murtough then, in failing to provide alternatives. He has a wide scouting network and couldn't find conviction on a single alternative, until it got to Antony or nothing (who by the way was available for far cheaper but he fecked it up, like he did Mount)He didn’t but I’m assuming murtough or whoever said we can do the deal at £85m, are you absolutely desperate for him? It’s not like they only meet once at the start of the summer to hand over his shopping list, they’ll be in constant dialogue about targets.
Incompetence all around then.He didn’t but I’m assuming murtough or whoever said we can do the deal at £85m, are you absolutely desperate for him? It’s not like they only meet once at the start of the summer to hand over his shopping list, they’ll be in constant dialogue about targets.
Until they make it and their agents start whispering, 'you're better than Casemiro who takes 10 times what you earn whilst sitting in the stands'... Oh wait, it's happening already. How we handle that will tell us if lessons have indeed been learned.I think those days are done unless someone like Kane in his prime becomes available. Look at the profile of players we’re signing now, young players on lower salaries, lads with hunger and something to prove.
That should have been SanchezI see him being our Pepe moment
If not they will be by the time these contracts expire.Lessons have been learned I reckon
Yeah I agree, it ultimately reveals a lack of leadership from the DoF. If you go into each window with a ‘this guy or nobody’ mindset, you’re going to either spend all summer negotiating or have your pants pulled down. In our case, usually both.The problem is Murtough then, in failing to provide alternatives. He has a wide scouting network and couldn't find conviction on a single alternative, until it got to Antony or nothing (who by the way was available for far cheaper but he fecked it up, like he did Mount)
He didn’t say we shouldn’t either ….he must have known Utd were being taken for mugsTen Hag didn't say we should spend 90m on him.
People can bash Ten Hag all they like but people should be fair. It wasn't Ten Hag's job to ascribe monetary value to players. If Ten Hag were at any other club, they still wouldn't have spent 90m on him. This is on the club.He didn’t say we shouldn’t either ….he must have known Utd were being taken for mugs
Given he knew exactly what Utd were buying, you’d like to think he might have had a word.People can bash Ten Hag all they like but people should be fair. It wasn't Ten Hag's job to ascribe monetary value to players. If Ten Hag were at any other club, they still wouldn't have spent 90m on him. This is on the club.
It may be on the club, but ETH is at fault for simply identifying him as a target. He would of been a bad transfer for 20 mil aswell.People can bash Ten Hag all they like but people should be fair. It wasn't Ten Hag's job to ascribe monetary value to players. If Ten Hag were at any other club, they still wouldn't have spent 90m on him. This is on the club.
It wasn't Ten Hag's recommendation, after it was decided Greenwood couldn't play the club came to Ten Hag with a list of replacements and Antony was on top. Of course he is going to agree to signing a player who played well for him. He didn't set the value, he didn't negotiate the price, he didn't sign the deal. The people who do all that stuff came to him and said, we want to bring you this player and he said okay. Do people think they would have said no in that situation if they were manager and were offered a player that played well for them?Given he knew exactly what Utd were buying, you’d like to think he might have had a word.
Complete waste of money all on Ten Hag’s reccomendation.
So he was never consulted on his valuation and was completely oblivious to the fee we were going to pay?It wasn't Ten Hag's recommendation, after it was decided Greenwood couldn't play the club came to Ten Hag with a list of replacements and Antony was on top. Of course he is going to agree to signing a player who played well for him. He didn't set the value, he didn't negotiate the price, he didn't sign the deal. The people who do all that stuff came to him and said, we want to bring you this player and he said okay. Do people think they would have said no in that situation if they were manager and were offered a player that played well for them?
He didn’t but I’m assuming murtough or whoever said we can do the deal at £85m, are you absolutely desperate for him? It’s not like they only meet once at the start of the summer to hand over his shopping list, they’ll be in constant dialogue about targets.
Instead of making shit up in my mind to suit my agenda I go to the source. Ten Hag gave an interview in Dutch this summer in which he was asked about Antony and explained the situation. The club was scrambling because they couldn't use Greenwood, they came to Ten Hag with a list of replacements, Antony was at the top, and he said yes. They had been scouting him all year, as had Arsenal and Liverpool, both of whom also wanted to sign him. He said he had no part of the negotiations, which makes total sense, find me any team that is bringing their coach into the negotiations with another team over player sales. SAF is gone, no one is run like that, it's an antiquated thought that the coach is making these deals. It's lawyers and executives making deals, not the guy running passing drills.So he was never consulted on his valuation and was completely oblivious to the fee we were going to pay?
Genuinely asking as you seem to have been part of the process so will have the knowledge. You were actually there and then when the transfer was closed so will be interesting to hear what really happened.
I think even in a team that dominates possession, his lack of pace will still be an issue in PL. He needs to go to leagues with slower defenders.He's tough player to sell because the only way he'll ever be useful for you is if you are a team that dominates possession in vast majority of your games. If you are trying to play on a counter then he'll do more harm than good. Problem is, if you are good enough to dominate most of your games then you're probably too good to be thinking about buying Antony, unless we're talking a Portuguese/Dutch/Scottish top team who in turn will have no money to pay him. Basically impossible to sell, might be possible to loan.
He could have also said "He's not worth that money, lets get someone else" but as usual, these managers don't care as long as the club is feeding their ego's with players that wantPeople can bash Ten Hag all they like but people should be fair. It wasn't Ten Hag's job to ascribe monetary value to players. If Ten Hag were at any other club, they still wouldn't have spent 90m on him. This is on the club.
