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Funny thing is I doubt we can actually sell him :lol: so many managers probably agree hes shite
 
Jim Beam said:
Antony earned 19k per week in Ajax, so someone needs to explain why the feck he (without even kicking a ball for us and proving anything) got 10 times higher in United. Obviously ten Hag has to share a lot of blame for the transfer itself, but it is clearly a complete feck up from everyone higher up as well. 100 - 120k was absolute ceiling in his case.
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Classic United. Outbidding themselves on wages once again. It's like Matt Judge is still around.
 
Fortitude said:


Apt for here because it highlights both the 1 on 1 aspect as well as the good footballer aspect. You obviously want all attackers to have both, ideally, but usually wingers are heavily tilted toward the 1 on 1, as it's their job, for the most part. The good footballer bit, more reserved for play-making wide-men, even if applicable to other wide-types, it's more expected that a play-maker will be a very good/exceptional footballer.

.... I think the problems we have are pretty clear...
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Depressing watching him with City.
I watched 5 minutes of him on YouTube when he was linked and knew straight away he was exactly what we needed. Pace, strength and loved taking defenders on on the outside.
50m as well is a relative steal.

Murtough needs to take the majority of the blame I think with Antony. Ten Hag had his success with Ajax with Overmars and co above him making transfe decisions. The dawdling in the transfer window caused the problem too. If they had gone early for Antony they would have realised the price was bananas and switched targets.

The question now is who is out there that we can sign for the level required.
Ive always liked Bowen but he would cost a bomb.
 
CallyRed said:
The Mirror linking us with a swap deal with Gabriel Barbosa. It's the Mirror, but I'm clinging on to any hope that he goes in the near future.
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Very very wishful thinking , there is no substance to these stories , pure click bait. He is here for the long haul.
 
We’re stuck with this turd until his contract runs down but the good news is that we have Pellistri and hopefully soon Amad to step in.
 
Wonder it we could use him as a makeweight and get Nicolas Gonzalez from Fiorentina. Even pay his wages. Just get him out of the club. He offers nothing.
 
Fortitude said:


Apt for here because it highlights both the 1 on 1 aspect as well as the good footballer aspect. You obviously want all attackers to have both, ideally, but usually wingers are heavily tilted toward the 1 on 1, as it's their job, for the most part. The good footballer bit, more reserved for play-making wide-men, even if applicable to other wide-types, it's more expected that a play-maker will be a very good/exceptional footballer.

.... I think the problems we have are pretty clear...
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It is also apt because Pep is praising DoF for again identifying and bringing a great player for his set up.
 
Fortitude said:
I can't recall another wide-man in the PL who cannot beat FB's 1on1; even Mata at his slowest could get by FB's. Granted, he had no pace or strength, but enough sleight of foot to send a man the wrong way and buy enough time and space to do something else with the ball. Mata also bought extra time by simply passing the ball off if the FB got too aggressive, so he was always respected in anything but straight up physical contests.

As I said in my post, dredging up the worst wide-men we've had, beating a man wasn't an issue - even when people were questioning if Bebe was a footballer, he could beat a man, before punting his cross into the stands etc.

As you've said, it doesn't matter what type of wide-man you are, there's means and ways to get by your FB if you're savvy enough. Bernado constantly lures with his touch before bouncing a give and go or whatever trap he sets and he's on his way. I find Antony constantly messes up the initial pass, then tries to 'power' past the FB who simply stands his ground, at which point Antony looks quite baffled as to what he can try next.

I would think his form has been affected by external stuff, but it really feels like the word's out and PL FB's just have contempt for his game now. They don't even try to tackle him relying on brute force to usher him off instead. They also don't care if he slips them because he doesn't have any pace to stay ahead, which is emboldening that initial approach, I think. If you can't dribble them, you become extremely predictable, too.

It feels to me like your last sentence is what has been exacerbated by the way he is being man-handled, like he isn't physically capable at PL level. It's a big concern, especially when the rest of the skillset is so mediocre.
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100 per cent agree with everything you have said.

For me the worst aspect of it is that it affects the overall structure of games.

Antony justifiably not being seen as a threat, for the reasons you highlight, means other teams set up against us more proactively.

Its relatively easy for them to abandon him in space and make the pitch compact. As they're pretty confident that, even if we switch the ball out to him, he won't go anywhere with it before they catch up with him.

Antony doesn't play quick passes into space, he doesn't accelerate quickly enough towards the box. The ball going out to Antony is just a cue for the opposition to get back into shape as, invariably, Antony will either run into the first defender that closes him down or stop and go backwards.

The way Antony plays actually makes us easier to stop. Considering Ten Hag's stated goal is to make us the best transition team in England, I just don't see what he gets from persisting with Antony. He's the least Brazilian winger from Brazil I've ever seen.
 
spwd said:
Why did he cost so much? Could have bought Kane and played him there for that price.
The fact that TH had worked with him before is hilarious /unbelievable!
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Antony worked in a squad that had a de Jong, Ziyech and played against eredivisie level players. he isnt bad, but he is no game changer. The money was because of stupid United decisions and Ajax refusing to sell. They shouldv said: okay, well get someone else. Doku for instance.
 
Aretak said:
Because the club dithered and dallied like it always does, wasted the entire summer chasing a player with zero interest in coming here instead of focusing on serious targets, and as a result left Ajax in a position to demand anything they liked because it was the end of the transfer window. And, of course, since there's nobody at the club with two brain cells to rub together, instead of walking away or switching to another, far cheaper target like Gakpo (who seems to be roughly eleventy billion times the player Antony is), they simply coughed up the money rather than say no to the new manager.

Ten Hag has to take his share of the blame for rating this chump, but the club was also an absolute embarrassment and got bent over a barrel as per usual.
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Thank you.


Jim Beam said:
He is apparently on 200k per week. Just for comparison:
- Luis Diaz 60k
- Alvarez 100k
- Gakpo 120k
- Nunez 140k
- Son 190k
- Saka 195k (lots of bonuses, so he earns way more and rightfully so, but his basic salary is less); his new contract was also signed this summer after it became clear he is one of the best wingers/players in the league

Antony earned 19k per week in Ajax, so someone needs to explain why the feck he (without even kicking a ball for us and proving anything) got 10 times higher in United. Obviously ten Hag has to share a lot of blame for the transfer itself, but it is clearly a complete feck up from everyone higher up as well. 100 - 120k was absolute ceiling in his case.
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That's fecking mental. Even worse we paid that price too. :wenger:
 
Jim Beam said:
He is apparently on 200k per week. Just for comparison:
- Luis Diaz 60k
- Alvarez 100k
- Gakpo 120k
- Nunez 140k
- Son 190k
- Saka 195k (lots of bonuses, so he earns way more and rightfully so, but his basic salary is less); his new contract was also signed this summer after it became clear he is one of the best wingers/players in the league

Antony earned 19k per week in Ajax, so someone needs to explain why the feck he (without even kicking a ball for us and proving anything) got 10 times higher in United. Obviously ten Hag has to share a lot of blame for the transfer itself, but it is clearly a complete feck up from everyone higher up as well. 100 - 120k was absolute ceiling in his case.
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Did he really go from 19k to 200k when he signed or is it an exaggeration? Because that's just mental.
 
Jim Beam said:
Small correction. According to this (and some other sites), he was earning 25k gross in Ajax. So, yeah, it is/was absolutely mental to give him such salary in United.

https://www.capology.com/player/antony-36580/
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Oh 25k, that's fine then... fecking hell.
He should have gone from 25 to 75 plus bonuses, and then renegotiated after a year if he did good. We weren't in competition for him, not surprisingly.
 
Serious question, is he actually a winger? At the moment all he seems to do is provide an outlet out wide, but he doesn't actually do anything resembling a wingers duties. Unable to beat a man, unable to create anything, and occasionaly shoots off one foot. What ETH seen in him at Ajax to bring him here must be one of the most baffling calls in our recent history.
 
I really dislike him as a player what is worse he is such an unlikable character too.
 
Maybe it's just me, but I think he's looked ok the few times he's been playing more centrally. He can't cross and can't go past a man over distance, but he can play the simple passes quite well.
 
Is it too simplistic to say try such a one footed footballer on his natural side ? I’m far from convinced he can get past a man on the left but surely there’s got to be more chance than on the right ? Hojlund, at least, might stand a better chance of balls coming into the box from more natural angles of delivery. It’s such a desperate situation with him I’d try anything.
 
Things like this would cost people their jobs, but we're instead just get to watch him start week in week out.
 
Really can't see Antony coming back from his start here. Not at United anyway.

If you look at him compared to a few other diminutive attacking players brought in that also didn't have bags of pace or dynamism, like Kagawa and Mhikitaryan, he has probably been quite significantly less promising. Those two could never turn the tide. Threatened it for the odd match but never seriously over a period. Antony has even more work to do to look effective.
 
Jim Beam said:
It is also apt because Pep is praising DoF for again identifying and bringing a great player for his set up.
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Pep is quite a good case study in managers not being involved in transfers. At Barcelona, he brought in Ibra and didn't know what to do with him (And got rid of Eto'o who worked well in his system), brought in Fabregas and didn't know what to do with him, brought in that Chygrinsky guy and thought he could be a useful addition to Pique and Puyol, etc etc. He's not seemed to be very involved in transfers since Barcelona
 
RedIan said:
Seen a few youtube channels saying hes on the move in January a swop deal or loan.
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Not a snowballs chance in hell. Who in their right mind would buy him let alone pay his wages? Plus Ten Haag would never let him go. Ever
 
UpWithRivers said:
Not a snowballs chance in hell. Who in their right mind would buy him let alone pay his wages? Plus Ten Haag would never let him go. Ever
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Well, if we sack Ten Haag in November and he finds a club by January, maybe we can offer him to buy all his guys and bring them to his new club?
 
UpWithRivers said:
Not a snowballs chance in hell. Who in their right mind would buy him let alone pay his wages? Plus Ten Haag would never let him go. Ever
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Seemingly it’s a swap loan deal with Fluminese and we get Barbosa in exchange to help with the striking options.

Not seen or heard about Barbosa since he crashed and burned at Inter but surely can’t be any worse than Antony right now.
 
GreatDane said:
Oh 25k, that's fine then... fecking hell.
He should have gone from 25 to 75 plus bonuses, and then renegotiated after a year if he did good. We weren't in competition for him, not surprisingly.
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It's crazy that you and I know this. And this isn't even our job.
Yet the people at our club whose job it is to negotiate salaries don't know this.
I am absolutely sure that they are hiring staff who are not fit for the job.
 
People forgot how Antony destroyed Barcelona with his winning goal last season.
 
Cloud7 said:
Pep is quite a good case study in managers not being involved in transfers. At Barcelona, he brought in Ibra and didn't know what to do with him (And got rid of Eto'o who worked well in his system), brought in Fabregas and didn't know what to do with him, brought in that Chygrinsky guy and thought he could be a useful addition to Pique and Puyol, etc etc. He's not seemed to be very involved in transfers since Barcelona
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Didn't he have the same board back then?
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
You're wrong.
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James was miles more effective for us. As technically limited as he was, he won games for us, he was a threat with his pace. Looking at Antony's output for almost a season and a half now, I can't see any argument for saying he's been better than James. James' numbers are much better as well.
 
Jev said:
James was miles more effective for us. As technically limited as he was, he won games for us, he was a threat with his pace. Looking at Antony's output for almost a season and a half now, I can't see any argument for saying he's been better than James. James' numbers are much better as well.
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They are wrong because we bought Antony for more than 80m.
 
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