People really are not happy that we have two very good young striker-cum-wingers are they?
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You're only allowed to like one and hate the other. And woe betide anyone who tries to discuss their relative strengths and weaknesses.
I actually wanna know what speed Martial was doing. In the build up to his goal he properly breaks in to a full effort sprint for a bit and he cruises past Pogba who isn't slow even when traveling with the ball. Not often you really see Martial stretch his legs but he was shifting. There was another one around the 86th minute.
I'm sure out of the current crop he still holds the fastest top end followed by Rashford.
Martial fastest recorded speed over 5 secs is 35.4kmph
Rashford fastest recorded speed over3 secs is 35.2 kmph
Usain Bolt over 9.83 secs average speed is 37.8 kmph
I'm sure out of the current crop he still holds the fastest top end followed by Rashford.
Martial fastest recorded speed over 5 secs is 35.4kmph
Rashford fastest recorded speed over3 secs is 35.2 kmph
Usain Bolt over 9.83 secs average speed is 37.8 kmph
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Are we now going to imply that all the goals Martial has scored for us have been in the counter attack against tired defences now? Or just the two he scored this season?
I don't see the point of starting Rashers ahead of him at the moment like everyone keeps saying, one of these days we won't be a goal up atr 75 mins. Better start with what works. I don't buy this Rashford running them ragged theory that people have invented to justify him starting ahead of Martial, why don't we start Martial and let him try the running them ragged thingy...maybe Rashford will come off the bench and suddenly know how to finish as the keeper might be tired?
Christ. Stop being so melodramatic.
Personally, I'm not with this Martial vs Rashford thing. I don't see why they can't both play. Mata has had less of an impact than either.
Martial can't play on the right. Can Rashford? Has he been tried there?
Because then who we gon bring on against tired legs to stretch them on the counter, Bro?
So what is the context of such a ridiculous assertion that Martial isn't 'intelligent enough' to perform against organised defences? You have no basis at all.
Only half watched the opening two games and then the highlights of them, so can't say for sure, but I've always felt Mata being there with his movement and little passes helps the likes of Mkhitaryan and Pogba a lot. I'll try to watch the games fully but for right now, it's kind of a case of don't mess what doesn't need to be after two 4-0 wins, with the main exception is playing Martial after his form in the opening 2 games. Would pushing Rashford out to the right and having martial left make us too reliant on having counters rather then getting more control with Mata?
More than enough times.
How about the whole of last season? He has other strengths that are played up to when he's allowed to be central.
Rashford played fine there v City in pre-season
You added two plus two and got ten.
And how did Rashford fare against these organised defences he's so intelligent at breaking down last season?
It was a joke infused with sarcasm, playing on the argument that Martial only does well because he comes on against tired legs. I used gangsta speak to make it more obvious. It didn't come across as a joke, did it? Okay....
Rashford has better delivery (albeit on his right foot) and is a better passer when played out wide.
I was criticising that part of both Rashford and Martial's game for most of last season. Neither is great at making runs into the box from the wing. But I also said, multiple times, Lukaku's movement will make it a little easier for them.
I feel like I'm the only one who likes both Martial and Rashford, and is willing to discuss their good and bad points. Neither player is perfect, but beating down one to raise the other is idiotic.
In terms of systems and styles of play, it's obvious why Mourinho prefers Rashford on the left at the moment.
In terms of systems and styles of play, it's obvious why Mourinho prefers Rashford on the left at the moment.
Underwear and Beats sell only if you are a superstar, superstar you are when 50000+ cheer at you week in week out, not when they debate you vs Rashford for a wide start. I stick by my post, it's high time to let the playing do all the talking.
I sensed as such, but I thought I'd provide an answer for the 'tired legs' brigade anyway. Also turned Jesse all Spanish as a joke.
I've been saying both should play. Mata is the one to miss out for me.
Spoil sport
Well that was a weird post, as I feel the one thing Martial has over Rashford is intelligence. Martial was not very good last season as a starter or as a sub for some reason, same way he was great last 2 seasons either as a starter or sub. I don't know where intelligence with organised defences come into it.
The first mention of Rashford in this thread was actually from Damien.
Ban him!
You think you're the only one on the entire forum? Seriously?
I think it's assertions like last season specifically proved Martial can't play against an organised defence that's hard to fathom. No matter who he played against his performances were below par.
And at the same time you say you're not biased?
Martial's supposed entire season where he was awful.
The timing of his runs from the wing into the box is not very good. That's not hard to fathom at all. How can you possibly think it is? Compare him to Mata as an example of a player who can do it brilliantly.
Where did we even discuss this? Is that what you mean when you say he can't play against an organised defence?
And at the same time you say you're not biased?
Martial's supposed entire season where he was awful.
Erm, what? I've called him "amazing", and want him to be first choice. But certain aspects of his game are not very good. So, to get the best out of him, I want a tweak to the system.
His end product when he's asked to stay wide is not great. Once he has the freedom to play more centrally, he comes alive.
His ability to get into the box from a wide starting position is not the best, particularly when he's up against a fullback who knows what he's going to do. He's still too easy to shutdown when he's asked to keep the width.
If he had Shaw behind him, I think he could have a renaissance. With Blind currently first choice, I can understand his designation as an impact sub.
I'd probably agree but there's a big gap between that and saying he can't perform against an organised defence.
I'm not going to couch every single post with ifs, buts and maybes. We'd might as well start talking about Bailly as a better goalscorer than Rashford, if that's the tack we're taking.
Martial did it 4 times over the whole league campaign last season. Those 4 instances don't negate the broader point. He could be doing it 15+ if he wasn't being asked to do it from out-wide. He simply doesn't have the nous for that against a backline that's holding its shape.
Someone like Mata is a genius at it. Martial isn't. There's no shame in that.
Someone also mentioned Rashford in another thread last year. Guess it was there fault?
Don't think the forum works like that.
@Damien I think the forum is broken
Grow up.
Someone already said that to me in another thread so you can't use it again
Another falsehood. It seems people would invent anything just to big up Rashford.
Rashford delivery is as shit as it gets. How many goals have we scored from his delivery?
Martial's passing especially in the final third is streets ahead.
That's why Rashford assisted a grand total of one goal while Martial assisted six goals despite playing fewer minutes in the league. I'm sure Martial wishes that he had Rashford's passing.
I agree that both will fare better playing with Lukaku than Zlatan.
Rashford is actually poor at setting up goals for others, something Martial is good at.
Lukaku might actually suffer a bit if Mourinho is expecting Rashford to provide him with assists.
Rashford is better at scoring than assisting others but the problem is that Martial is still a better scorer than him.
In reality, Rashford is a stronger, faster and slightly more technical version of Lingard and it's no coincidence that the two have workrate(especially tracking back) as an important asset which enables Mourinho select them over better players at times.
Martial is simply superior at almost everything.
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