Anthony Martial to Spurs | Bouhafsi : "Bid rejected"

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Only way this is sanctioned is if Bale is on the way, pushing him further down the pecking order, and Spurs demand him for Rose; I also feel the player himself needs Pocchettino more than Mourinho at this point.

Superb talent, but much like Shaw, his personality requires a certain kind of reassurance to perform at his best, something Mourinho seems reluctant to indulge either in.

Ultimately, it could come down to who would be the bigger asset to United next season; Rose adding another dimension tactically down the left, or a languid, peripheral Martial? The answer, to me, is Rose.
 
You should also follow your advice yourself and choose when to talk about Mourinho not liking young talents.

I never said he dislikes young players,he can buy them, he can use already established young prospects in the club like Rashford ( when someone else before him placed a trust and took a risk) but Rashford would never ever happened under JM if he was our manager 2 seasons ago, simple. There are plenty of examples of his "if you are old enough, you are good enough" bullshit.

Unlike majority here, JM isnt my landlord, there are things i like about JM and there are things i have issues with and one of issue is his lack of trust in young talents that demand him to place a trust and take a risk, he cant see positive things when it comes to young guns, he would rather force and play senior out of form, because age is really important to him.
 
I never said he dislikes young players,he can buy them, he can use already established young prospects in the club like Rashford ( when someone else before him placed a trust and took a risk) but Rashford would never ever happened under JM if he was our manager 2 seasons ago, simple. There are plenty of examples of his "if you are old enough, you are good enough" bullshit.

Unlike majority here, JM isnt my landlord, there are things i like about JM and there are things i have issues with and one of issue is his lack of trust in young talents that demand him to place a trust and take a risk, he cant see positive things when it comes to young guns, he would rather force and play senior out of form, because age is really important to him.

Wouldn't have happened under LVG only for everyone else was injured. People seem to forget that.
 
I never said he dislikes young players,he can buy them, he can use already established young prospects in the club like Rashford ( when someone else before him placed a trust and took a risk) but Rashford would never ever happened under JM if he was our manager 2 seasons ago, simple. There are plenty of examples of his "if you are old enough, you are good enough" bullshit.

Unlike majority here, JM isnt my landlord, there are things i like about JM and there are things i have issues with and one of issue is his lack of trust in young talents that demand him to place a trust and take a risk, he cant see positive things when it comes to young guns, he would rather force and play senior out of form, because age is really important to him.

Don't think it's necessarily to do with age but more with mentality. Yes, it's true Rashford most likely wouldn't have happened if Jose was here, but I could say that for just about any other manager in football. Rashford wasn't even very highly rated by people who watched the reserves religiously and the only reason he played was due to every other option being injured and him being available. Right player, right time, sort of thing.

That being said, LVG took the risk with Martial and he was established too, yet he isn't doing as well under Jose as Rashford is, despite Rashford being younger. Which brings me back to my point about it being about mentality. I don't think he works very well with players who don't share the same desire and drive to win as he does, the same mentality. Not all players have that do or die mentality like he does, Rashford rubs me off as the sort of player who does have that mentality, Martial - not so much.
 
Unlike majority here, JM isnt my landlord, there are things i like about JM and there are things i have issues with and one of issue is his lack of trust in young talents that demand him to place a trust and take a risk, he cant see positive things when it comes to young guns, he would rather force and play senior out of form, because age is really important to him.

Hang on, he gave Martial loads of chances last season and Martial did not take them well enough.

I think/hope most people would agree that Mourinho showed a lot of faith in Rashford last season...and he's younger than Martial, so why not Martial? Clearly age is not the issue here.
 
Surely Levy wouldnt waste his own time making pointless £25m bids in a market that dictates someone like Martial is probably 3x that in value.
 
I never said he dislikes young players,he can buy them, he can use already established young prospects in the club like Rashford ( when someone else before him placed a trust and took a risk) but Rashford would never ever happened under JM if he was our manager 2 seasons ago, simple. There are plenty of examples of his "if you are old enough, you are good enough" bullshit.

Unlike majority here, JM isnt my landlord, there are things i like about JM and there are things i have issues with and one of issue is his lack of trust in young talents that demand him to place a trust and take a risk, he cant see positive things when it comes to young guns, he would rather force and play senior out of form, because age is really important to him.

I can discuss, but again what you said from your very first post here is nothing related to this thread, which is about us refusing to sell Martial. Mourinho said before he's part of the squad as the rest of the players, and the player himself said multiple times he's not gonna leave and we shouldn't listen to rumors..etc, but then you come on here to write a post about how Mourinho dislikes young talents and how his judgement on them are crap.. etc. It's as if you wait for anything related to Martial leaving or not to post this, so when you write a comment unrelated to the thread main topic be ready for the comments like mine, because the thread is about us refusing to sell Martial not selling.

Save this discussion when Martial got sold, otherwise there's nothing to prove your points from his regime here in this club and more importantly, talking about this in a thread about us rejecting a bid for him doesn't make any sense.
 
As far I can see, I implied that Kane was worth more than £90m. If I'm missing something then you'd better spell it out.
I'll spell it out then. He's suggesting that you are being hypocritical in some of the things you say. You said today:
Yes, but that's not the way that transfer deals work. Because a club overpays for player X, does not mean that this becomes the immoveable benchmark for all future deals.
So, @Summit pointed out that you had previously said this:
"Seeing as Lukaku is costing £90m, I can only wonder at Kane's valuation."
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rome...-personal-terms.412308/page-200#post-21155423
So you seem to imply that Lukaku's fee is some sort of benchmark for Kane's potential fee.
(Just so we're clear, this is between you and @Summit and I'm simply a narrator).
 
I understand your position, but it is about more than Martial the player. It's about our managers inability (thus far, hopefully it'll click this season) to motivate and play talented youngsters to the best of their ability. And Martial is a potential world class player. Mourinho will most likely melt down next year and be sacked, or so history tells us. I would hope that by the time that happens he hasn't sold Martial. I hope even more that he's won a few more trophies with us!
You sound optimistic. Has Ferguson never had a melt down then? I don't remember him getting sacked over it.

We won't sack Mourinho. Unless he finishes outside the top 10 or something crazy. Stop anticipating the worst. He was simply at the wrong club before in Chelsea. They sack all their managers. Mourinho is no different.

He left Inter and Madrid. If I remember correctly, Madrid offered him another deal and he chose to return to Chelsea. We should have hired him back then and never got Moyes. But it is what it is.
 
Barcelona just signed Paulinho from the Chinese League. Does that automatically make him a world-beater? Get over your inferiority complexes.
For what they need, he's a good signing. Regular starter for Brazil. Not every player is judged on what they did in the Premier League.
 
I'll spell it out then. He's suggesting that you are being hypocritical in some of the things you say. You said today:

So, @Summit pointed out that you had previously said this:

So you seem to imply that Lukaku's fee is some sort of benchmark for Kane's potential fee.
(Just so we're clear, this is between you and @Summit and I'm simply a narrator).

I referred to overpaying for a player and then using it as a benchmark for other transfers. So I guess it depends on whether or not United fans think they got taken to the cleaners in signing Lukaku ...
 
@GlastonSpur
Who would he replace since he wouldn't be on the bench? Eriksen? Alli?
All Im asking Glaston is which Spurs superstar does Poch think our substitute is better than?

Bit daft. He's not better than either of those two. It's arguable over whether he's more talented of course but he's not bettter than Eriksen or Alli.
 
Martial is probably worth as much as Dembele and Mbappe. Not his fault that Moruinho doesn't play him enough. Levy is such a clown: my players are worth 500% of their value, but yours are worth only 20% of theirs.
 
@UnrelatedPsuedo
ffs look at who i tagged!

I saw. But baiting someone with nonsense is daft. Martial wouldn't displace either of the two you mentioned.

I don't think many would argue that Martial would flourish under Pochettino. I believe there's far more chance of him becoming world class at Spurs than here.

By the same token I'm sure that Alli would thrive at United but Eriksen probably wouldn't.
 
You sound optimistic. Has Ferguson never had a melt down then? I don't remember him getting sacked over it.

We won't sack Mourinho. Unless he finishes outside the top 10 or something crazy. Stop anticipating the worst. He was simply at the wrong club before in Chelsea. They sack all their managers. Mourinho is no different.

He left Inter and Madrid. If I remember correctly, Madrid offered him another deal and he chose to return to Chelsea. We should have hired him back then and never got Moyes. But it is what it is.

WTF? Mate, I can promise you, if Mourinho finishes outside the top four, he's gone.
 
Haha, never thought I'd see Candyman being referenced on the Caf as it's quite an unknown horror/thriller film for most people.

Back on topic:
Could Martial have given Spurs some sort of signal that he's interested in them?
 
He already has.
And he got a first season pass I feel and particularly due to winning the EL.

No way in hell Moyes and Van Gaal are getting the boot for not making the top four and Mourinho will be allowed to finish outside it twice.
 
I referred to overpaying for a player and then using it as a benchmark for other transfers. So I guess it depends on whether or not United fans think they got taken to the cleaners in signing Lukaku ...
Feels a bit desperate. Not one of your better efforts.
 
Tagging him is like saying Candyman three times into the mirror, you just know you'll regret it.

I tried that once. Nothing happened, which was a little disappointing in a weird sadistic way.

Never quite plucked up the courage to say Beetlejuice 3 times, though. Only men of men dare tread that path.
 
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Yes but if Spurs have had any encouragement at all it means they've promised him a starting spot. He's not swapping 1 bench for another which means he would displace a big name.
Eriksen has been linked with Barca if they fail with Dembele, my little post was waiting on the announcement of Martials worldy status if he became a starter for Spurs. Eriksen would then be downgraded.
Lets not think too hard on this lol
 
No WUM inteded, but for a player that cant displace Lingard from the team I think 25M pounds is about right.
All jokes aside I believe we should loan him since the special one doesnt fancy him, in this market he will easily fetch us more than half of Griezman fee.
Very unfortunate for him and for us that it has come to this.
 
No WUM inteded, but for a player that cant displace Lingard from the team I think 25M pounds is about right.
All jokes aside I believe we should loan him since the special one doesnt fancy him, in this market he will easily fetch us more than half of Griezman fee.
Very unfortunate for him and for us that it has come to this.

If he didn't fancy him he wouldn't be here. Could have got rid last Jan when a few clubs were interested, could have used him to get Perisic like Inter wanted this summer.

Martial will get plenty of opportunities this season.
 
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