Was not good at all today and still wasn't near our worst player on the pitch. Irrespective of the results, I think in a way that shows the problem in the side.
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Martial commands the attention of two defenders and puts fear into a defence
He's been very poor the last couple of games
Some of the excuses from his fan boys are laughable
Poor tonight, we are horribly coached though so him, Rashford and Lingard always have games like this for us as we don't attack as a well drilled unit, it's all just individual stuff.
Super. What good does that do us when he proceeds to pass it to one of those defenders?
Bad game. Decision making was snappy, everyone seemed to be playing nervously, snapping at their chances and trying to do it alone. Strange, that's usually where he comes up trumps.
Hard to blame him too much in such a piss poor overall performance. Was it just me or did the players seem a little edgy to anyone else?
Hard to blame him too much in such a piss poor overall performance. Was it just me or did the players seem a little edgy to anyone else?
I dont know - just repeated what I have been told!
He had so many one on one opportunities tonight with options galore.
You can't blame coaching for that at all.
He's below top class, simple as that.
I actually thought we played well in the first half and looked very relaxed.Negative : Everything he did tonight failed. Literally almost everything.
Positive: he didn’t stop trying and in fact just kept trying harder.
There are games where literally everything he does is clinically punishing.
You must keep this player in your team, he is in a league of his own with Pogba.
Positive: he didn’t stop trying and in fact just kept trying harder.
There are games where literally everything he does is clinically punishing.
You must keep this player in your team, he is in a league of his own with Pogba.
I think Martial is symptomatic of our problems at the moment. He is our best attacker, plenty of potential but he isn’t a top class player yet and not that close either. He could be one day but he has a lot of improving to do. At a great side he’s nothing more than a talented sub or back up but we need to look to him as our inspiration.
A little edgy?
They've all been shitting themselves for most of the last 6 years.
The players haven't got the required ability or mentality.
There wasn't options galore, more than once him and Rashford got the ball in good positions and there was no overlap or no runner to cut it back to, expecting him to cut in every game and smash it home is videogame stuff. I already said he was poor tonight but we are a horribly coached football side and I guarentee that when we get in a manager that knows how to coach attacking football we will see a lot more from the two young forwards getting pelters due to this turd of a manager.
Agree with what you’re saying, one thing he really needs to improve is when to use Luke Shaw, there were a few times when the best option was probably to slip it in to his path so he can drive a cross across the box. Also timing of runs and when to come in and when not to. When Rashford was free on the right when he skipped past that guy who got injured for me he should have been driving to that back post a lot quicker or do that and then cut across the 18 yarder to give Rashford options. Same has to be said for the few times Martial had opportunities and Lingard or Rashford made a poor run or didn’t give an option.
All of that is coaching and as soon as we replace Jose hopefully we’ll see the real potential of this team.
Trash tonight.
He was shit today as was the rest of the team.
Crikey. Clearly I was speaking in an entirely different context.
Horrible performance.
Agreed, Martial and Rashford have flaws without a doubt, but they are also badly coached young talents, there are many coaches that would really help both of them elevate their games, but as long as we are stuck in Mourinhoville they'll continue to be frustratingly inconcsistent and make the same mistakes as they aren't getting coached properly.
You mean those saying 'Martial FC are eating well tonight' when he plays well, even though everyone loves it when he does, as if thinking they're getting one over everyone else is all that they care about instead of sharing the joy? And they wonder why they earned a nickname.
Pretty much
. For some reason you can't say that Martial can be good and bad. He was great for several games in a row and is now having a dip. It's quite normal but because some have pegged him as certified world class in the making this plain fact messes up their brain.But you know it's all about coaching.Pretty much
When he has a bad game that is...
That was taking the piss out of the nick name... if you don't like these things blowing up in your face, dont make or use stupid labels.
Rashford and Lingard will have bad games because there both crap. Rashford at least tries but Lingard is dia.
Blowing up in who's face? You're still thinking it means something it doesn't. It's taking the piss out of idiots that can't handle any criticism of him and expected him to play without putting effort in, and always has been.
Once again, everyone wants him to do well. It's not blowing up in anyone's face when he does ffs. Just idiotic thinking. Truly dumb.
Much like Rashford it wasn't a good performance from him, but they're not going to be consistent at a young age.
I'd rather see martial and Rashford play poorly with the hope they'll improve as opposed to seeing Lukaku and Sanchez struggle with little to no hope of improvement.
I'd rather see martial and Rashford play poorly with the hope they'll improve as opposed to seeing Lukaku and Sanchez struggle with little to no hope of improvement.
Two bad games in a row now
I'm just saying that you're giving out about people using the term Martial FC as a source of comedy. People went around labelling people as Martial FC because they had the nerve to say he had been mistreated, and was our best player on the left.
Now you're bringing it all up again in this weird tit for tat. I personally feel that he's our best attacking player and one of our most important players. But, I like many have stated that tonight, he had a bad game. That's not really up for debate. So why are you still banging on about it and then trying to take some kind of high ground?
On another note, he needs to start running at players more again.
It'd be long forgotten if they didn't still have no grasp of what was going on. They just live up to it and constantly prove people right. breakout mentioned how they disappear and I thought it was humorous, despite them trying to to rub something in that they don't need to when he plays well.
Is this even true? As far as I'm aware Martial FC was used for people that were convinced that Martial had never had a bad game and it was the manager, left back, midfield's fault that he was shite. Also posters that claimed that he would be world class already if it wasn't for the manager.
The only time I used Martial FC was to describe a non United poster that constantly deflected and defended in this thread and it made no sense other than they really loved Martial.
I could not catch all of the game as I was working, but I just enjoy the back and forth between Martial FC and anti Martial FC crowds. You both are so much more similar to one another than you think.
I don’t think anyone who is reasonable believes that Martial is world class, or that he just needs to start and he will always score or assist. He is the best option on the left wing, that’s it. His game definitely still needs so much work, but one thing that I have no sympathy for him on is his poor short passing, because while the team as a whole is usually struggling when he is, he could really turn slowly into a player that can drag them to a win by improving that small aspect of his game. He draws so much attention on his own, but if he can’t even connect short passes, similar to his combination with Pogba for his goal against Newcastle, the attention he draws becomes useless.
What I appreciate is that even in the bad games, Mourinho is sticking with him and Martia’s effort is still on the high end.
I don’t think anyone who is reasonable believes that Martial is world class, or that he just needs to start and he will always score or assist. He is the best option on the left wing, that’s it. His game definitely still needs so much work, but one thing that I have no sympathy for him on is his poor short passing, because while the team as a whole is usually struggling when he is, he could really turn slowly into a player that can drag them to a win by improving that small aspect of his game. He draws so much attention on his own, but if he can’t even connect short passes, similar to his combination with Pogba for his goal against Newcastle, the attention he draws becomes useless.
What I appreciate is that even in the bad games, Mourinho is sticking with him and Martia’s effort is still on the high end.
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It’s weird because seems like there are many of them in the thread, may it be that person was just saying something for the sake of it when it’s clear it’s not true.
Pretty much the same level of performance for a couple of months now. Some good instances here, a couple of goals there. The one commendable thing is that he's working a lot harder for the team now, even if he did not have a good night. Which definitely was not happening before.
For all this talk about how much he has progressed and now his work rate has now meant Mourinho can trust him - I honestly think goals aside he’s in wretched form and is actually a worse player than he was at 19. He looks like a broken man in terms of general play at times, his bottom level is very poor at the moment. Lots of sloppy touches which you wouldn’t associate with him and a general lack of dynamism when running at players.
Post Jose I sincerely hope he regains his mojo outside of just being a clinical goal threat.
Post Jose I sincerely hope he regains his mojo outside of just being a clinical goal threat.
Piss poor performance from him last time. I'm more worried why Jose is not subbing him after that performance. Is he becoming our new undroppable Matic?
I'm more worried about fans on Redcafe moving the goal posts though.
So when Martial plays well, it's "despite of Mourinho", the boy made it all on his own. But when he plays badly, it's because of the coaching? Let's just keep things consistent.
He is poor at using the overlap, he really has to improve on that.
This thread can surely be locked. It’s become more of a pathetic back-and-forth between grown men about whether to support a player or not than an actual productive discussion about the player.
Martial was poor tonight, he was also very good in other games, let it be just actually scoring goals, which is something we have been lacking. He was dropped quickly enough in the past, let him play through it a bit. It’s not as if his potential replacements are setting the world on fire.
Martial was poor tonight, he was also very good in other games, let it be just actually scoring goals, which is something we have been lacking. He was dropped quickly enough in the past, let him play through it a bit. It’s not as if his potential replacements are setting the world on fire.
Martial has been in great form lately, so hopefully this was just a blip. It was, however, a terrible game from him. What strikes me is that every time he faces a fullback as fast or faster than him, he can get nothing done. The weird thing is that he doesn't even seem to be that reliant on speed compared to most wingers. It baffles my mind. It might have to do with his playing style being so one dimensional. He usually carries the ball at an angle towards goal at a steady pace, then tries to dribble past or accelerate past his opponent on the outside or inside. He really has to mix it up a bit more; yesterday, he also stopped every run he made half way through. Truly baffling.
Martial strikes me as one of those players who needs to play in an attacking team. He’s best when there’s lots happening around him, he’s not like Hazard who can just get the ball and make something happen anywhere on the pitch. When Pogba drifts into his area and Shaw overlaps he starts to get the space and options he needs. If those two aren’t there, or aren’t playing well, he’s not got much else to offer.
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