Martial's biggest issue is when he's good he's great, but when he's bad, he tends to be really bad.
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It baffles me when it is the manager's fault if a player is playing badly, but it has nothing to so with the manager when the same player is playing brilliantly.
I agree with this. He would be great at City Liverpool or Spurs
Very true. Martial is really working harder now. I can clearly see that in his game. He looks more intereated. Like he cares a lot more and his agent is saying a lot less. My guess is this is why Jose has been sticking to him more and will start him again this weekend despite two poor games in a row.
Except that, that type of poster doesn't exist? If you can name even one poster on here that has said Martial has never had a bad game, I would be shocked. As far as "blaming" the midfield and the manager goes, it is quite clear that at present, it is Matic and Mourinho holding back the majority of our attacking play, would you disagree?
That isn't to say Martial is blameless, almost everyone I've seen posting in this thread agrees that he has faults (movement/intensity). What Martial FC are claiming is that we should play him regardless of those faults, because even with these glaring holes in his game, he is our best attacker, both statistically and aesthetically.
I think the point that "Martial FC" are making is that it is very hard to judge a talented young player too harshly when clearly, there is a much bigger problem.
As far as I'm concerned, Martial is our best talent and this ridiculous treatment of him by some fans (maybe not you) has been akin to Ronaldo in his early years at United. Clearly one of the best talents in the league, but certain people almost seem offended by that notion.
feck off haters. Just a little bump on the road. He'll be back.
Its not about overrating Martial. He's one of the best if not the best attacker we've got. Great productivity even when he's not the focal point of the team. He's not perfect or consistent but he's got the most potential. Will benefit the club eventually if we can develop him. That's why fans advocate for him to play regularly.
Has he fully recovered from his injury though?
Its not about overrating Martial. He's one of the best if not the best attacker we've got. Great productivity even when he's not the focal point of the team. He's not perfect or consistent but he's got the most potential. Will benefit the club eventually if we can develop him. That's why fans advocate for him to play regularly.
Has he fully recovered from his injury though?
Redcafe for you.
I don't understand Mourinho. Martial's biggest quality is his finishing. Why isn't he being deployed as a striker. He surely is gonna do better than Rashford and Lukaku. At least try something else. Either its Lukaku who is in awful state or Rashford who is not good as a finisher but has pace and could be used better from the left. . This guy is not a winger.
Every attack went down the left, he was very wasteful
When he’s “great” he’s scoring a goal a game so you can’t knock his productivity. However, his overall performance in games where he scores is usually identical to last night. Repeated bad decisions, poor off the ball movement and woeful short passing. If he ends up scoring a worldie none of that matters. However he can’t and won’t do that in every game so it’s a big fecking problem for the team that his basics are so consistently poor.
It's hard to find a wide forward/winger who isn't inconsistent but he has been horrible the past 2 games, seems as though the international break and his injury has halted the momentum he was building. Poor decision making, trying to over complicate things by dribbling too much or trying to score the perfect goal with a one-two. As some have said though - he didn't stop trying, just 2 bad days at the office.
I think a lot of it comes down to Pogba too. Pogba was poor on Saturday and of course didn't play most of last night and I think Pogba playing well is key to getting Martial in better positions. Pogba came on last night and straight away dinked the ball over the top for Martial to get on the end of, this was missing for most of the game and Martial was receiving the ball with 2 players to beat each time.
I think a lot of it comes down to Pogba too. Pogba was poor on Saturday and of course didn't play most of last night and I think Pogba playing well is key to getting Martial in better positions. Pogba came on last night and straight away dinked the ball over the top for Martial to get on the end of, this was missing for most of the game and Martial was receiving the ball with 2 players to beat each time.
Just re-watching the game again and it’s funny how many times Young boys got 2 or 3 players to him in the game
We should be playing two strikers upfront. In a partnership. There's four strikers in the club but we would rather use a target man and makeshift wingers. Total waste .
Exactly.
People question why Lukaku has put on weight - its bloody obvious that he has been asked to put more muscle on to improve his ability as a target man. Doing so has significantly impaired his ability to be the traditional fast moving forward that he is that prefers to make runs behind the defence rather than being stagnant in one position.
Sanchez, Martial, Rashford & Lukaku are all good strikers at running either behind the opposition (rashford & Lukaku) or directly at the opposition (martial & Sanchez) - none of that happens at our club. Doing so as wingers significantly impairs the direction a winger can go leading normally to passes back or crosses in to the box; especially when our main goal threat is a 'makeshift' target man in Lukaku.
How can you play two strikers up top when you have no right winger, further more if you were to play three at the back, you would be asking for more trouble, with brain farts from Bailly and Jones.
Width from the fullbacks is enough. Every modern attacking team uses their fullbacks like wingers nowadays. We don't have a RW or any wingers for that matter so don't use system which requires wing play like 4-3-3 /4-2-3-1. it's quite simple. It exposes that weakness further. The football has been total crap in those formations without the players that suit it. Our best performance came when Ibrahimovic was benched and we went 3 at the back against Chelsea with partnership of Rashford and Lingard if you remember.
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It will take Jose's sacking for people to accept Martial does have shit games for us.
Because we're playing low back line and we prefer playing long balls to Rom/Mata/Lingard (?!) with no one to win the 2nd ball or run behind and/or a slow side passing approach (Van Gaal it's you?!). To be effective with Martial/Sanchez upfront, we need some fluid creative attacking play where everyone knows what he has to do and try to do it with confidence...something our team lacks badly.
I thought that in his first season. The guy just looked such a lethal, composed finisher. I know he's done better so far this season but I still think his form under LVG was a lot better.
His end product was unusually bad, some stuff just didn't come off. Unlucky at times and you felt that his confidence is not fully there at others. His creative and build up play was good to see though. Hate to use a Mourinho term but the golabality of his performance was goo. His distractors will always focus on the bad on games like these of course, instead the true constructive thing about these games in Martial's carreer point is that he needs to experience them.
Hopefully he gets back in the goals on Saturday
Hopefully he gets back in the goals on Saturday
Needs to just make his decisions faster when he's on the ball. Recently, he seemed unsure whether to go wide or cut inside and ends up giving the defender too much time to recover.
Is it really that hard to say he had a bad performance? He did. It's not the end of the world. Having 2 in a row isn't either. It happens.
We have a couple of those, unfortunately.
Southampton 2:2 Man Utd
Not scoring for 2 games, he gets dropped. This is what you call Mourinho’s treatment, unfair!
He's coming back from an injury, Mourinho literally confirmed he's not ready to start games on the bounce yet.
Matic:; 90 + 90 + 90 + 90 + 90 + 90 +90 + 90 + 90 +90 + 90 + 90 +90 + 90 + 90 +90 + 90 + 90 +90 + 90 + 90 +90 + 90 + 90 +90 + 90 + 90 +90 + 90 + 90 +90 + 90 + 90 + infinity
Except for the opening few games yeah.
We carry no threat without Martial. Praying he’s fit for Arsenal.
Man Utd 2:2 Arsenal
Hope he isn't out for long. Whatever you may think of his performances, he's the only one of our players who is consistently scoring.
As soon as Martial went off our attacking threat dropped by about 90%.
I guess the main redeeming feature in his performance today is that it should,in theory,cement his role as our main forward because Lukaku once again did feck all.
I guess the main redeeming feature in his performance today is that it should,in theory,cement his role as our main forward because Lukaku once again did feck all.
Exactly this. Our best threat in front of goal. Worrying to see us without him right now.
The way he held the ball at times it reminded us how awful Lukaku is at that
Please be okay!
I thought he was doing really well. I enjoyed his performance especially when he was playing in the middle. It's such a shame.
One of about three players I though did well tonight. Shame about the injury.
To think the shit lord tried to sell him and buy Perisic. He'd have been out of a job long time ago.
He would be some player if he had Rashfords pace, I honestly think he lacks genuine pace to be a world class player!
Bagged another one and showed plenty of hunger for tracking back that really turns some on. Hopefully whatever he went off with was just a knock, although I imagine he'll miss the Fulham game at the very least.
Martial doesn't have pace? Since when?
He can be a world class player and will be without Rashford pace.
Martial can out pace any player from stand still position which is what you need to be world class.
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