I see what you did there - nice. There's a spot in the team today, as surely Lingard won't start after Tuesday. Be nice if Martial comes in and puts this to bed. Even if he doesn't, as everyone (who is rational) has stated, this is a non starter.
Anthony Martial to Spurs | Bouhafsi : "Bid rejected"
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I see what you did there - nice. There's a spot in the team today, as surely Lingard won't start after Tuesday. Be nice if Martial comes in and puts this to bed. Even if he doesn't, as everyone (who is rational) has stated, this is a non starter.
I think we really should be starting Martial more, he won't get any better without consistent game time. Could be such a key player for us if we use him in the correct way.
Martial needs to help himself.
He played 90 minutes in some big games for us last season, including the league cup final, and didn't deliver.
He gets opportunities. He's just not delivering.
I am not concerned about Spurs bid. However there is no smoke without fire. First Inter, now Spurs.....it seems his agent has been pretty busy lately
As opposed to Lingard or Mkhitaryan?
We were talking about Martial though?
Not really. Martial himself has said he doesn't want to leave and his brother reiterated this pre season.
You don't sell players with his abilities and talent, who has proven his worth in the Premier League, just because he's had a tough season under a new manager. And you especially don't sell him for 60 million if you paid 56 million for him in the first place, before he had even proven anything, and given the current market's valuation of young, talented players.
As for not featuring in the manager's plans, he played around the same amount of minutes as Lingard in the PL. It's just that he wasn't awarded as much leeway as Lingard which irritates people.
Comparing him to Depay and Schneiderlin as far as his situation goes is just a poor comparison. Depay never received much of a chance under Mourinho in the first place. Hell, even LvG eventually benched him because, unlike Martial, he never even produced much. They simply can't be compared situation wise.
Read in the other thread that...
League goals plus assists last season:
Martial - 10
Lingard+Rashersss - 9
If true I'm astonished to the difference in perception of Martial and Rasherinho by Mourinho and the caf. Flabbergasted.
League goals plus assists last season:
Martial - 10
Lingard+Rashersss - 9
If true I'm astonished to the difference in perception of Martial and Rasherinho by Mourinho and the caf. Flabbergasted.
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He was given more minutes than either of them if you look at the league and EL.
I think if the offer is right and we can sign Perisic, there is a real possibility that we are going to sell him. He would be well behind Perisic, Rashford, Mkhitaryan, Mata and Lingard and would probably start no more than 20 games this season. If Spurs offer us £50m for a 6th choice forward/winger, we might accept that.
I don't believe it myself. I think there's mischief making because of our interest in Dier and Rose.
That's not true. Signing Perisic means Martial would be our 2nd choice LW and 3rd choice striker (4th, if Ibra comes back), while Rashford, Lingard and Mkhi will be excused from LW duties for the most part.
I think Martial can live with being Perisic's understudy at his age.
Hard to believe that both inter and Spurs would make offers without any sort of encouragement from martials camp to do so.
Bingo.
Poch/Spurs just desperately trying to cause some sort of ripple without much ado about nothing.
Everyone knows they're a penny pinching club so this is definitely a load of crap and nothing but an insult. £35M or whatever it is? The feck outta here with that none sense. Must've broke Levy's heart thinking about taking over a dollar out of his piggy bank. Same man who wants over the odds for his own players.
Dier = £55M
Martial = £35M ?
...Spurs logic. Deluded
The squad always had players superior to Martial, only not in his position. The two players that he's competing with for minutes are Lingard and Rashford. Offensively at least he's been better than both, even in his last season which was disappointing.
I don't think anyone is saying United should be built around Martial, but sometimes you gotta play players to their strengths. Like Matic playing in the base of a midfield 3 and Pogba the LCM so he can bomb forward. Or Mata/Mkhi given the license to roam form the right wing like a #10/SS instead of being pigeonholed to the RW. Or Fellaini being played almost like a #10 to utilise his heading/chesting ability when Mou found out he was a liability in DM.
Martial has a bit of a languid style about him like Berbatov before him. Given license to play further up the pitch and join Lukaku as a left forward could see him do considerable damage. Asked to play like a winger and he's going to struggle.
Like I said playing someone to their strengths is not building the team around them. If Jose needs a LW he might as well go buy that (like he's trying to do) and sell Martial. He can utilise Lingard and Rashford as back up LW who are perhaps more versatile players.
Most likely Lingard and Rashord had 3 times more of playing time as well.
This is the same f*cking moron who bid £12 million for Zaha.
Would love Everton to bid for him and offer to play him as our main striker. A man can dream aye.
Not sure why you're bringing EL considering PL was for most part of the season (before April) our main objective, once Mourinho put all eggs in Europa basket Martial started few games towards the end which takes his minutes higher. Even then you're wrong, here are the minutes played by them in PL and EL last season:
1) Rashford
PL 1,702'; Starts: 16 Sub Apps: 16
EL 767'; Starts: 8 Sub Apps: 3
Total 2469'
All competitions 3,068'
Goals + Assists 17
2) Martial
PL 1,560'; Starts: 18 Sub Apps: 7
EL 438'; Starts: 4 Sub Apps: 6
Total 1998'
All competitions 2.517'
Goals + Assists 16
3) Lingard
PL 1,366' Starts: 18 Subs Apps: 7
EL 525'; Starts: 6 Sub Apps: 4
Total 1891'
All competitions 2,208'
Goals + Assists 8
So Martial started fewer games than either of his competition despite producing more and at a faster rate, this all happened in a season which was seen as a disappointment for Martial considering the heights he reached the season before and he was still more productive than any other wide player in our ranks.
Everton want 30 mil plus for Barkley which Spurs are reluctant to meet.
This Wont happen. Spurs either dont have the money pr are unwilling to spend any this Summer.
But it wouldn't surprise me if this is Martial's last season at the club though. He just won't be moving to Spurs.
This Wont happen. Spurs either dont have the money pr are unwilling to spend any this Summer.
But it wouldn't surprise me if this is Martial's last season at the club though. He just won't be moving to Spurs.
That is massively undervaluing him. If he had just had a season like his first in the current market he would be worth near to £100 million. Now obviously he's coming off the back of a disappointing season and hence isn't worth that now, but if he went to Spurs and had a great season he'd be worth that again...maybe even more looking at what Mbappe is rumoured to be going for.
That's not really our problem though is it? I would like nothing more than to see Martial become a regular starter this season, but it needs to be on merit - we shouldn't be playing or selling him because he wants to get in the World Cup squad...
That's nice and all but you might want to properly read what I said before you do your research.
All I said was he played more minutes compared to Lingard and Micky in the league and Europe put together, which still stands true.
Jose took the EL seriously from day one with his comments and team selections.
Half the forum were criticising Jose for it saying we should be playing the youngsters etc
Half the forum were criticising Jose for it saying we should be playing the youngsters etc
Hahaha, why would this work, Levy?
What you gonna offer him lad, £30k a week? Jog on
What you gonna offer him lad, £30k a week? Jog on
There is no chance a manager can implement a system to get the best out of every single player in his squad, especially when 90% of them are players he didn't even purchase himself. Jose Mourinho never was and never will be a posession manager. His tactics have always been about quick transitions and movement, both things Martial needs to improve on.
Left forward may well be a good position for Martial, but we lack width as it is, losing out on the current widemen we have is going to make things even worse. It's not just the manager who has to adapt to the players, the players need to adapt to the manager too.
Also this talk about him needing to play as a forward is rubbish imo, just excuses to explain his disappointing form. His best asset is his ability on the ball, which is one of the most important attributes for a wide player. His problem hasn't been his position, it has been his slow and care-free playstyle, lack of movement etc. Whether this is down to tactics or faults of his own, I'm not sure but given Jose obviously doesn't prefer him currently, it's fair to say he's not doing what he expects.
Lastly just because Jose thinks the squad needs a proper winger (which we do, we don't have a single one), doesn't mean he doesn't see Martial in his plans. If he wasn't in his plans he'd be gone, we'd hardly be short on suitors.
Aye ... a "penny pinching club" that has invested/is investing not far short of £1 billion in our new stadium complex and new training centre.
Indulging in silly stereotypes does you no favours.
This
Probably the most bizzare rumour of the whole summer. Almost as bizzare as Spurs fans thinking they are a big club now.
What player was that?
don't blame you for asking there must be so many applicable situations you put yourself in...
Eric Dier.
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Has your secret squirrel agent said anything on the Shaw situation? Surely he would be of interest to Totehnahm given the circumstances. Is his agent "doing the rounds too"?
Has your secret squirrel agent said anything on the Shaw situation? Surely he would be of interest to Totehnahm given the circumstances. Is his agent "doing the rounds too"?
If it was a loan rather than a full purchase I'd have no issue with him going to spurs. He'd get minutes there and he'd be playing under a good manager who might well be better for his game than Mourinho. But a permanent deal? Get out of town.
yeah, there is only so much the coach can do and risk if a player does not deliver. I think/hope with some of his personal BS calming down that he will hopefully appreciate the situation he is in and show us what he can really do.
Yeah but that stadium money means you can't spend big on players. That's obvious right?
Ah yes, Eric Dier that non-starter who started 46 of the 49 games he was available for last season .. gotcha.
I can't wait to see Spurs new stadium score 20 goals on the way to winning the league.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on a lot of that.
You also don't know what Jose or Martial plan to do once Jose gets his winger. It hasn't played out yet. Either of them or both might decide it's best to part ways.
Does not mean he is worth 50 mil. Plus if all your players are fit, who does he replace?
Spurs get accused of a lack of ambition.
Proceed to start bidding for players they know they have zero chance of getting to feign ambition and appease the fans that can't see through the transparent ploy.
In other news, some bloke down the pub called me a wimp so I offered out Mike Tyson on Twitter. That'll show him!
Proceed to start bidding for players they know they have zero chance of getting to feign ambition and appease the fans that can't see through the transparent ploy.
In other news, some bloke down the pub called me a wimp so I offered out Mike Tyson on Twitter. That'll show him!
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