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2017-18 Performances

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5.8 Season Average Rating
Appearances
39
Clean sheets
18
Goals
3
Assists
1
Yellow cards
9
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Gets the ball on the flank, stands on it for few seconds then pass it back, gets it back, rinse, repeat.

He was great last season but hid decline is obvious now. Another position we need a player in during next summer.
 
Ace of Spades said:
The question is, is it the fault of the player or the manager. The first one can be solved with new recruitment, the second can't.
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I agree, we can't know for sure but it's a question that needs asking, in the modern game the attacking width from the fullbacks is crucial.
 
Devil may care said:
I agree, we can't know for sure but it's a question that needs asking, in the modern game the attacking width from the fullbacks is crucial.
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In the modern game, pretty much all players need to contribute positively, that incdes CBs and FBs and even the GK. If it is the manager, then he needs to change it quick. Momentum is very important here, if we lose that then our form can dip pretty quick I feel.
 
Bojan11 said:
Yeah and then slowed down eternally to let their whole team back. Yes that one.
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I too was frustrated with Valencia today, but that run made me realize how awful we are at making runs in front of the defenders. Both attackers in front of Valencia ran in a straight line sticking to their defender; subsequently, neither of them opened up space for Valencia to run into, rather the opposite where they brought the defenders into Valencia's path, and neither busted their lungs to get ahead of their attackers to be played through. It was terrible attacking. Valencia wasn't good there either, but the options to play were terrible. He could have gone for it himself, but then he would have ran into one of our other players.

He should have tried more in the second half, but Huddersfield sat so low that there was no space to run into. We sorely lack players who can go past defenders with little space. Martial when he is in form, but all our other players need space to run into.
 
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Wish we signed Aurier.

Atleast he'd bother taking his man on or put a cross in.

That 3 on 2 counter summed up Valencia.
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So he could add an extra feck up and we would be 3-0 down?
 
Bojan11 said:
Wish we signed Aurier.

Atleast he'd bother taking his man on or put a cross in.

That 3 on 2 counter summed up Valencia.
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From what the Barca supporters say it is Semedo we should be remorseful for not signing, he has been very good for them they say. Went for a decent price as well.
 
haram said:
He also got sent off against West Ham for more stupidity.
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He's also been the best right back in the league this season.

We have no alternative to Valencia. He was probably exhausted playing two games in three days at his age.
 
Bojan11 said:
He's also been the best right back in the league this season.

We have no alternative to Valencia. He was probably exhausted playing two games in three days at his age.
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Hasn't he played in 2 games and got sent off in one?

Best right back in the league :lol:
 
haram said:
Also gave away the most stupid penalty against Real.
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He's young he's hardly the finished article. His discipline needs to improve but the talent is there.

What do you want us to do? Sign another 30 year old to replace Valencia.
 
Feck me, best right back in the league after a few games.
 
Rossa said:
I too was frustrated with Valencia today, but that run made me realize how awful we are at making runs in front of the defenders. Both attackers in front of Valencia ran in a straight line sticking to their defender; subsequently, neither of them opened up space for Valencia to run into, rather the opposite where they brought the defenders into Valencia's path, and neither busted their lungs to get ahead of their attackers to be played through. It was terrible attacking. Valencia wasn't good there either, but the options to play were terrible. He could have gone for it himself, but then he would have ran into one of our other players.
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I like to think of it like this. If you were one of Valencia's team-mates what would you be expecting out of him? What would you be looking for when making runs and getting free of your man?

The guy is an absolute jumblybollox mess going forward. You can't look at Valencia and go "I am going to make this run because this is his move and he'll play this ball" you just absolutely don't ever expect to know what the hell he is going to do because I doubt even he knows until he does it and we all go "there it is lads, deal with what that was". His delivery is constantly a mess, the going forward part is constantly an inconsistent mess and the contributing tempo to the attack is always mess.

I love him as a defender and he is always one vs one pretty solid and tight to his man (his positioning in general can be a bit all over the place at times). But he's not a fullback and I'd genuinely prefer us to buy a proper fullback and for him to go back to being a forward to play the winger position and play a direct wingers role with no defensive strings attached and just bomb up and spanner the ball into Lukaku all day because that would be a better use of his ability.

We absolutely need to sign a proper fullback there who can push him out of the team next year and challenge him for that spot.
 
Ashley R1+O said:
The guy is an absolute jumblybollox mess going forward. You can't look at Valencia and go "I am going to make this run because this is his move and he'll play this ball" you just absolutely don't ever expect to know what the hell he is going to do because I doubt even he knows until he does it and we all go "there it is lads, deal with what that was".
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:lol::lol::lol:

That is pure poetry, had me laughing for a good while. Its absolutely spot on.
 
Ashley R1+O said:
I like to think of it like this. If you were one of Valencia's team-mates what would you be expecting out of him? What would you be looking for when making runs and getting free of your man?

The guy is an absolute jumblybollox mess going forward. You can't look at Valencia and go "I am going to make this run because this is his move and he'll play this ball" you just absolutely don't ever expect to know what the hell he is going to do because I doubt even he knows until he does it and we all go "there it is lads, deal with what that was". His delivery is constantly a mess, the going forward part is constantly an inconsistent mess and the contributing tempo to the attack is always mess.

I love him as a defender and he is always one vs one pretty solid and tight to his man (his positioning in general can be a bit all over the place at times). But he's not a fullback and I'd genuinely prefer us to buy a proper fullback and for him to go back to being a forward to play the winger position and play a direct wingers role with no defensive strings attached and just bomb up and spanner the ball into Lukaku all day because that would be a better use of his ability.

We absolutely need to sign a proper fullback there who can push him out of the team next year and challenge him for that spot.
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What a bizarre post. When Valencia is running with the ball towards goal, then his attackers should make good runs. I can certainly understand why you are not his teammate.

It's hardly as if this is just a problem when Valencia is making runs. Our runs are predictable and one dimensional. We are making far too few runs in ahead of the defenders. We are simply too static.
 
He was in beast mode today.
 
Excellent today. He never dives - poor decision from the ref
 
A solid display, he's a reliable performer but I'd love to know if he's playing within himself due to his knee or Jose's instructions.
 
He was fantastic today. It was the first time I've thought making him captain was a good decision. He showed real leadership.

The ref should be ashamed of that yellow card too, especially when he sees that Ali dive after the game.
 
I made him my MOTM. Him and Young provided real tenacity and aggression that was vital in our play today.
 
His play in final third is pure dice game, he just do a thing and hope that random God is on his side.
 
K2K said:
And Delle Ali gets a free kick.
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Yeah, really could have been in trouble had Val got another yellow at the end.
It's important for the manager to call out the ref and tell him this. Instead Jose said the ref was good and gave only one yellow card.
 
I was bored so:

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He gets into position a lot, and as such occupies the opponent, but his actual contribution in attack is sub-par.

Perhaps he should try to go centrally more and do short passes, because his crosses really are aimless.
 
SwansonsTache said:
He gets into position a lot, and as such occupies the opponent, but his actual contribution in attack is sub-par.

Perhaps he should try to go centrally more and do short passes, because his crosses really are aimless.
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To be honest, I am surprised that his 'attack score' is better than Walker's. I would say Walker is the all round better attacker.
 
Sigma said:
To be honest, I am surprised that his 'attack score' is better than Walker's. I would say Walker is the all round better attacker.
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Just shows that stats can be misleading, anyone actually watching the games will know that Walker contributes far more in attack.
 
Sigma said:
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Valencia twice Walker's attack score. :lol:

Let's face it, and we don't need stats to tell us this, Valencia has developed in to an incredibly solid RB with pace, power and a good engine and he doesn't make mistakes, but he's not giving Utd anything from an attacking standpoint.

Incredibly basic on the ball and reserved consistently passing sideways, doesn't drive in to space and can't cross.

FB's are so important now from an attacking standpoint and Valencia doesn't cut the mustard in that regard at all. He's miles behind Walker in the race for the best RB in the PL for that reason.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Valencia twice Walker's attack score. :lol:

Let's face it, and we don't need stats to tell us this, Valencia has developed in to an incredibly solid RB with pace, power and a good engine and he doesn't make mistakes, but he's not giving Utd anything from an attacking standpoint.

Incredibly basic on the ball and reserved consistently passing sideways, doesn't drive in to space and can't cross.

FB's are so important now from an attacking standpoint and Valencia doesn't cut the mustard in that regard at all. He's miles behind Walker in the race for the best RB in the PL for that reason.
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I think pretty much everyone can agree with your assessment. However, to give him a little credit, the way we play football and the personnel in front of him doesn't give the best platform to perform. I.e I don't think he would do much worse or might even perhaps offer something different/better (Walker is a bit suspect defensively more so than Valencia imo but it's fine margins) in City's first team.
 
Think we should have upgraded or at least got a backup for him years ago. Seems United fans have gotten desensitized to him receiving the ball numerous times per game in acres of space where 9 out 10 times he does one of 3 things: shit cross, shin cross or pass backwards/sideways. Only thing I give him is consistency. He's 1 of the most consistent players ever. He never has what you can call a 'bad' game like the likes of Mkhi or Smalling occasionally do, it's same thing every game, solid at the back, shit up front. You always know what you're getting with him at least
 
I’ve kinda been hoping we'd Get a replacement for him for about 4/5 years now. He is consistent in his averageness. It’s hard to say he is rubbish as he isn’t, he’s just solid with no frills. He doesn’t really influence games like a modern fullback would. I’d like to say that is based on how we play but even when he was given licence to really go at the byline it was mostly the same stuff Just 10yards further forward
 
DannyCAFC said:
Valencia twice Walker's attack score. :lol:

Let's face it, and we don't need stats to tell us this, Valencia has developed in to an incredibly solid RB with pace, power and a good engine and he doesn't make mistakes, but he's not giving Utd anything from an attacking standpoint.

Incredibly basic on the ball and reserved consistently passing sideways, doesn't drive in to space and can't cross.

FB's are so important now from an attacking standpoint and Valencia doesn't cut the mustard in that regard at all. He's miles behind Walker in the race for the best RB in the PL for that reason.
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This season I agree, last season Valencia was better all round.
 
One moment against Huddersfield sums him up for me, it was around 80' and we were chasing an equalizer, Valencia receives the ball down the flank, dwells on it, cuts back and then proceed to launch a cross into the head of the nearest defender.

Simply not good enough as an attacking outlet, it has come to the point where I expect nothing when he overlaps or charges down the right flank. Still solid enough defensively though.
 
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