Pretty much. And the answer would be whichever of Mkhi/Mata is shunted to the bench in favor of playing Martial/Rashford together. If you're saying that player isn't good enough to provide attacking impetus off the bench, then why is he good enough to start over someone like Martial or Rashford?
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Pretty much. And the answer would be whichever of Mkhi/Mata is shunted to the bench in favor of playing Martial/Rashford together. If you're saying that player isn't good enough to provide attacking impetus off the bench, then why is he good enough to start over someone like Martial or Rashford?
Yes I do. Why?
So I should judge him as a 'talent' and ignore what I see on the pitch when he plays?
I don't think I've ever seen anyone tie himself in knots like you have in this thread. I'm very impressed.Yes, he has potential. So does Rashford. On the other hand, our manager is one of the most successful of all time and proven.
We should bench Lukaku too, then we'd have an even stronger bench!
Anyone defending Mourinho in this situation clearly isn’t bothered about having a world class individual potential talent in their team. I’ll take that over hard work and defensive ability every time.
Look if you're not up for a nice conversation but this petty posts don't reply anymore.
As with everything, we should just apply the Fergie test - what would Fergie do with such an outstanding attacking talent?
He'd play him every fecking game, of course.
He'd play him every fecking game, of course.
The situation of the game made it difficult to put another forward on. If we were comfortable, I'm sure he would've come on. Complaining about the team after a good away win? I don't get it. He'll get plenty of playing time in the next few weeks.
I don't get this logic. The reason people want Martial to play is because they believe we play better with him in the team than without. We want him to play to improve our performances and so increase our chances of winning. How is that not caring about the club? Because people don't agree with Mourinho?
Not really. Pogba say hi.
It must be good for him to know that he's good enough to be brought on when we're comfortable, but not when we're struggling.
Green smileys don't mask your terrible standard of posting.So I should judge him as a 'talent' and ignore what I see on the pitch when he plays?
I didn't tell you how to judge him. I was telling you why people give a shit about him. Which shouldn't need to be said given it's so bloody obvious.
First comprehend the post. Then reply. I really don't know how you got promoted. Shit on a stick stuff from you.
Yes, and no one is denying any of that. Are you allowed to care about only one or two people at the club? Is there a ceiling in stuff like that? People who support the club care about Rashford. They care about Jose. And they care about Martial. None of that should bemuse you. So why does it?
This is another nonsense that started(following the "workrate and running around are more important than skills and talent" arguments )with Martial being kept on the bench despite delivering when he's played.
Some people would make up anything and I mean anything to avoid admitting the cold hard truth which is Jose simply mismanaging Martial since he's come to this club.
Unless he decided to sell him.
Pogba was neither an attacking player, nor had he proven himself to the level of Martial. Bizarre comparison.
That I understand. What I don't understand are posts like Jose will leave soon anyway.
Tbh don't know what that last sentence even means. Nobody wants him to leave, that's the point.
If Rashford had played 122 minutes in 6 games while playing on such a high level, yes, I think there would be many complaints. I know, I would complain if we have a reverse scenario.
Thankfully he didn't ever actually do that.
Why does it matter? Is there any guarantee the better player will perform often enough off the bench when lesser players are given more minutes?
You look at Chelsea's bench. That's like saying Bathshuyai should start instead of Morata because otherwise bench would be light.
He starts against Moscow
Why does it matter if he wasn't an attacking player. He was a huge talent too.
We have been screaming for midfielder for ages while we got a young talent in Pogba but SAF decided to return Scholes from retirement. I won't remind you of the famous Blackburn match.
Hypocrisy is the word.
And only a moron of a manager would ever think like that.
And I'm sure Jose isn't keeping Martial on the bench because he thinks he'll lack attacking threats coming from the bench. Martial is being benched for entirely different reasons alreasy brought in this threads.
Because the context of a lot of today's discussion is that Mourinho is blatantly preferring one attacker over another due to his "phenomenal" defensive contribution. If you still see a parallel between this situation and Pogba's, I really can't help you.
Because the context of a lot of today's discussion is that Mourinho is blatantly preferring one attacker over another due to his "phenomenal" defensive contribution. If you still see a parallel between this situation and Pogba's, I really can't help you.
If the reverse happened with Rashford, I can't imagine how much furor it would generate...especially in the media. Every Paul Merson-esque idiot on television would be screaming about it at every given opportunity.
Nothing could EVER mask yours.
My god...
From the guy who said don't judge him as a player, judge him as a talent. Self awareness isn't one of your strong points, huh?
For someone who likes to talk about reading, understanding, and comprehension, do me a favour and try reading the f*cking thread. A poster said they'd rather keep Martial than our manager. Hence my posts. How in the name of christ did you get promoted?
You don't remember the meltdown during the Madrid game then. Revise it. Some were saying he should be loaned for 2 years till Jose is sacked then return.
And saying the majority of people's opinions on both players I found that will hardly happen if the situation is reversed IMHO. Martial is the only player who you see his thread in such a mess each time he doesn't play.
Guys I don't think starting him today would have helped matters. He would have also have found the going difficult. Sure he would have got a start but it would not got the best out of him.
We are a bit static in modified without Pogba and Miki and Mata were abysmal today, losing possession at every opportunity. Also, we were playing Young at lb and he is 32 years old and would have done nothing to support Martial.
We had also set ourselves to be far too defensive. I don't think today was the right environment for him. I really like Martial but he is still young and I would not have liked to see him on the pitch today when were only interested in hitting it long.
It is hard to tell whether he is being left out because Mourinho is saving him for matches where the environment is right and is being selective to try to get the best out of him OR whether Mourinho simply prefers Rashford over him. I think it is the former but we will get a clearer idea as the season progresses.
We are a bit static in modified without Pogba and Miki and Mata were abysmal today, losing possession at every opportunity. Also, we were playing Young at lb and he is 32 years old and would have done nothing to support Martial.
We had also set ourselves to be far too defensive. I don't think today was the right environment for him. I really like Martial but he is still young and I would not have liked to see him on the pitch today when were only interested in hitting it long.
It is hard to tell whether he is being left out because Mourinho is saving him for matches where the environment is right and is being selective to try to get the best out of him OR whether Mourinho simply prefers Rashford over him. I think it is the former but we will get a clearer idea as the season progresses.
He sold Beckham and Stam in their prime.
Comparison is more than apt. Sorry
We're talking about this forum not the media!
Martial fans are an aggressive bunch. Better leave.
They were both shite every time they got the chance for Chelsea. It's not like he had a crystal ball.Out of Mourinhos hands
It's not much of a fight if the manager doesn't have any long term plans for you.
Ferguson got slaughtered for how he handled a young and immature Pogba, but apperantly Lukaku and De Bruyne, easily two of the best players in the Premier League, were out of his hands and not a result of his style. Good one.
I never said that. I said he was an exceptional talent. I didn't tell you how to judge him. Do you need to be told these things too?
I read the "f*cking" thread. You, on the other hand, didn't read or understand posts you were quoting so well done on that.
Ooh using my line back on me. What a comeback from the newbie.
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