[Andersons Dietician]

When did Walker dribble past players more than Valencia ever did? Admittedly, I don't watch all the big leagues as much as you seem to do, so there may be some that do this with regularity and are great defensively as well.

The only fullbacks that I have seen that go past players like wingers are/were Marcelo and Evra and to some extent Carvajal. All the others, including Alves, were/are more dependant on their wingers creating space to run into. I think there were stats last season showing that Valencia had more successful take ons than any other fullback in the league. Considering that Valencia had more crosses last season than any other player in the league, and far ahead of any other fullback, your arguments just seem weirdly biased towards one of our better performers over the last couple of seasons.

It's nice that you talk about a clip showing Semedo going past three players - go watch a Youtube compilation of Valencia. He's done that a fair few times.

He needs to get more assists, and he needs to get more up the pitch like he did against Newcastle. If he can continue last season's form, I have no issues with him at all.

One thing about Valencia that seem to go unnoticed is how good he is at bringing the ball out from defense. With all our other defenders playing hoofball, it's nice to see him (and Young) actually having the ability and calm to play out from the back.

His stats last season are easily rubbished by anyone watching him tho as they only paint half the picture. It would be intresting to know the positioning of where those crosses were from because visually watching them they were not even from in line with the 18 yarder and were more like diagonal long balls. I’d say the danger created from crosses as more valuable than amount. That’s just my opinion but his crossing position last season was an area of absolutely no threat, so for me I’m not surprised by that stat but they don’t exclude how innaficentbhe is at causing issues in that final 3rd.

You say continue last seasons form but last seasons form wasn’t good enough and RB is an issue for this club and how innafective it has been at times of breaking people down. I think Valencia is a solid performer (a jobber for lack of a better term) you know what you’ll get week in and week out but it’s just not at the level of the best RB’s.

 

[LuisNaniencia]

To be honest I’ve been critical of Valencia since Fergie was in charge and this seasons performances are exactly the same as last year to me and the year before and the year before that.

I can understand the criticism for this season and past seasons, but you can't of been watching very closely criticizing him last season. Either that or you're watching with a very skewed perspective.

 

[Bobcat]

How often do you actually see fullbacks beating a man unless they overlap? Very, very seldom do you see a fullback go past a player like a winger does. The reason is simple, they have to consider counter attacks. Even a fast fecker like Valencia can't close a 10 yard gap easily, nor can Walker. That's why they restrain themselves. That being said, I actually think Valencia goes past more players than most fullbacks do. He needs to deliver more assists, and get on more overlaps. Yesterday, he had a couple of good overlaps and breezed past their fullback. He even did the old kick and run routine, which works well for him.

It’s also not just about that tho, it’s having the ability to create a yard and get off a cross which is something Valencia Just doesn’t seem to be able to do. Modern fullbacks are huge attacking threats and are able to create things. Valencia doesn’t do these things consistently enough.
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This. While Valencia has pace in abundance, hes usually incredibly predictable in his movement. I don't expect any fullback to dribble like Messi, but they need the ability to create that yard of space so they can put in dangerous crosses.

Young for example has nowhere near the athletic ability of Valencia, but you see him put in some absolutely gorgeous crosses at times (like on Saturday)

 

[Rossa]

His stats last season are easily rubbished by anyone watching him tho as they only paint half the picture. It would be intresting to know the positioning of where those crosses were from because visually watching them they were not even from in line with the 18 yarder and were more like diagonal long balls. I’d say the danger created from crosses as more valuable than amount. That’s just my opinion but his crossing position last season was an area of absolutely no threat, so for me I’m not surprised by that stat but they don’t exclude how innaficentbhe is at causing issues in that final 3rd.

You say continue last seasons form but last seasons form wasn’t good enough and RB is an issue for this club and how innafective it has been at times of breaking people down. I think Valencia is a solid performer (a jobber for lack of a better term) you know what you’ll get week in and week out but it’s just not at the level of the best RB’s.

You are more and more looking to have an agenda. Arguably Valencia's biggest shortcoming in terms of crossing is that he always tries to get to the byline before crossing, thus messing up the runs of attackers. Rafael was very good at crossing earlier at pace. You are simply completely wrong here. Last season he hit more crosses than any other player in the PL, and quite surprisingly he was more successful than any other player with his crosses as well.

We can all use our eyes, but some are driven by agenda. Last season, his problem was not getting into crossing positions or being able to hit those crosses. We had issues with too few attackers in the box and him being a bit wayward with his delivery.

Last season he was regarded as the second best fullback in the league.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

You are more and more looking to have an agenda. Arguably Valencia's biggest shortcoming in terms of crossing is that he always tries to get to the byline before crossing, thus messing up the runs of attackers. Rafael was very good at crossing earlier at pace. You are simply completely wrong here. Last season he hit more crosses than any other player in the PL, and quite surprisingly he was more successful than any other player with his crosses as well.

We can all use our eyes, but some are driven by agenda. Last season, his problem was not getting into crossing positions or being able to hit those crosses. We had issues with too few attackers in the box and him being a bit wayward with his delivery.

Last season he was regarded as the second best fullback in the league.

Ugh, here we go “agenda” “agenda” “agenda” it’s gets really boring and has now just become an easy way out for anyone to spout this “safety word” so they don’t have to deal with people with differing opinions than there own.

I can easily turn round and say you clearly have your own agenda.

Anyway you’re entitled to your opinion, and clearly debating the point will get us no where.
Simply put he’s not at the standard we need and a better RB and I’d imagine the team would transform for the better.

 

[Sigma]

Ugh, here we go “agenda” “agenda” “agenda” it’s gets really boring and has now just become an easy way out for anyone to spout this “safety word” so they don’t have to deal with people with differing opinions than there own.

I can easily turn round and say you clearly have your own agenda.

Anyway you’re entitled to your opinion, and clearly debating the point will get us no where.
Simply put he’s not at the standard we need and a better RB and I’d imagine the team would transform for the better.

I would ask you, why is it that the right backs people think we should buy to replace him, turn out to be worse than him?

Rafael was replaced by Valencia. Darmian was bought in to replace Valencia, that hasn't happened. People wanted Aurier, who has looked pretty poor and rash for Spurs (although admittedly, he still has a long time to go). Bellerin has really gone of the boil too.

I think Valencia is one of those players where you don't know how good he is, until he's not there.

 

[devips]

I would ask you, why is it that the right backs people think we should buy to replace him, turn out to be worse than him?

Rafael was replaced by Valencia. Darmian was bought in to replace Valencia, that hasn't happened. People wanted Aurier, who has looked pretty poor and rash for Spurs (although admittedly, he still has a long time to go). Bellerin has really gone of the boil too.

I think Valencia is one of those players where you don't know how good he is, until he's not there.

Spot on.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

I would ask you, why is it that the right backs people think we should buy to replace him, turn out to be worse than him?

Rafael was replaced by Valencia. Darmian was bought in to replace Valencia, that hasn't happened. People wanted Aurier, who has looked pretty poor and rash for Spurs (although admittedly, he still has a long time to go). Bellerin has really gone of the boil too.

I think Valencia is one of those players where you don't know how good he is, until he's not there.

It’s not this tho. We know he’ll put in a solid display. This isn’t in question. The one thing he has over all of them is consistency. He’s consistent in mediocrity. Take the likes of Bellerin, Walker so on on their best day and have Valencia on his best day and it doesn’t compare. The others play large parts in their teams make up, I’d argue as well that Darmian and Rafa are better fullbacks but lack consistency and well Rafa was not staying fit.

Most fans look at individual merit, others look at the broader impact on the team, this is a case of people not looking at the broader picture and seeing that it’s a position that can be improved upon.

 

[glazed]

This. While Valencia has pace in abundance, hes usually incredibly predictable in his movement.

Yes this. He deserves his place in the team but he could be a bit more imaginative.

 

[Rossa]

Ugh, here we go “agenda” “agenda” “agenda” it’s gets really boring and has now just become an easy way out for anyone to spout this “safety word” so they don’t have to deal with people with differing opinions than there own.

I can easily turn round and say you clearly have your own agenda.

Anyway you’re entitled to your opinion, and clearly debating the point will get us no where.
Simply put he’s not at the standard we need and a better RB and I’d imagine the team would transform for the better.

Agenda because when people actually say that he does produce a lot of crosses, more than any other fullback, you retort to cluthing at straws with arguments such as them not being from the right positions etc. Perhaps you should just acknowledge that you are wrong when it comes to how often he is able to cross the ball, and how often he beats a man compared to other fullbacks. He has other issues that we may well discuss, such as his lack of assists or his one-dimensional play. However, when you are so obsessed that we need another fullback to provide crosses and dribbles, I wonder what you actually watch. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...tonio-valencia-cedric-soares-wayne-routledge/

I think LB has been a much, much bigger issue for some time now.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...now-the-best-right-back-in-the-premier-league

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Agenda because when people actually say that he does produce a lot of crosses, more than any other fullback, you retort to cluthing at straws with arguments such as them not being from the right positions etc. Perhaps you should just acknowledge that you are wrong when it comes to how often he is able to cross the ball, and how often he beats a man compared to other fullbacks. He has other issues that we may well discuss, such as his lack of assists or his one-dimensional play. However, when you are so obsessed that we need another fullback to provide crosses and dribbles, I wonder what you actually watch. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...tonio-valencia-cedric-soares-wayne-routledge/

I think LB has been a much, much bigger issue for some time now.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...now-the-best-right-back-in-the-premier-league

Quality has to count for something. I could easily sit say 28yards away from goal and whip in cross after cross under no threat and rack up a completed cross stat especially with monsters like Felli and Zlat in the box.
Another thing I never actually brought up dribbling. I just responded to a post that insinuated fullbacks don’t dribble that often they just beat people on an overlap which is a very simple and basic way of looking at it.
Crosses and dribbling aren’t the be all and end all either.

Like I responded to another poster, some people look at it with a very narrow lense. Other look at the broader picture of what players do that influence others around them and how that helps the team.

A player can make a run and have a massive impact on play. Pick a pass, offer themselves for a pass, create space for others to use. All these factors add up to make a great player or in this case a RB. The truth is Valencia has never had a lot of those qualities and is very slow to react when he should do them.

Take for example you saying he attacks the byline, i’ll Concede often you will see him shift then thunder it off of someone. Usually being because he missed his opportunity to provide the danger/impact and then whilst doing the Valencia dance as a last resort shifts and whacks. Predictable. He’s a strong, fast guy who is given many opportunities to exploit situations where it’s him 1 on 1 or just a race to get in and he rarely takes advantage of these opportunities.

Kagawa as another example must have hated playing with Valencia as time and time again he offered himself, made runs found space and was ignored or the pass came way too late. You could see Kagawa getting visually frustrated with him.

Just last season Martial is moving across the box and you can see his intention is to slip a pass in to Valencia, he goes to make it twice and not once did Valencia move. It was an easy ball and easy for anyone to spot and he just didn’t move. He should be looking at that situation and thinking this here is where I can cause the most damage. There are numerous occasions where he just watches. Defending as well.

So just to clear it up, I’m not obsessed at all about Crosses and dribbles like you’re saying. I’ve never mentioned it as being the be all and end all, you’re projecting an opinion I’m afraid which probably stems from your own insecurities on the topic. What most want is a more intelligent, efficient RB who can help the team and how it performs.

 

[Rossa]

Quality has to count for something. I could easily sit say 28yards away from goal and whip in cross after cross under no threat and rack up a completed cross stat especially with monsters like Felli and Zlat in the box.
Another thing I never actually brought up dribbling. I just responded to a post that insinuated fullbacks don’t dribble that often they just beat people on an overlap which is a very simple and basic way of looking at it.
Crosses and dribbling aren’t the be all and end all either.

Like I responded to another poster, some people look at it with a very narrow lense. Other look at the broader picture of what players do that influence others around them and how that helps the team.

A player can make a run and have a massive impact on play. Pick a pass, offer themselves for a pass, create space for others to use. All these factors add up to make a great player or in this case a RB. The truth is Valencia has never had a lot of those qualities and is very slow to react when he should do them.

Take for example you saying he attacks the byline, i’ll Concede often you will see him shift then thunder it off of someone. Usually being because he missed his opportunity to provide the danger/impact and then whilst doing the Valencia dance as a last resort shifts and whacks. Predictable. He’s a strong, fast guy who is given many opportunities to exploit situations where it’s him 1 on 1 or just a race to get in and he rarely takes advantage of these opportunities.

Kagawa as another example must have hated playing with Valencia as time and time again he offered himself, made runs found space and was ignored or the pass came way too late. You could see Kagawa getting visually frustrated with him.

Just last season Martial is moving across the box and you can see his intention is to slip a pass in to Valencia, he goes to make it twice and not once did Valencia move. It was an easy ball and easy for anyone to spot and he just didn’t move. He should be looking at that situation and thinking this here is where I can cause the most damage. There are numerous occasions where he just watches. Defending as well.

So just to clear it up, I’m not obsessed at all about Crosses and dribbles like you’re saying. I’ve never mentioned it as being the be all and end all, you’re projecting an opinion I’m afraid which probably stems from your own insecurities on the topic. What most want is a more intelligent, efficient RB who can help the team and how it performs.

You do like those long texts...

You said he doesn't get into crossing positions enough - I showed you evidence that he crossed the ball the most in the PL last season. Then you say you think that he just crosses the ball from the half way line, but most people on here are annoyed with him always having to get to the byline to cross instead of taking an early cross, which I agree with. Nani and Rafael (and definitely Beckham) were great at those. So that's two instances where you are clearly in the wrong.

I suppose you look at the broader picture? Have you noticed how great he is at retaining the ball and bringing the ball out of defense? I wonder how many of our attacks started with him where he is 3-4 last on the ball. I think that would be quite a few times.

This season, I agree that Valencia has been far too reserved in attack, but last season he contributed a lot, even if the stats where not quite there - bigger picture than just assists and goals?

Sure, Valencia isn't always the best at picking out passes. It's one of his negatives. I have no issues with that. He is great at finding players though in tight areas, and he is a great short passer, and his first touch is one of the best in the squad. He is also an option on that right side, so his movement has to be quite intelligent.

Also, bringing up my own insecurities? Come on - let's at least try and keep it friendly.

 

[prtk0811]

We need to Seprate valencia with his wife and make shaw live with him for a month and let valencia take him under his wing so that shaw shows the same level of intensity as him as a full back and wingback.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Also, bringing up my own insecurities? Come on - let's at least try and keep it friendly

Then maybe don’t start going on about agenda posting, when someone is trying to have a convo with you if they have an opposing point of view maybe and don’t put words in their mouths that they never said.

You do like those long texts...

You said he doesn't get into crossing positions enough - I showed you evidence that he crossed the ball the most in the PL last season. Then you say you think that he just crosses the ball from the half way line, but most people on here are annoyed with him always having to get to the byline to cross instead of taking an early cross, which I agree with. Nani and Rafael (and definitely Beckham) were great at those. So that's two instances where you are clearly in the wrong.

Can’t say I’ve seen many complaining about him trying to get to the byline. Seen people annoyed at him always smashing it off of a defender after taking forever to make a decision. The major issue is how long he takes to do anything. Certainly needs to be more decisive.
Right 2nd point he doesn’t hit early crosses, again his crossing stats were because of lazy crossing, the danger area is beyond the 18 yarder or early from further back. He’d stop, dither and eventually just throw in a cross from that area. It’s not the same as an early cross. It helps boost his stats as really it’s a diagonal long ball floated up which is of absolutely no threat. So he still isn’t getting in to the positions he should and executing the cross. He hasn’t for about 3 years.

I suppose you look at the broader picture? Have you noticed how great he is at retaining the ball and bringing the ball out of defense? I wonder how many of our attacks started with him where he is 3-4 last on the ball. I think that would be quite a few times.

This season, I agree that Valencia has been far too reserved in attack, but last season he contributed a lot, even if the stats where not quite there - bigger picture than just assists and goals?

Sure, Valencia isn't always the best at picking out passes. It's one of his negatives. I have no issues with that. He is great at finding players though in tight areas, and he is a great short passer, and his first touch is one of the best in the squad. He is also an option on that right side, so his movement has to be quite intelligent.

Running in a straight line is not really intelligent movement. Seeing the space and using it, exploiting it, creating it for others is.
Retaining the ball? You mean passing it back when he realised he missed his opportunity? I have no problem with that, I’d rather he didn’t waste possession but the problem is it is a repetitive pattern and back to the original point why not get a player who can do all that and more? Valencia should be a squad player.

 

[tomaldinho1]

We need to Seprate valencia with his wife and make shaw live with him for a month and let valencia take him under his wing so that shaw shows the same level of intensity as him as a full back and wingback.

I don't know what you're alluding to but it sounds pretty dodgy.

 

[Mr.Ridiculous__]

If only we could get back the Rafael of the 2012-2013 season. Greatest season by a United RB, in my time supporting United (since 2005, I'm 23). As complete as it could get.
Speaking of Valencia, I really like him as a player. But this has to be his last season as a starter, surely. Our entire right flank is useless offensively and Valencia forms a huge part of the reason for that.

 

[LeftyBlaster]

Running in a straight line is not really intelligent movement. Seeing the space and using it, exploiting it, creating it for others is.
Retaining the ball? You mean passing it back when he realised he missed his opportunity? I have no problem with that, I’d rather he didn’t waste possession but the problem is it is a repetitive pattern and back to the original point why not get a player who can do all that and more? Valencia should be a squad player.

This x 999999999999

Our right flank is so impotent not only because we don't have a true winger but because our fullback is offensively, well, shit.

 

[Ashley R1+O]

Running in a straight line is not really intelligent movement. Seeing the space and using it, exploiting it, creating it for others is.

Rhythm and cadence is a massive part of an attacking outfit. I don't think Valencia carries this kind of nuance to his game, he might be solid defensively and subsequently join up in an attack but there is no tempo to it at all, it just appears and you roll the dice and whatever happens, happens. You rarely see him attack with an option that is measured and he has picked out, I think a good example is Rashford who has a quick hesitation move and/or a dummy or a stutter to elude his man before playing it in. Lukaku has played a few really well measured and timely passes into the box this season.

I also agree with you that I don't really understand why a couple of people have to take it really personally when somebody wants to have a discussion and attempt to derail it by arguing relentlessly attacking users about agenda's and such. I guess the best advice is just to ignore and move on, people can disagree there is no harm in that.

 

[Darkhorsez]

I also agree with you that I don't really understand why a couple of people have to take it really personally when somebody wants to have a discussion and attempt to derail it by arguing relentlessly attacking users about agenda's and such. I guess the best advice is just to ignore and move on, people can disagree there is no harm in that.

That’s a fair point. People often have different perspectives on players, managers, tactics etc. There is also some natural favouritism that people have and that’s also fair. Where you see discussions and threads “derail” and become personal is when someone attempts to make a belief or idea some kind of a holy grail that we must all adopt and accept. We can all have different views but not constantly make the same comments over and over again.

With Val, i like him so I might be a little biased! Love his passion and drive for the club - though he has also benefited from being with us too! All the managers we’ve had including SAF, really liked playing him. He has adopted to a different position well. Through the years, i’ve also got frustrated many times - I see your tempo comment too. But quite honestly I don’t get why we have the tendency just to focus on the negative. Also, we forget that he perhaps receives certain instructions too and what about the other players involved on the team? Can we do better? Of course we can. No one - well actually there a few on the team - is irreplaceable. The challenge is finding a replacement who has all the attributes we are looking for. I agree that we need to look to the future but the supposed succession plans we invested on haven’t exactly worked out yet and hope we do better in future.

 

[Garethw]

This really needs to be the last season of him as!first choice right back.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

With Val, i like him so I might be a little biased! Love his passion and drive for the club - though he has also benefited from being with us too! All the managers we’ve had including SAF, really liked playing him. He has adopted to a different position well. Through the years, i’ve also got frustrated many times - I see your tempo comment too. But quite honestly I don’t get why we have the tendency just to focus on the negative. Also, we forget that he perhaps receives certain instructions too and what about the other players involved on the team? Can we do better? Of course we can. No one - well actually there a few on the team - is irreplaceable. The challenge is finding a replacement who has all the attributes we are looking for. I agree that we need to look to the future but the supposed succession plans we invested on haven’t exactly worked out yet and hope we do better in future.

What passion and drive? He’s often been the captain this season, yet doesn’t do interviews and doesn’t talk to anyone on the pitch?

The most frustrating thing about Valencia, is that being a former winger (albeit pretty useless), he should at least have some attacking qualities, but he’s just so poor and has not attempted to develop his game.

Because he doesn’t make any glaring errors, we have come to accept him as a RB, but he adds nothing to our team. Someone like Walker would transform our side, full backs are so important from an attacking perspective and him and Darmian are two of the worst in the league.

 

[Charles Miller]

Andreas Pereira should be trained to become RB.
If he was formed in some academy in Brazil he probably would be a full back because he's comfortable with the ball and has great crosses but doesn't have all the characteristics of a winger or midfielder.
Those players that are hybrids midfielder/winger should play 4-4-2 or be full backs.

 

[Yorkeontop]

He's just so brutally inefficient these days. He's always been limited but he used to be so much better in the efficiency stakes.

 

[Minimalist]

If he's carrying an injury (not that I think he would be 'world class' anyway) then it's even more damning on management that he's our only legit right back.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Been awful today. Could add a RB to the ever growing list of positions we need to reinforce in Summer.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I've a lot of respect for how much he has come on defensively but my god, the guy used to be a winger and his crossing has been awful for the best part of five years now. It's a joke.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

I've a lot of respect for how much he has come on defensively but my god, the guy used to be a winger and his crossing has been awful for the best part of five years now. It's a joke.

Don't know the stats but we must be one of the worst teams in the league for crossing success rates. No one apart from Young on occasion can cross. Corners are pretty much a waste of time.

 

[Sigma]

Don't know the stats but we must be one of the worst teams in the league for crossing success rates. No one apart from Young on occasion can cross. Corners are pretty much a waste of time.

Last season:

 

[Massive Spanner]

Don't know the stats but we must be one of the worst teams in the league for crossing success rates. No one apart from Young on occasion can cross. Corners are pretty much a waste of time.

Pretty sure we've the most goals from corners in the league, certainly we do from set pieces.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Last season:

Well, I stand corrected.

 

[el3mel]

The rumors about his knee seems right.

He clearly doesn't dribble against players anymore. Last season he was always trying to get past players then make a ground pass and that what made him a beast, this season he's playing so conservatively and always tends to pass the ball rather than doing anything offensively with it.

Love him but I said in Blind thread, I need my fullback to dribble past players and cross, the moment you stop doing this you're no more suitable for the modern game.

 

[R'hllor]

Runs, get in a position to make something in final third and then just says " Jesus take a wheel" and smashes it randomly, also his positioning for some offside traps are really weird.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

I can't remember the last time he's put in a decent cross.

 

[Minimalist]

Him being a good squad player or an 'option' was never the problem. How he's managed to become the first choice right back at United beggars belief.

 

[the unknown one.]

I can't remember the last time he's put in a decent cross.

Today to Lukaku.

What a memory you have.

 

[Devil may care]

I hoped the Newcastle game was a return to form in attack for Tony but he was woeful today.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Today to Lukaku.

What a memory you have.

My memory is fine, you and I have varying interpretations of decent.

 

[Sigma]

My memory is fine, you and I have varying interpretations of decent.

How was that not a good cross? He laid it right on Lukaku's head inside the 6 yard box. Also laid it on a plate for Lukaku last week inside the first few minuts.

 

[the unknown one.]

My memory is fine, you and I have varying interpretations of decent.

He put it right on his head after an excellent touch around the Brighton player and Lukaku should have scored.

But please continue your nonsense.

 

[Ashley R1+O]

Runs, get in a position to make something in final third and then just says " Jesus take a wheel" and smashes it randomly, also his positioning for some offside traps are really weird.

*shrug* - He's not a fullback. That is about all I can come up with, his positioning and ball watching at times can be random and weird. Very solid one vs one and marked up on ball though - final third very very ordinary again but I have become accustom to his woe in the final third.

My memory is fine, you and I have varying interpretations of decent.

I also thought that ball was overhit if we're talking about Lukaku getting on the end of it, he should have left it for Matic coming in, it was more of an "in the mixer" cross. Anything played to Lukaku should be in front of him so he can run onto it and head it, if he's running backwards and having to crane upwards just to make contact then you probably won't get a decent connection on goal from him. But he should be getting a shout and Matic should be thundering that at goal with his head.