Nani was one of the most frustrating players to watch - sublime one game and shite the next
I hope he settles better than him
21
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 44
- Goals
- 8
- Assists
- 3
- Yellow cards
- 8
- Status
Nani was one of the most frustrating players to watch - sublime one game and shite the next
I hope he settles better than him
I seriously don't get the agenda against this guy.
Not his fault he cost £85m.
I thought he was the only player yesterday with some energy and desire.
We are absolutely a better team with Antony in there.
Not his fault he cost £85m.
I thought he was the only player yesterday with some energy and desire.
We are absolutely a better team with Antony in there.
It's his first PL season ffs.
1st full PL seasons year / games / goals / assists.
Salah - 13/14 - 10/2/1
Mahrez - 14/15 - 30/4/3
Saka - 19/20 - 26/1/5
Martinelli - 19/20 - 14/3/0
Almiron - 19/20 - 36/4/2
Son - 15/16 - 28/4/1
Antony - 22/23 - 14/3/0
Seriously, it's his first season he's playing ahead of two rubbish full backs and has no striker in the middle to actually create for.
He was the only forward yesterday even remotely in the game
When he gets into space, then stops, turns back, I feel sad.
Only attacker that showed any hint he was actually a Man Utd player yesterday. Not sure why he’s been hung out to dry by some.
I wouldn't write off a young wide player in their first EPL season playing in a team with no striker.
Was decent.
Although fecking infuriating when he just stops and turns back when he has continents of space to go in the inside.
Although fecking infuriating when he just stops and turns back when he has continents of space to go in the inside.
Hes a United player. He plays with desire and hunger. More than most of that squad.
I agree that we probably need someone better than both of them, but before the WC and his injury Dalot was getting really high up the pitch and offering the kind of threat AWB just can't because of his level of technique. AWB has been better recently, but still isn't suited to playing in a way that lets us control games and keep possession, especially without Casemiro and Eriksen in the middle. The Dalot/Anthony partnership looked like it was going to be quite fruitful, especially as they both allowed us to play out from the back better and keep the ball higher up the pitch.
Dalot just really seems to be playing within himself since the injury, but you could say that about a lot of them at the moment. Especially the squad players. We need them to really put in some fight to make up for the drop in quality, but they're just not doing it. I can't tell whether that's because the manager can't motivate them, or because they've gotten away with being overpaid and mediocre for too long.
He was good yesteday especially in context to the teams performance. Needs a fullback who can over/under lap.
He shouldn't have been subbed off yesterday but he frustrates the Hell out of me.
At one point Burn and ASM broke for Newcastle and attacked down our right. They lost the ball around the start of our half and were out position. Ball is played down the flank to Antony and the centre half moves across to cover. Bear in mind there is no full back or winger. Antony runs forward then about 5 yards from their box stops, cuts back inside and nothing happens, Newcastle recover.
It's one part but I went mental watching it. Just take the fecking man on, it was the centre half!!I mean for goodness sake, if you aren't gonna take on one of those then you will never try and go by anyone. It's so maddening to see it happen time and time again.
At one point Burn and ASM broke for Newcastle and attacked down our right. They lost the ball around the start of our half and were out position. Ball is played down the flank to Antony and the centre half moves across to cover. Bear in mind there is no full back or winger. Antony runs forward then about 5 yards from their box stops, cuts back inside and nothing happens, Newcastle recover.
It's one part but I went mental watching it. Just take the fecking man on, it was the centre half!!I mean for goodness sake, if you aren't gonna take on one of those then you will never try and go by anyone. It's so maddening to see it happen time and time again.
He wasn't bad yesterday (nor was he great either) but I very much wish we hadn't signed him. When you spend 85m you need genuine top class talent and he's just not that.
Erik and the club have had a mare with this one.
Erik and the club have had a mare with this one.
He was good for 15 min then turned into obscurity like the rest.
Rashford was even worse but he can score a goal so it was Antony who was taken off. Shows enough that it is all about getting goals.
Rashford was even worse but he can score a goal so it was Antony who was taken off. Shows enough that it is all about getting goals.
he didn't exactly show much desire to get back and help out his full back, for the modern winger, that has to be part of your role.
Is this sarcasm? He was giving Burn real problems on the right.
Really needs to be contributing as his productivity has been dire.
He has less goals and assists than Martial this season, which is terrible. Martial has only played 490 minutes (3 goals 2 assists) to Antony's 1142 mins (3 goals). Garnacho also has more and he has only played 449 minutes (2 goals & 2 assists). Casemiro has more and Fred is equal to him.
There is no threat there for the opposition to be worried about. He is very easy to defend against.
He has less goals and assists than Martial this season, which is terrible. Martial has only played 490 minutes (3 goals 2 assists) to Antony's 1142 mins (3 goals). Garnacho also has more and he has only played 449 minutes (2 goals & 2 assists). Casemiro has more and Fred is equal to him.
There is no threat there for the opposition to be worried about. He is very easy to defend against.
Are you serious? He put in a very solid defensive shift. The contrast between his defensive efforts and our winger on the opposite flank couldn’t have been more obvious.
I like him when he drifts around. Which is rare.
If we're looking to mix it up in the 10 position I think he'd be a handful there for the opposition.
If we're looking to mix it up in the 10 position I think he'd be a handful there for the opposition.
I know he isn't particularly fast but watching him yesterday against Burn who isn't fast at all was frustrating.
There were times when he got the space to take him and he sprinted got himself a yard or two of separation and instead of pushing it to the line he slowed down and started stepping on the ball doing some kind of roll with it just giving Burn time to catch up.
He seems a strong player for his size and has a low center of gravity. For guys like Burn playing guys like Antony should be a nightmare but he made it easy for him.
The lack of use of his right foot is concerning to say the least. We all know he's going to cut out to the inside, it's became so predictable that it makes the defenders job so easy. He either cuts inside to try that curled shot or he passed back. There's not threat there, for someone of his price and so highly regarded I expect way way better.
There were times when he got the space to take him and he sprinted got himself a yard or two of separation and instead of pushing it to the line he slowed down and started stepping on the ball doing some kind of roll with it just giving Burn time to catch up.
He seems a strong player for his size and has a low center of gravity. For guys like Burn playing guys like Antony should be a nightmare but he made it easy for him.
The lack of use of his right foot is concerning to say the least. We all know he's going to cut out to the inside, it's became so predictable that it makes the defenders job so easy. He either cuts inside to try that curled shot or he passed back. There's not threat there, for someone of his price and so highly regarded I expect way way better.
Said it at the start of the season, all the trickery (If you can even call it that) is utterly pointless. Great for Youtube compilations when you're doing it against Eredivisie wank but even bog-standard PL fullbacks will laugh you off the wing with it.
Either he changes the way he plays or he's out of here in 18 months.
Either he changes the way he plays or he's out of here in 18 months.
Go back and watch those YouTube compilations and he struggles to beat the Eridivisie wank with his trickery as well. I've never seen a fullback genuinely buy a feint off him.
Genuinely the most underwhelming YouTube compilation of an allegedly "exciting" attacker I'd ever seen.
Put in a solid defensive shift where, in the attacking half, he certainly didn't track back into our defensive third and help out his full back who was clearly struggling at times. Watch the much maligned Grealish for City v Liverpool, and see how much he drops back and helps out and contrast that to Antony. It's all well and good looking busy in the attacking third but when their full backs attack, he too often for me doesn't track back
It’s amazing how people see what they want to see with certain players. For all the complaints I might have about Antony, graft/hustle isn’t one of them.
Looking forward to him with Anthony Martial.
I think he looked better at the start of the season with a better striker to play with that can play him on goal compared to whatever Weghorst offers.
I think he looked better at the start of the season with a better striker to play with that can play him on goal compared to whatever Weghorst offers.
that applies the opposite way as well. For a player who cost 85 million or so, his return hasn't been great. Not writing him off, and I don't think any reasonable fan is, it's his first season in a team in transition, but we can stand back and be critical. Showing what you call graft/hustle in our the attacking half is fine, no-one saying he doesn't do that. What he doesn't do enough yet though, is the hard yards tracking back attacking full backs who are in our half or help out with wingers causing our full backs issues. He's young and he'll improve in that regard.
What do you measure creativity by?
The head coach we've appointed places emphasis on a certain method of play where he wants to exert zonal and positional control with the aim of playing vertical passes. And the current Man Utd isn't even Brighton on the ball, hence we struggle to 'create plays' from the first phase which would allow us to create plays as a collective unit. Creativity isn't only measured by making the final pass before a goal but rather creativity begins from the goalkeeper within the principles in question which have become the norm at Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, Brighton etc.
Quality players within a system of play make the whole greater than the sum of it's parts. And it's important to attempt to understand who and where the problems lay with, which hinders us becoming a more proactive attacking team within the principles of play I've already explained in various posts since yesterday.
So it's not about me creating a niche role in my mind but rather some of you who refuse to acknowledge the real issues which hinder us in possession (and have done for sometime) where we play reactive football with the goalkeeper being a ever present in it all, which creates a style of play that is based on a transitional game rather than a more controlled method of play which has been seen at the likes of City and Liverpool in the last 5 years and currently Arsenal. Those teams have a build up phase, which starts from the keeper, hence they can player higher up the pitch, control possession and apply the press and counter press effectively.
Don't do it to yourself...you'll see it no more than twice.
He was marked with burn and disn't test him once. That was so disappointing.
I personally can give Antony time - primarily because he is better than Sancho IMO in his first season.
Feel like I’m more irritated by Sancho and am done with him.
Blaming the RB for his shit play is dumb. He's the one who actually sets the starting position of his full back. He hugs the touch line, so naturally the fullbacks going to occupy the inside channel. This is common sense.
They actually do move out, when he goes inside but he has no idea how to use an overlap because everyone knows as soon as he's anywhere the 16 yard box he wants to let off a wasteful/feeble shot into the far corner.
Look at the way Rashford and Shaw link up on the other hand. Rashford takes up the inside channel which naturally means Shaw has to take up the overlapping position. But they also switch it around. This all quite clearly by design.
They actually do move out, when he goes inside but he has no idea how to use an overlap because everyone knows as soon as he's anywhere the 16 yard box he wants to let off a wasteful/feeble shot into the far corner.
Look at the way Rashford and Shaw link up on the other hand. Rashford takes up the inside channel which naturally means Shaw has to take up the overlapping position. But they also switch it around. This all quite clearly by design.
There’s no point. Some have decided to only be negative about him.
What good is beating the full back if you then don’t deliver a cross ?
in the premier league ?
Because we are talking about a winger here not a full back, weghorst is shite enough without having zero supply
So does Weghorst.
a "United player" should be of the ilk of Casemiro, Rooney ... hunger and desire combined with being excellent at their respective jobs,
seeing as they're startes for Man Utd.
Antony is a winger who excels defensively. This should never be good enough for us.
Yes, he's new to the league and by default deserves some time. The price we paid for him is not his fault.
But feck me, he's shown almost nothing to make me think he could hack it in 1-2 seasons' time.
I still don't understand what setup he needs in order to show us his best ability.
And what his prime actually looks like.
Last edited:
Who said anything about the Premier League? My point was the accusation that he hasn't got an assist for United is false.
Stop making stuff up
- Status