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2017-18 Performances


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5.8 Season Average Rating
Appearances
39
Clean sheets
18
Goals
3
Assists
1
Yellow cards
9
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Chances created per 90 mins in the PL according to Squawka:

Valencia (this season) 0.36
Valencia (last season) 1.16
Valencia (LVG's 2nd season) 0.73
Young (this season) 0.88
Blind (this season) 0.98

Not so much of a problem if we score the first goal but when we conceded against Huddersfield and Chelsea, Valencia's unwillingness to attack was alarmingly evident.
 
He is the definition of our attacking play limitations. Valencia was very good in SAF team which resulted in a strategy of using him as an outlet. During this time he could beat two three people at a go and put in a good cross. Then it came to the point where he couldn't cross but only hit the first defender. Ok, fine he still could beat his marker. Then it got worse when SAF left, now he couldn't beat his marker nor cross, he just plays it square or to the CF who has to come short.

During LVG tenure he learn to only pass square or backwards but mostly back passes as LVG deemed forward passes to risky.

But during all this time and even now, he still remains our outlet and nothing has changed concerning this strategy. Now the problem is that no matter how promising the attack seems, once it gets to Valencia, his first instinct is to pass it back even when face with the shitest defender in the league.

So yes, we can more players all we want, but until we clear a player like Valencia from the starting 11, we are like never going to realise the full potential of our attacking play.
 
He’s solid defensively but I can’t be the only one that wanted an upgrade in the summer.

Aurier and Mendy were both available and instead we’re STILL relying on Valencia and Young, after all these years.

If we want to win trophies, we can’t afford to have people “doing a job”, we need the best in those positions.

Valencia looked good last season but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have bought a replacement. For example, Rio Ferdinand was in the Team of the Season back in 12/13 but by the time 13/14 hit, it was obvious it was time to upgrade him.
 
He’s solid defensively but I can’t be the only one that wanted an upgrade in the summer.

Aurier and Mendy were both available and instead we’re STILL relying on Valencia and Young, after all these years.

If we want to win trophies, we can’t afford to have people “doing a job”, we need the best in those positions.

Valencia looked good last season but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have bought a replacement. For example, Rio Ferdinand was in the Team of the Season back in 12/13 but by the time 13/14 hit, it was obvious it was time to upgrade him.
Aurier is shite though.
 
Feel bad for him. He's literally isolated every time he attacks on the right. Whoever plays there tends to always comes towards the center of the pitch. There's no real overlapping from him as the man he should be going around is nowhere to be seen on that side of the pitch. Obviously, in a 3-5-2, he's expected to do a little more work but it we've not used the formation enough to judge him.
 
Feel bad for him. He's literally isolated every time he attacks on the right. Whoever plays there tends to always comes towards the center of the pitch. There's no real overlapping from him as the man he should be going around is nowhere to be seen on that side of the pitch. Obviously, in a 3-5-2, he's expected to do a little more work but it we've not used the formation enough to judge him.
Totally agree, he's asked to both do a defensive shift, then also sprint up the line and be the only wide-attacking outlet on the right. It's ridiculous, especially for his age.

He's basically asked to do all of the work of 2 players, so it's hardly surprising the poor guy is too exhausted to have much quality when he does get his one or two chances to cross a match.

Not saying he's amazing or anything, just that virtually no player in the world would succeed at what he's being asked to do.
 
Feel bad for him. He's literally isolated every time he attacks on the right. Whoever plays there tends to always comes towards the center of the pitch. There's no real overlapping from him as the man he should be going around is nowhere to be seen on that side of the pitch. Obviously, in a 3-5-2, he's expected to do a little more work but it we've not used the formation enough to judge him.

Agreed. Valencia is getting a bit of a hard time on here just now, generally isolated from any teammates in attack.

He will never be the most direct or adventurous full back. There will always be some risk-averse passing and positioning, always offering support during periods of possession but never fully utilising the opportunities available to him offensively.

However, he has shown enough to be considered good enough for this side at the moment and several other areas of the team require improvement before Valencia’s position is called into question(namely left back, no. 10 and right wing).

We do have a massive problem down the right hand side in that no-one seems to want to play in that attacking right sided spot. The extent to which Mata(especially) and Lingard drift around and vacate any sort of balanced position is ridiculous, to the point where I would be tempted to say it’s instruction. It can’t be though, it is too unstructured - they are all over the place and are significantly blunting our effectiveness going forward.

Valencia often receives the ball with the only passing options being square to a central midfielder or back to a centre half. We need more, and better, options. Lukaku showing to feet or running into the channel (he can do both and does seem more comfortable playing inside right), a wide man on the touch line or in the space between the centre back, left back and centre mid (the main issue, our nominal player here being nowhere near where he should be, in no position to dovetail with the fullback to progress the play).

I struggle to think of fullbacks who could consistently produce under these circumstances. Other than Marcelo, I can’t name anyone capable of attacking, of effectively penetrating a defence, without linking with teammates. Typically not the kind of players who can create individually, the best fullbacks effectively run off the ball - one-twos, overlaps, underlaps, third-man runs.

With how unbalanced our side is at the moment, Valencia barely has a chance. There’s really no-one out there who can offer more right now and players like Aurier and Walker are not of a higher calibre. Tony is slightly reserved as top fullbacks go, but he has shown that when he has others to play off of he can be effective - looking to pass and move and purposefully get in behind teams. His main weak point for me, since becoming a right back, is that he almost always looks to receive the ball to feet before doing so. He appears unwilling to make a positive off the ball run when others have the ball, maintaining a deeper supporting position and only coming alive when he personally gains possession.

I think this exacerbates the problem that we’ve got - at the moment Valencia consistently receives the ball in areas in front of the opposition, and almost always has no good forward passing options, and so constantly looks to do two things - recycle possession and cross from poor areas. I’m not holding that against him, for me he has shown he has enough quality to play there and the player(s) in front of him are the ones who warrant scrutiny.
 
Agreed. Valencia is getting a bit of a hard time on here just now, generally isolated from any teammates in attack.

He will never be the most direct or adventurous full back. There will always be some risk-averse passing and positioning, always offering support during periods of possession but never fully utilising the opportunities available to him offensively.

However, he has shown enough to be considered good enough for this side at the moment and several other areas of the team require improvement before Valencia’s position is called into question(namely left back, no. 10 and right wing).

We do have a massive problem down the right hand side in that no-one seems to want to play in that attacking right sided spot. The extent to which Mata(especially) and Lingard drift around and vacate any sort of balanced position is ridiculous, to the point where I would be tempted to say it’s instruction. It can’t be though, it is too unstructured - they are all over the place and are significantly blunting our effectiveness going forward.

Valencia often receives the ball with the only passing options being square to a central midfielder or back to a centre half. We need more, and better, options. Lukaku showing to feet or running into the channel (he can do both and does seem more comfortable playing inside right), a wide man on the touch line or in the space between the centre back, left back and centre mid (the main issue, our nominal player here being nowhere near where he should be, in no position to dovetail with the fullback to progress the play).

I struggle to think of fullbacks who could consistently produce under these circumstances. Other than Marcelo, I can’t name anyone capable of attacking, of effectively penetrating a defence, without linking with teammates. Typically not the kind of players who can create individually, the best fullbacks effectively run off the ball - one-twos, overlaps, underlaps, third-man runs.

With how unbalanced our side is at the moment, Valencia barely has a chance. There’s really no-one out there who can offer more right now and players like Aurier and Walker are not of a higher calibre. Tony is slightly reserved as top fullbacks go, but he has shown that when he has others to play off of he can be effective - looking to pass and move and purposefully get in behind teams. His main weak point for me, since becoming a right back, is that he almost always looks to receive the ball to feet before doing so. He appears unwilling to make a positive off the ball run when others have the ball, maintaining a deeper supporting position and only coming alive when he personally gains possession.

I think this exacerbates the problem that we’ve got - at the moment Valencia consistently receives the ball in areas in front of the opposition, and almost always has no good forward passing options, and so constantly looks to do two things - recycle possession and cross from poor areas. I’m not holding that against him, for me he has shown he has enough quality to play there and the player(s) in front of him are the ones who warrant scrutiny.
That was a very nice analysis.
 
Feel bad for him. He's literally isolated every time he attacks on the right. Whoever plays there tends to always comes towards the center of the pitch. There's no real overlapping from him as the man he should be going around is nowhere to be seen on that side of the pitch. Obviously, in a 3-5-2, he's expected to do a little more work but it we've not used the formation enough to judge him.

He should still be crossing it better.
 
We need a starting right back asap but it's really slim pickings out there. We need to get Meunier asap.
 
Man Utd 4:1 Newcastle
Looked much quicker today and more lively towards the end of the match, like last year. Hopefully he will kick on properly from now
 
I thought he was poor going forward once again, he gets one on one with the defenders and he just seems to stop. He was so much better last season and as the captain I expect a bit more from him. I hope Jose looks at the RB position in the summer
 
I thought he was poor going forward once again, he gets one on one with the defenders and he just seems to stop. He was so much better last season and as the captain I expect a bit more from him. I hope Jose looks at the RB position in the summer

He was directly involved in 2 goals , and set up Lukaku when he missed a sitter. Got up the pitch well, kept the width in the side. Rashford, Martial, Mata at times were all on the left hand side so he had to man his side by himself.

Defensively very strong.
 
He was directly involved in 2 goals , and set up Lukaku when he missed a sitter.

First goal was all Pogba. Valencia did what I was talking about, he had one defender and he didn't run at him and laid it off to Pogba. He should be doing what Pogba did, he has that in him. He was a lot better last season, he would have ran past him and put the cross in like it's nothing.
 
He was better today and honestly was like a breath of fresh air to see him go beyond that invisible wall at the 18 yarder that he has been scared of for the last 2 seasons.
There were times when he should have put a ball in and dithered about like his usual self but baby steps. Hopefully today isn’t a false dawn and he plays like this more often.
 
First goal was all Pogba. Valencia did what I was talking about, he had one defender and he didn't run at him and laid it off to Pogba. He should be doing what Pogba did, he has that in him. He was a lot better last season, he would have ran past him and put the cross in like it's nothing.

These are the 3 instances I was talking about. In the first goal, he's the player who takes the defender away so Pogba has the space to pick out the cross. Does the same thing for our 4th goal. You are being far to harsh on someone whose first job is to defend - he's a right back.

Lukaku chance



1-1 MARTIAL!!



Lukaku 4-1

 
@Andersons Dietician Like I said, that goal is all down to Pogba's work and Lukaku did most of the work.

Look at what Young does going forward, why can't why expect as much from Valencia? It's easy to forget he's a winger who turned into a full-back, his attacking game should be his strong point.
 
@Andersons Dietician Like I said, that goal is all down to Pogba's work and Lukaku did most of the work.

Look at what Young does going forward, why can't why expect as much from Valencia? It's easy to forget he's a winger who turned into a full-back, his attacking game should be his strong point.
Yeah, he does very little in that Pogba dink to Martial. You could argue it’s a different phase of play as the defender he originally shifted then drops back in to line and doesn’t care less for Valencia before the dink goes in.

On Young, I think they both need to improve but what Young does have is that cross. Weird to think at one point Valencia was a feared winger and now it’s just depressing watching him go forward mostly.
 
Yeah, he does very little in that Pogba dink to Martial. You could argue it’s a different phase of play as the defender he originally shifted then drops back in to line and doesn’t care less for Valencia before the dink goes in.

On Young, I think they both need to improve but what Young does have is that cross. Weird to think at one point Valencia was a feared winger and now it’s just depressing watching him go forward mostly.

I agree, Young needs to improve his defending and Valencia needs to improve his attacking. I'm starting to think it's not just form and his starting to decline. We have asked a lot of him in the last few years, most of the games it was just Valencia on the wing and that does take a lot of someone physically, he rarely gets a break
 
I agree, Young needs to improve his defending and Valencia needs to improve his attacking. I'm starting to think it's not just form and his starting to decline. We have asked a lot of him in the last few years, most of the games it was just Valencia on the wing and that does take a lot of someone physically, he rarely gets a break
To be honest I’ve been critical of Valencia since Fergie was in charge and this seasons performances are exactly the same as last year to me and the year before and the year before that.
 
To be honest I’ve been critical of Valencia since Fergie was in charge and this seasons performances are exactly the same as last year to me and the year before and the year before that.

I can see where you're coming from. I thought he was good last season considering he almost played alone on the wing at times. You can see managers like him, he's a hard worker and never seems to moan. I think it's about time we upgrade the fullback areas like City did this season. Attacking fullbacks seem to be key to winning things these days
 
I can see where you're coming from. I thought he was good last season considering he almost played alone on the wing at times. You can see managers like him, he's a hard worker and never seems to moan. I think it's about time we upgrade the fullback areas like City did this season. Attacking fullbacks seem to be key to winning things these days
Yeah I just think you’ll get a consistent performance out of him. He exceeds in averageness week in and week out and you just know you’ll get a solid job from him.

I have faith that Shaw can do the job if given the chance and if he can stay fit, however it’s will Jose give him the chance and can he stay fit. RB certainly needs looking at but there aren’t many really good options available I can think of.
 
I thought he had his most adventurous game in a while today.
Absolutely. More importantly, like last season his energy levels seemed to spike towards the end of the match. We haven’t seen that this season. The one where he kicked the ball on one side of the defender and ran past him on the other side was a good show. In the first half he just ran past the fullback like it was nothing. He may have had some niggles earlier on.
 
I think Valencia hasn't lost his pace but a bit of his stop/start acceleration. He can't make a yard for himself from a standstill as he used to be able to.
Don’t think he was ever the best from a standstill. His top speed and acceleration at speed set him apart. Nani was quicker off the mark.
 
Absolutely. More importantly, like last season his energy levels seemed to spike towards the end of the match. We haven’t seen that this season. The one where he kicked the ball on one side of the defender and ran past him on the other side was a good show. In the first half he just ran past the fullback like it was nothing. He may have had some niggles earlier on.

I think there was definitely some truth in the stories of him having knee issues, Jose has rested him the most of all our key players and hopefully it's paying off, I see him rationing Valencia's games in the way Fergie did with Rio as he got older.
 
First goal was all Pogba. Valencia did what I was talking about, he had one defender and he didn't run at him and laid it off to Pogba. He should be doing what Pogba did, he has that in him. He was a lot better last season, he would have ran past him and put the cross in like it's nothing.

This, we all love Tony V for his attitude and loyalty, but the truth is, in the modern game you need fullbacks who can beat a man and deliver crosses like that
 
This, we all love Tony V for his attitude and loyalty, but the truth is, in the modern game you need fullbacks who can beat a man and deliver crosses like that

How often do you actually see fullbacks beating a man unless they overlap? Very, very seldom do you see a fullback go past a player like a winger does. The reason is simple, they have to consider counter attacks. Even a fast fecker like Valencia can't close a 10 yard gap easily, nor can Walker. That's why they restrain themselves. That being said, I actually think Valencia goes past more players than most fullbacks do. He needs to deliver more assists, and get on more overlaps. Yesterday, he had a couple of good overlaps and breezed past their fullback. He even did the old kick and run routine, which works well for him.
 
I think there was definitely some truth in the stories of him having knee issues, Jose has rested him the most of all our key players and hopefully it's paying off, I see him rationing Valencia's games in the way Fergie did with Rio as he got older.

Maybe. Rio had serious back problems that made him a lot slower. Valencia doesn't seem to have slowed down yet (I recall Distin being just as fast at 35 as he ever did), but he has been a lot more conservative in his play. Last game, however, he ran around like Valencia of last season. Hopefully he is over those injuries and can improve.
 
He’s gone back to being hugely underrated in here again for whatever reason. Still the best RB in the league
 
He’s gone back to being hugely underrated in here again for whatever reason. Still the best RB in the league

Agreed. Listen I have also got a bit frustrated in the past with his poor crosses or backward passes. But what you’ve got to see is that this is a team sport - sorry for the cliche. For his position he does a great job. I think at times his decision making has been viewed negatively unfairly as you have to consider other players in the team. For example in our last game just take a look at the way Pogba and him were working on the right. Really nit one time forward passes and movement. I think his crosses have greatly improvement too. I cannot readily see an upgrade to him in our league right now. Especially when you throw in love for the club, getting settled in and delivering for another team (eg Shaw) etc.
 
How often do you actually see fullbacks beating a man unless they overlap?

All the time. Semedo,Grimaldo, Trippier,Walker, Sandro,Fabinho(when he played there) Mendy, Marcelo,Varvajl even Shaw. There is a video clip of Semedo going past and through 3 and driving in to the box then switching to his left and scoring.

It’s also not just about that tho, it’s having the ability to create a yard and get off a cross which is something Valencia Just doesn’t seem to be able to do. Modern fullbacks are huge attacking threats and are able to create things. Valencia doesn’t do these things consistently enough.

By the standard of fullback 20years ago Valencia would be right up there but games moved on and he isn’t contributing enough offensively to our play.

@TrustInJanuzai he’s never been the best RB in the league.
 
All the time. Semedo,Grimaldo, Trippier,Walker, Sandro,Fabinho(when he played there) Mendy, Marcelo,Varvajl even Shaw. There is a video clip of Semedo going past and through 3 and driving in to the box then switching to his left and scoring.

It’s also not just about that tho, it’s having the ability to create a yard and get off a cross which is something Valencia Just doesn’t seem to be able to do. Modern fullbacks are huge attacking threats and are able to create things. Valencia doesn’t do these things consistently enough.

By the standard of fullback 20years ago Valencia would be right up there but games moved on and he isn’t contributing enough offensively to our play.

@TrustInJanuzai he’s never been the best RB in the league.
I just don’t see how you can mention someone like Walker as an upgrade when all he has ever been is a pace merchant that doesn’t have any real quality. you Have to consider that Valencia literally runs that right wing by himself most of the time whereas Walker has played in two teams in recent years that are far more cohesive. Is his delivery amazing? No. However, it’s certainly better than most fullbacks and is at least on a par with someone like Walker. At the other end of the pitch, that’s where Valencia shows how good he is, not a player in the world I’d fancy in a one on one with him considering his pace and his power. I can’t see who in the league would be an upgrade personally.
 
I just don’t see how you can mention someone like Walker as an upgrade when all he has ever been is a pace merchant that doesn’t have any real quality. you Have to consider that Valencia literally runs that right wing by himself most of the time whereas Walker has played in two teams in recent years that are far more cohesive. Is his delivery amazing? No. However, it’s certainly better than most fullbacks and is at least on a par with someone like Walker. At the other end of the pitch, that’s where Valencia shows how good he is, not a player in the world I’d fancy in a one on one with him considering his pace and his power. I can’t see who in the league would be an upgrade personally.
I do agree on in 1 vs 1 defending Valencia has shown he’s incredible. However that only one aspect of defending and he is liable to ball watch and let’s people run off of him often. His defending isn’t good enough to counteract the ineffectiveness going forward.

Also what’s wrong with him running that right hand side by himself. Walker,Semedo any top class RB would love the space Valencia is afforded on the right. I really don’t get this it’s because he is all alone on the right argument. The point of Mata being there is to create the space for Valencia to exploit, something he really doesn’t do well enough I’m afraid. Must add Valencia is worked in to opertunities that a good fullback like those mentioned would take advantage of and more often than not he hammers it mindlessly or Just recirculates play after dithering too long. I mean I’d rather he did that than his smash and hope but the point is he is given plenty of opportunity to influence the game and he just doesn’t do it where in if we upgrade that right side would be transformed.

I’m not saying Walker is the be all and end all of Fullbacks but last year it was a toss up between he and Moses.

A problem tho is that there aren’t many great RBs around that are available now. Valencia is a solid no frills option who does a job but it’s an area that if improved upon I would think we’ll see massive gains.
 
Should be his last season as first choice. Awful going forwards and yet the modern day full back is required to offer an attacking outlet
 
All the time. Semedo,Grimaldo, Trippier,Walker, Sandro,Fabinho(when he played there) Mendy, Marcelo,Varvajl even Shaw. There is a video clip of Semedo going past and through 3 and driving in to the box then switching to his left and scoring.

It’s also not just about that tho, it’s having the ability to create a yard and get off a cross which is something Valencia Just doesn’t seem to be able to do. Modern fullbacks are huge attacking threats and are able to create things. Valencia doesn’t do these things consistently enough.

By the standard of fullback 20years ago Valencia would be right up there but games moved on and he isn’t contributing enough offensively to our play.

@TrustInJanuzai he’s never been the best RB in the league.

When did Walker dribble past players more than Valencia ever did? Admittedly, I don't watch all the big leagues as much as you seem to do, so there may be some that do this with regularity and are great defensively as well.

The only fullbacks that I have seen that go past players like wingers are/were Marcelo and Evra and to some extent Carvajal. All the others, including Alves, were/are more dependant on their wingers creating space to run into. I think there were stats last season showing that Valencia had more successful take ons than any other fullback in the league. Considering that Valencia had more crosses last season than any other player in the league, and far ahead of any other fullback, your arguments just seem weirdly biased towards one of our better performers over the last couple of seasons.

It's nice that you talk about a clip showing Semedo going past three players - go watch a Youtube compilation of Valencia. He's done that a fair few times.

He needs to get more assists, and he needs to get more up the pitch like he did against Newcastle. If he can continue last season's form, I have no issues with him at all.

One thing about Valencia that seem to go unnoticed is how good he is at bringing the ball out from defense. With all our other defenders playing hoofball, it's nice to see him (and Young) actually having the ability and calm to play out from the back.
 
Massively overrated, his attacking game is quite weak. Our fullbacks simply don't do enough. We'll never take the leap forward as a team until its sorted out.
 
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