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2017-18 Performances

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5.8 Season Average Rating
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18
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Chelsea 1:0 Man Utd
How do people say he's one of the best RBs around with a straight face? Physically he does a fine job but rarely offers anything going forward. Aimless floated balls into the area do absolutely nothing.

One perfect cross from Dave today and Chelsea scored.

Edit: let me just say, I'm not blaming him for the loss today by any means. He was fine-ish, but that isn't enough.
 
Bubz27 said:
How do people say he's one of the best RBs around with a straight face? Physically he does a fine job but rarely offers anything going forward. Aimless floated balls into the area do absolutely nothing.

One perfect cross from Dave today and Chelsea scored.

Edit: let me just say, I'm not blaming him for the loss today by any means. He was fine-ish, but that isn't enough.
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I would say he's one of the best right backs in the league.

He wasn't great today though, didn't really do much. He needs to take his man on more.
 
Bubz27 said:
How do people say he's one of the best RBs around with a straight face? Physically he does a fine job but rarely offers anything going forward. Aimless floated balls into the area do absolutely nothing.

One perfect cross from Dave today and Chelsea scored.

Edit: let me just say, I'm not blaming him for the loss today by any means. He was fine-ish, but that isn't enough.
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What's their goal got to do with him though?
 
Bubz27 said:
How do people say he's one of the best RBs around with a straight face? Physically he does a fine job but rarely offers anything going forward. Aimless floated balls into the area do absolutely nothing.

One perfect cross from Dave today and Chelsea scored.

Edit: let me just say, I'm not blaming him for the loss today by any means. He was fine-ish, but that isn't enough.
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Totally agree.

3-5-2 will never work when we have two brain dead wingbacks like Young and Valencia.
 
Bubz27 said:
How do people say he's one of the best RBs around with a straight face? Physically he does a fine job but rarely offers anything going forward. Aimless floated balls into the area do absolutely nothing.

One perfect cross from Dave today and Chelsea scored.

Edit: let me just say, I'm not blaming him for the loss today by any means. He was fine-ish, but that isn't enough.
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Agreed. Just can’t beat a man and create. I remember him taking on players under Fergie. Looks like age has caught up with him. Not blaming him today.
 
Sigma said:
I would say he's one of the best right backs in the league.

He wasn't great today though, didn't really do much. He needs to take his man on more.
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Maybe 4th or 5th.

Cesar and Walker are clearly ahead of him. Trippier is showing himself a fantastic RB as well, the only thing Valencia has over him is that he's been doing it in this league for longer.

Controversial I know, but Clyne at his best is a good RB as well, maybe on par with Valencia.
 
It's pointless to expect him to something he hasn't in x amount of years, that is trying to cross it accurately. At least trying to aim at someone.
 
I like him and feel he's come in for a lot of unfair criticism over the years but he looks physically shot. He must be carrying some kind of injury.
 
kouroux said:
It's pointless to expect him to something he hasn't in x amount of years, that is trying to cross it accurately. At least trying to aim at someone.
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I agree. Its not expected. But I do expect us to expect better. And it's baffling how not only does he get away with it, but gets called one of the best around.
 
LuisNaniencia said:
I thought you were blaming him for the goal, otherwise why mention it?
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Oh no, misunderstanding.

I meant their RB put in a great cross today (I know he's playing RCB today but he's a full back). Our RB hasn't put in a good cross since I can't remember.

It was a comparison of the 2 players.
 
Bubz27 said:
I agree. Its not expected. But I do expect us to expect better. And it's baffling how not only does he get away with it, but gets called one of the best around.
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Nobody's saying he's the one of the best because of his crossing.

He's a very good defender, very physical, very fast, very hard working. He's also shown to be a good leader this season and last (for example the Europa League final)

Attacking wise he offers and outlet, can get you up the pitch fast, good at passing and linking up play, and his first touch is extremely good.

Bubz27 said:
Oh no, misunderstanding.

I meant their RB put in a great cross today (I know he's playing RCB today but he's a full back). Our RB hasn't put in a good cross since I can't remember.

It was a comparison of the 2 players.
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He put in a good cross today for Rashford:

Irrational. said:
Nice cross from Valencia, bit too much power on it.
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matherto said:
Rashford not really giving Valencia an option there, his movement off the ball needs improvement.
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Redlyn said:
Great ball in by valencia
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Jazz said:
Such a shame as Valencia's cross was good
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Bubz27 said:
Oh no, misunderstanding.

I meant their RB put in a great cross today (I know he's playing RCB today but he's a full back). Our RB hasn't put in a good cross since I can't remember.

It was a comparison of the 2 players.
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Oh gotcha, my bad.

Do you remember Valencia winning the ball off Alonso in the first half and put in a decent ball towards Lukaku? Sky sports didn't show a replay so it was easily forgotten, was a good cross though. Difference being, it wasn't converted.
 
Wanted him to do more today. He was as afraid today as Smalling is every match.
 
Not having the best of seasons, especially as he was immense last season. The drop in quality is huge, and with his lack of mobility at the end of the game and the stories about him icing and injecting his knees after every game, you'd imagine he's not playing at 100% each week.
 
The word is limited. He's a machine and reliable. But what he offers is feck all in terms of quality.

Both full back positions are a problem and Mourinho hasn't signed a single fullback yet (that's a criticism - not an excuse).
 
Looks devoid of ideas every time he gets the ball these days. Solid in defence, but him bouncing around the ball before trying a random cross or passing it backwards is getting annoying.
 
Sigma said:
Nobody's saying he's the one of the best because of his crossing.

He's a very good defender, very physical, very fast, very hard working. He's also shown to be a good leader this season and last (for example the Europa League final)

Attacking wise he offers and outlet, can get you up the pitch fast, good at passing and linking up play, and his first touch is extremely good.



He put in a good cross today for Rashford:
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I agree about all this traits, but elite fullbacks need more than that imo, especially in a 3-5-2.

I'll need to be reminded about that cross as I don't remember it. Did it reach Rashford or was it overhit? Some of those comments sound as if it was overhit or didn't reach its target.
 
I love him, but we definitely need to move on from him starting from next season tbh. Solid defensively but he has regressed a lot offensively and we can't afford that.
 
LuisNaniencia said:
Oh gotcha, my bad.

Do you remember Valencia winning the ball off Alonso in the first half and put in a decent ball towards Lukaku? Sky sports didn't show a replay so it was easily forgotten, was a good cross though. Difference being, it wasn't converted.
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Like you say, it was decent. That's all he is nowadays unfortunately.

Imo, RB is a teeny bit behind LB in terms of being a position we need improving.
 
Just not good enough as an outlet on the right. Yes, he's quick and has great stamina but he has zero dribbling ability. When he has the ball he can't be expected to dribble 5 meters forward when under pressure.
 
He's been looking passive for quite a while now and at the end it looked like this knee issue we heard about really took over.
 
Has completely stopped running at players. As was said earlier looks shot physically and definately looks like for a while has been carrying an injury.

No longer an outlet on the right. Instead stands back in his own half launching high balls into the box. We obviously need more from our fullbacks than this
 
acnumber9 said:
I like him and feel he's come in for a lot of unfair criticism over the years but he looks physically shot. He must be carrying some kind of injury.
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He's supposedly icing his knee after every game. Not sure how commonpractice that is, but he's definitely getting on a bit, and carries a massive amount of weight. It wouldn't be totally unexpected for him to physically fall off a cliff at the highest level. It's happened to better players before him.
 
LuisNaniencia said:
We played 3 centre backs, he was right wing back. You're really stretching there.
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Aye me, Henry,Nev,Souness all stretching. Not saying it’s all his fault just pointing out Bailly should be moving across and Valencia doing the same. A WB’s job is also to get back and defend as a FB would. He wasn’t at fault obviously for the goal, there was a whole lot of things that led to it just pointing out he didn’t do the correct thing either.

He does still at times switch off and do a lot of ball watching. Against Huddersfield as well he practically gave up on the Mata one.
 
He is a great defender and a really reliable one.... but he offers very little going forward.
When he has the ball in attacking spaces, he just shoots in a cross with zero aim. Way too few assists and goals
 
James Peril said:
He is a great defender and a really reliable one.... but he offers very little going forward.
When he has the ball in attacking spaces, he just shoots in a cross with zero aim. Way too few assists and goals
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I just think his final ball leaves a lot to be desired, but you can’t say he offers very little going forward. His dribbling and pace means he gives a lot more than any other full back we have, and occasionally gets some great shots off. I don’t think I’d swap him for another right back in the league, besides maybe Walker. Perhaps Trippier too in a couple years.
 
Off the ball he's dreadful which is a bigger issue than his on ball quality. There's so much space down the flanks, just fecking run into it like Walker, Alonso and any other decent full back does. And if the manager has a problem with it, tell him to feck right off and take a shit on his face if necessary.
 
Valencia can still be an above average FB if he's not needed to support the attack. I don't think he can influence the game in attack enough to be an average wingback. If Mourinho is going to play wingbacks, play Young at RWB and bring Demetri Mitchell up from the reserves to play LWB at least until better options are available. Mitchell has shown promise at both wide forward and left back. You would think LWB would be a natural fit for his physical abilities and skill set.
 
Personally I would rather have gone in to this season with Fosu at RB or RWB than Valencia. We supposedly also looked at Semedo and rumours of twin bids for Lindelof and he but in the end Barca swooped. Would have thought intrest in Fabinho would have also been for a RB/RWB slot.
For me this has been a position that’s needed addressing for a few years, Valencia really should be a squad player.
 
LennonNL said:
I just think his final ball leaves a lot to be desired, but you can’t say he offers very little going forward. His dribbling and pace means he gives a lot more than any other full back we have, and occasionally gets some great shots off. I don’t think I’d swap him for another right back in the league, besides maybe Walker. Perhaps Trippier too in a couple years.
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I don't see this.

He's one of those players we'll have to be pretty brutal with. Great attitude, doesn't let you down as such but needs replacing. Especially if we're contining to play without a right winger.
 
Dobbs said:
I don't see this.

He's one of those players we'll have to be pretty brutal with. Great attitude, doesn't let you down as such but needs replacing. Especially if we're contining to play without a right winger.
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Perhaps not dribbling in the sense of how Hazard and Silva do it where they take several players on, but he’s alright at getting the ball at his feet and moving with it, much better than any of our other right back options like Darmian. We could definitely do better.
 
LennonNL said:
Perhaps not dribbling in the sense of how Hazard and Silva do it where they take several players on, but he’s alright at getting the ball at his feet and moving with it, much better than any of our other right back options like Darmian. We could definitely do better.
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You're talking about last season.

This season he never tries to take on defenders anymore. Gets the ball, stand on it, then pass it backward, rinse and repeat.
 
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