Anthony Martial to Spurs | Bouhafsi : "Bid rejected"

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Arbitrium said:
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Would you want martial?
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In a single word yes indeed, we were negotiating before United came in I see no reason why we still wouldn't want him. Simply can't understand why Jose would let him go unless his agent has said he wants out. Don't think it will happen.

What I will say is "in this current market" doesn't really apply to a player who isn't fancied by the clubs manager, clearly some people don't understand this.

One thing I want to know from United fans, has Martial improved since you signed him? Do u see him as a wide player or CF?

harshad said:
How much did they actually bid?
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No one knows yet, but I'm sure it wouldn't be £20M lol
 
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I can see you guys accept a 45Mil-50Mil offer for him, since it is how much you guys have roughly paid for him thus far. He hasn't really lit up the league for the price you paid. Over 2 seasons and 55 games he has scored 15 goals. Solid numbers but certainly not crazy numbers. He has potential, but again question is is will he be able to hit it.

Martial isn't Mou's favorite and that is quite clear. Personally he along with Pogba should be your untouchables, but that isnt the case.

I think Mou has his heart set on Bale and the Martial sale would facilitate that transfer. Position opens up and you get your money back from Martial transfer.

So the question becomes would you be willing to part with Martial to get Bale.

Will Spurs pay that I doubt it unless bonuses get added. 40Mil + 5Mil+
 
Levy-nomics said:
I can see you guys accept a 45Mil-50Mil offer for him, since it is how much you guys have roughly paid for him thus far. He hasn't really lit up the league for the price you paid. Over 2 seasons and 55 games he has scored 15 goals. Solid numbers but certainly not crazy numbers. He has potential, but again question is is will he be able to hit it.

Martial isn't Mou's favorite and that is quite clear. Personally he along with Pogba should be your untouchables, but that isnt the case.

I think Mou has his heart set on Bale and the Martial sale would facilitate that transfer. Position opens up and you get your money back from Martial transfer.

So the question becomes would you be willing to part with Martial to get Bale.

Will Spurs pay that I doubt it unless bonuses get added. 40Mil + 5Mil+
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25 actually
 
InLevyITrust said:
In a single word yes indeed, we were negotiating before United came in I see no reason why we still wouldn't want him. Simply can't understand why Jose would let him go unless his agent has said he wants out. Don't think it will happen.

What I will say is "in this current market" doesn't really apply to a player who isn't fancied by the clubs manager, clearly some people don't understand this.

One thing I want to know from United fans, has Martial improved since you signed him? Do u see him as a wide player or CF?



No one knows yet, but I'm sure it wouldn't be £20M lol
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Remember, PSG paid £40million 3 years ago for David Luiz who at the time was rated as highly as Titus bramble.
 
spontaneus1 said:
Not a hope we let him go for that in this market, that barely gets you a Siggurdson.
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I think you will find currently Siggi is much more end product than Martial, in a much worse team. That's why he has value.

Arbitrium said:
Remember, PSG paid £40million 3 years ago for David Luiz who at the time was rated as highly as Titus bramble.
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PSG sign player like Luiz and Neymar for more than just end product, they play in a league which is seen as second tier. They didn't need to sign Neymar to win the league they simply done it because they could.
 
Jaybomb said:
You sound optimistic. Has Ferguson never had a melt down then? I don't remember him getting sacked over it.

We won't sack Mourinho. Unless he finishes outside the top 10 or something crazy. Stop anticipating the worst. He was simply at the wrong club before in Chelsea. They sack all their managers. Mourinho is no different.

He left Inter and Madrid. If I remember correctly, Madrid offered him another deal and he chose to return to Chelsea. We should have hired him back then and never got Moyes. But it is what it is.
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I'm not optimistic. Things went to shit for him at Chelsea, they fell apart a bit in his first Chelsea stint and at Real, and I assume they will here too. There's only so much fuel you can get out of a siege mentality. I love Jose, just I believe it'll be a temporal affair.

And because of that, I hope that he doesn't get rid of Martial, because I think he'd flourish elsewhere and its up to Jose to get the best out of him, and of course Martial himself. But Jose says he's doing brilliantly in training so we can't ask much more of him. Up to Jose now to get him firing as he was under LVG.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I think you will find currently Siggi is much more end product than Martial, in a much worse team. That's why he has value.



PSG sign player like Luiz and Neymar for more than just end product, they play in a league which is seen as second tier. They didn't need to sign Neymar to win the league they simply done it because they could.
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Turamb said:
150M £ at least
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Why would Martial be worth that amount? Not being a WUM simply would like to know.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I think you will find currently Siggi is much more end product than Martial, in a much worse team. That's why he has value.



PSG sign player like Luiz and Neymar for more than just end product, they play in a league which is seen as second tier. They didn't need to sign Neymar to win the league they simply done it because they could.
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I promise you that if a player like martial is to leave, then the current market will be dictating the price he leaves for more than any other factor.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Why would Martial be worth that amount? Not being a WUM simply would like to know.
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He isn't worth that, but in a market where Levy just sneers of our reported £50m bid for Dier then Martial is worth £60m minimum.

Quite frankly Levy is an idiot for submitting a bid at the reported sums, he as well as everyone else knows it is just posturing, and I hope we repay you with tapping up your players (like we opposed to you can do due to wages) and submit offers.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Why would Martial be worth that amount? Not being a WUM simply would like to know.
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I don't care much for discussions about arbitrary values but Martial at his peak should be a top 10 ballon d'Or player, assuming he develops as expected. Comparing him unfavourably to Siggurdsson suggests you probably aren't aware of that.
 
Whatever we've spent on martial so far, add £10million to it and I'd gladly accept. I'm not naive enough to turn down a return on investment in a player who has every much chance of being a failure as he does a success. That's just the fact of it.
 
Arbitrium said:
I promise you that if a player like martial is to leave, then the current market will be dictating the price he leaves for more than any other factor.
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The current market is high for first team players, game changers who guarantee output. I'm not saying Martial is worth £30M but do u honestly think he's worth £150M? Jose tore him to shreds public ally last season. Btw I don't think we have a chance of signing him I just wanna know why you think he's worth so much?
 
InLevyITrust said:
The current market is high for first team players, game changers who guarantee output. I'm not saying Martial is worth £30M but do u honestly think he's worth £150M? Jose tore him to shreds public ally last season. Btw I don't think we have a chance of signing him I just wanna know why you think he's worth so much?
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I didn't say he was worth that much, read my most recent post.
 
InLevyITrust said:
The current market is high for first team players, game changers who guarantee output. I'm not saying Martial is worth £30M but do u honestly think he's worth £150M? Jose tore him to shreds public ally last season. Btw I don't think we have a chance of signing him I just wanna know why you think he's worth so much?
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Ultimately very hard to put a value on anybody at the moment, the market has gonw through amd obscene level of inflation over the last two seasons, Walker wasn't worth 50m, and Couthino certainly ismt worth 100, yet theae are the prices quoted. You can't sell a fullback for 50m and bid half of that for a player with the potential of Marital with the fees currently quoted for players littlw more than potential.
 
Arbitrium said:
I didn't say he was worth that much, read my most recent post.
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Turamb said:
1) Neymar broke everything
2) That's what Tottenham would charge us for their third option left bench player
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Neymar didn't , this is simply PSG dick swinging, their owners basically own a country. It was payback for Verrati interest.

I think Martial is worth a hell of a lot more than £25M but you would be deluded to think he would break £100M, my god you paid less for Lukaku who is proven.

spontaneus1 said:
Ultimately very hard to put a value on anybody at the moment, the market has gonw through amd obscene level of inflation over the last two seasons, Walker wasn't worth 50m, and Couthino certainly ismt worth 100, yet theae are the prices quoted. You can't sell a fullback for 50m and bid half of that for a player with the potential of Marital with the fees currently quoted for players littlw more than potential.
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I agree totally but tell me honestly is Martial worth more than Coutinho?
 
InLevyITrust said:
Neymar didn't , this is simply PSG dick swinging, their owners basically own a country. It was payback for Verrati interest.

I think Martial is worth a hell of a lot more than £25M but you would be deluded to think he wouldn't break £100M, my god you pained less for Lukaku who is proven.



I agree totally but tell me honestly is Martial worth more than Coutinho?
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Do you honestly believe that's the main reason PSG signed Neymar? Or that it was even a reason at all?
 
spontaneus1 said:
Not a hope we let him go for that in this market, that barely gets you a Siggurdson.
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Yeah, but Gylfi is essential to Swansea and basicly the sale of him releagates Swansea. Martial isn't going to make or break your season. You guys would 100% get a replacement that is as good as him and his numbers but more likely get an upgrade.

United22 said:
25 actually
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In the EPL he has scored 15 goals in 56 EPL games.
 
Arbitrium said:
Do you honestly believe that's the main reason PSG signed Neymar? Or that it was even a reason at all?
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No like I said it's more a "look what we can do" why would a Ligue 1 side need to do that? One player won't win you the CL, they will walk Ligue 1 next season after Monaco basically sold itself. You tell me why you think they signed him? I don't wanna derail this thread and I only have 10 posts a day :confused:.
 
InLevyITrust said:
No like I said it's more a "look what we can do" why would a Ligue 1 side need to do that? One player won't win you the CL, they will walk Ligue 1 next season after Monaco basically sold itself. You tell me why you think they signed him? I don't wanna derail this thread and I only have 10 posts a day :confused:.
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They signed him because he's one of the biggest superstars in the game, a worldwide icon, one of the most marketable athletes on the planet and a very likely future ballon d'or winner. Also, he's really fecking good at football. It had nothing to do with proving a point. The fee was his buyout which they could simply afford to trigger. They have a project and a plan and having neymar onboard was a massive part of that.
 
Brwned said:
I don't care much for discussions about arbitrary values but Martial at his peak should be a top 10 ballon d'Or player, assuming he develops as expected. Comparing him unfavourably to Siggurdsson suggests you probably aren't aware of that.
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Yeah, under Pochettino I have no doubts he'd thrive. Heck, look at his first season: he was our top scorer in a team which couldn't score. In a team with more license to attack and create chances, I think he'd do well. He's only 21 but many have written him off already.
 
Arbitrium said:
They signed him because he's one of the biggest superstars in the game, a worldwide icon, one of the most marketable athletes on the planet and a very likely future ballon d'or winner. Also, he's really fecking good at football. It had nothing to do with proving a point. The fee was his buyout which they could simply afford to trigger. They have a project and a plan and having neymar onboard was a massive part of that.
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Your missing the point, PSG DONT NEED MONEY, they are in a second tier league against opposition that has basically weakened itself this summer. Yes Neymar is good but he's not at Messi or Ronaldo level. What project? To collect the most expensive team ever? They will never be a club like United or Madrid simply because the French league isn't up to the standard of Spain or England. We're talking about a team who just doubled the record fee overnight. There isn't another club in the world that could do that.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Your missing the point, PSG DONT NEED MONEY, they are in a second tier league against opposition that has basically weakened itself this summer. Yes Neymar is good but he's not at Messi or Ronaldo level. What project? To collect the most expensive team ever? They will never be a club like United or Madrid simply because the French league isn't up to the standard of Spain or England.
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Back to the original point. The market will dictate martials fee should he leave, just like it'll dictate almost any transfer now especially involving English clubs.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I imagine we'd take what we paid for him. Not that Spurs could afford that and his wages.
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He's not paid over what our maximum top earner owns, no matter what some would lead you to believe. We were on course to sign him 2 seasons ago.

Arbitrium said:
Back to the original point. The market will dictate martials fee should he leave, just like it'll dictate almost any transfer now especially involving English clubs.
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Your not comparing like with like though, Neymar as you say is a world star, Martial struggles to get a regular starting place. Has Martial progressed since he left France? No. Is he vital to his current manager or first team squad? No. Like I said I don't think we will get him, but he's not a player who demands top billing. If you sign Perisic (spelling) he's gonna fall desperate down the pecking order. The thing that a lot of United fans say work 2 ways, an ambitious player won't be happy sitting on a bench earning a wage if he's not progressing as a player, the same way a 1st teamer won't be happy to play every week not earning what they could.
 
InLevyITrust said:
He's not paid over what our maximum top earner owns, no matter what some would lead you to believe. We were on course to sign him 2 seasons ago.
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Google seems to be saying £65k a week. I was assuming higher than that!

Fair enough.

You wouldn't pay upwards of £50m for him, though.
 
InLevyITrust said:
He's not paid over what our maximum top earner owns, no matter what some would lead you to believe. We were on course to sign him 2 seasons ago.



Your not comparing like with like though, Neymar as you say is a world star, Martial struggles to get a regular starting place. Has Martial progressed since he left France? No. Is he vital to his current manager or first team squad? No. Like I said I don't think we will get him, but he's not a player who demands top billing. If you sign Perisic (spelling) he's gonna fall desperate down the pecking order. The thing that a lot of United players work 2 ways, an ambitious player won't be happy sitting on a bench earning a wage if he's not progressing as a player, the same way a 1st teamer won't be happy to play every week not earning what they could.
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sure, spurs can try and sign him stating their case, but the things you mention won't be what determines how much we would ask for him. It would be "current market" and "potential"
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Google seems to be saying £65k a week. I was assuming higher than that!

Fair enough.

You wouldn't pay upwards of £50m for him, though.
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I'd say that would be a fair price, Levy would want it on performance related instalments and that's why it will die on its arse.

Arbitrium said:
sure, spurs can try and sign him stating their case, but the things you mention won't be what determines how much we would ask for him. It would be "current market" and "potential"
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That will be the problem.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Why would Martial be worth that amount? Not being a WUM simply would like to know.
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Given that we don't want to sell him, He is worth however valuable he is to us and however desperate you are to have him.

Current market prices suggests that is close to £100m with significant add ons
 
FlawlessThaw said:
It's not a serious bid, it was made to appease a lot of fans who have itchy feet. Spurs have probably been egged on probably by Martial's agent who wants the club to know that he has options outside of United as well.

We did a lot of this during Moyes' tenure as well, make pointless unrealistic bids.
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But at least we make a sound offer.

Imagine Levy comes offer you the chance to play in the super cool new stadium where you should take the pay cut & forget about winning trophies...
 
InLevyITrust said:
I agree totally but tell me honestly is Martial worth more than Coutinho?
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Transfer request aside, Liverpool have no want or need to sell Coutinho, hence it will take a ridiculous offer for them to sell.

Utd also have no want or need to sell Martial, so let me ask you, how much do you think Levy would need to offer to get Utd to even consider it, and then do you think Levy would offer it, considering you're record transfer is, what? £30m?

If I were a Spurs fan I'd be fairly pissed off if reports of offering £25m for Martial are true considering the apparent resistance to actually spend any money in this window.
 
Eyepopper said:
Transfer request aside, Liverpool have no want or need to sell Coutinho, hence it will take a ridiculous offer for them to sell.

Utd also have no want or need to sell Martial, so let me ask you, how much do you think Levy would need to offer to get Utd to even consider it, and then do you think Levy would offer it, considering you're record transfer is, what? £30m?

If I were a Spurs fan I'd be fairly pissed off if reports of offering £25m for Martial are true considering the apparent resistance to actually spend any money in this window.
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I'd agree if it really was a 25M bid, we were on course to sign Martial before you swooped in so I'm sure we could come close to what we were before. I honestly have no idea.

If you sign the left winger that JOSE seems to want what exactly will happen to Martial? Would u agree Jose has been less than impressed by him?
 
Martials market value, taking absolutely everything into account and removing all bias, is around the £60million mark.
 
Lol 25m - Levy is actually spoiling Spurs reputation here.

Gray cost 20m to Watford FFS !
 
InLevyITrust said:
I'd agree if it really was a 25M bid, we were on course to sign Martial before you swooped in so I'm sure we could come close to what we were before. I honestly have no idea.

If you sign the left winger that JOSE seems to want what exactly will happen to Martial? Would u agree Jose has been less than impressed by him?
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You would have never paid 36m with additional add ons - had he stayed one more year , he would have joined some other top club
 
Arbitrium said:
Martials market value, taking absolutely everything into account and removing all bias, is around the £60million mark.
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Arguably true. No one would pay it, though. Which is why there is no point selling now. We keep him and we'd probably still get thirty even after another disappointing season, or he comes good and we have a quality player.
 
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