Good post as usual.
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I actually misread your post. I thought you were talking about upgrades in our squad as a whole. I agree with your rankings (except DDG who would be in my top 3 most in need of an upgrade). But the fact he’s so high up that list still means we definitely shouldn’t be looking to move him on
I don't think we should move him on either (yet, at least). Just seems like flawed logic to me when people suggest we need to buy better players in order to unlock him, given that that might entail replacing players who are better than him from the starting eleven.
Really is. He should be cutting onto his left and swinging it in.. something Gakpo does very well.
Not to "unlock" him. To improve him.
It's only flawed logic if you think the only determining factor in whether someone should be the team is their innate quality.
But style of play and whether players fit the style of play matters. Because the aim to to get the whole functioning at a level greater than sum of the parts, not to install the best individual parts.
And while Antony quite clearly hasn't been particularly good this season, he is also quite clearly stylistically more suited to ETH's preferred possession/control/pressing heavy style of football than nearly every other player in the side. And it follows that he's therefore more likely than others to improve as we shift as a team in that direction, particularly in the positions that most directly impact him.
Even more so when those positions are (by your own admission above) two of the positions we're weaker in anyway. It's not like we'd be making those upgrades with Antony in mind, he just happens to be the player most likely to benefit.
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We were also linked with players like Dumfries (mostly last summer) and Frimpong (as recently as earlier today), both of whom would very attack minded buys. If I was to guess I'd say whoever we sign for RB is more likely to be of that ilk than Timber, but who knows.
You are not wrong but some of those guy should not be in that conversation.
Saka first season of senior football
Almiron was not a starter
The Mahrez, Salah and Son comparison is bob on. He is done brilliant in my opinion, He is currently operating at the expected level of a wide. It’s about the next step in the coming years and he looks determined enough.
You clearly know little about actual chance creation
Of course I do. Everybody else is wrong but you.
If you speak to any City fan right now they wouldn't say they got screwed over for Grealish. He's in outstanding form and is now one of the first names on the teamsheet. Similarly to Antony, his first season was a transitional season where he appeared to be effective for large parts. It takes players time to bed in. All I'm saying is maybe we should wait until next season before we start having the conversation about whether or not Antony is a flop. Once we sign better players around him (a CF who could offer more than Weghorst would be nice), then chances are his performance levels will improve.
Yeah I don't see him making it if he doesn't change the way he plays,even Erik will reach breaking point with him then
Oh no, I mean the combo with Martial (who will inevitably be injured against soon).
I'm absolutely more frustrated by Sancho. But then I'm also not because the more I watch him, the more convinced I am that between Solskjaer and Woodward there was absolutely no idea what we were signing other than impressive BuLi G/A stats.
His YouTube video was underwhelming, that's usually a bad sign.
Relates to you
Antony is not a bad player, he can be useful as long as he understands that he is not fecking Neymar and actually closer to Willian, to which I would be surprised if he reaches his levels in the PL.
You brought a lot of sense in this thread and thank you for that.
The most underwhelming YouTube video of all time for me was Sancho Bundesliga for Dortmund.
Would beat a high defensive line by doing shit all and then play a cut back for the striker to tap in.
Rinse & Repeat and then he had amazing stats in the Bundesliga.
On a side note, whats the first step of going towards what Arsenal play, getting rid of De Gea? Cause Martinez and Varane have a good pass on them as well as Casemiro.
Of course it is - its all part of the same phase of play. We are not talking about the season - we are talking about the game on Sunday here - he was the only player who was creating anything.
The Dalot chance was from Antony not another player.
Yeah I’d say start from the back and the very top.
Replace De Gea and we can play a higher line because we will have a GK that comes off his line to be a sweeper or even just collect crosses.
Then we need a goal scorer because as Weghorst has shown - creating for someone who can’t score goals is just a waste of time and space.
We get those two then our defensive line improves and our attacking line improves. Both opposite sides of the pitch improves by 2 signings.
Ten Hag concentrated more on midfield first season with Casemiro and Eriksen as well.
Our next step would be to improve our squad man for man - find a better RB, find a better RCB than Maguire, Lindelof (this might be done by one signing of a RCB/RB like white from Arsenal for example or two separate), find back ups for Casemiro & Eriksen (maybe signed from other clubs or upgrade from our youth system), ten Hag has to decide if Bruno’s risky creative play is what he wants in his team as well. He seems like the United version of Arteta’s decision on Ozil at Arsenal.
Then he has to decide if the player who shall not be named returns or not to play our RW and back up ST.
Then I think our squad is fixed for a consistent title challenge. It seems like it will take another year/ 2 transfer seasons to make this happen - so the next season title challenge may be unrealistic unless we get bought by billionaires who spends it instantly but better quality than Chelsea’s expenditure.
Start on the two opposite ends of the pitch - GK & Striker, then improve the squad man for man.
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Yeah, but the thing is we probably wont get all the players we need this summer and I wonder in which order ETH will go. Rumblings going around are stiker, midfield and RB positions are a priority.
Cutting in and swinging it in to who though? Who is there or making these runs? Antony even released Dalot once in this game who played a good ball in but neither Weghorst or Rashford got any where close to it.
He does need to improve his crossing but his lack of attempted crosses is partly due to lack of a proper striker.
I fully agree.
Plenty of people think he creates feck all. A flick pass to Dalot forty yards from goal along the touchline doesn’t count for anybody but you.
Dalot chance? Nobody in their right mind would consider that creating a chance. He was forty yards from goal.
Sorry Sabizer not Dalot - should have been drilled in the bottom corner or squared to Weghorst for a tap in. He slipped passed 3 players for that chance leave Sabitzer free in the box.
Which one was that? Was that the 3v3 break in which he refuses to attack his defender?
This one... he done Burn and drew 2 players towards him to leave Sabizter free
This is what he did for Weghorst to who just hit the net.
He also took on and beat his man from the right side 2 or 3 times rather than just cutting in on his left before he was subbed.
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But you are wrong about this... sometimes the 3rd pass before a goal is the most important - it can split a defence and lead to a tap in.
Because Erik bought him and fought hard to get him as shown by how much we paid for him, I feel he will be given more leeway than a player he didn't buy. ETH has somewhat adapted his tactical approach due to what he has available to him, he will ultimately want to be a more possession based team. In that team, Antony would be a more useful asset than he is now. Playing off an actual number 9 will also help him. He will need to adapt his game as all young players do. Your first season is usually a free hit somewhat, defenders now know he wants to cut inside and shoot, so they will adapt. Top 4 was our aim this season and a cup, we are well on our way to that. Next season we will have bigger aims, and I think that would apply to Antony as well in terms of performances
He tried to finesse the ball and shoot too many times an this game, it was unbearable for me to see.
Just try other things mate, you can't do the exact same ting all the time, defenders will eventually figure you out.
Just try other things mate, you can't do the exact same ting all the time, defenders will eventually figure you out.
You just describe a passenger haha
So once we spend another couple hundred million, our 100m winger will get better, good to know
7 goals in 30 appearances isn't a bad return for a passenger.
It’s never the most important. It may sometimes be the best pass but ultimately the final action is always the most important. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this. His stats tell all.
7 goals and 1 assist in 31 matches for a winger is a pretty bad return. Like seriously it's godawful. Now that's without mentioning how much he costs.
One assist!
It’s an ok return. Part of the problem though is how often he shoots. He’s in the 86th percentile for shots. From that, he should be scoring more.
He isn’t a 100mil player.
don’t know why people keep saying that.
don’t know why people keep saying that.
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