He finishing and his composure is amazing for his age.
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And at the same time you say you're not biased?
Martial's supposed entire season where he was awful.
Dang he is my favorite player to watch right now.
In a competitive game of football, people tire after 60mins. It's normal.you think swansea got ran ragged?
I'm not arguing for Martial to not start, I'm just saying that him being introduced at key stages of both games by Mourinho so far has had an effect in his performance. It has to. He might do as well against an entirely fresh set of opposition defenders, but it remains to be seen. We might find out in our next fixture and hopefully he does.
As I said in the other thread, don't think he would have done as well had he started. It's no coincidence that literally the whole team started performing much better and looked more comfortable once Swansea moved to a back 4. (Even players who started, who would have been more tired than Martial ala Pogba, Mkhi etc.) There was no space in the middle of the pitch in the first half as they had 5 defenders, Martial would have struggled considering he always cuts in and his movement behind the defence is poor.
It was a great cameo from him and his goal was sublime, but I think people are underestimating the flow of the game when he was brought on.
I'd be happy with either him or Rashford starting, but they both have their strengths and weaknesses and should be used according to the demand of the specific game. They're both also very good options off the bench due to their speed and directness.
It was a great cameo from him and his goal was sublime, but I think people are underestimating the flow of the game when he was brought on.
I'd be happy with either him or Rashford starting, but they both have their strengths and weaknesses and should be used according to the demand of the specific game. They're both also very good options off the bench due to their speed and directness.
But you can only play the hand you're dealt. Its not his fault he isn't starting. He was given a chance and he has grabbed it so far with both his fecking hands.
I think he's the better technician when compared to Rashford. Would like to see him start at home against Leicester as a reward; could give Simpson a horrid time on the wing.
Based on Mourinho's comments it doesn't seem like he'll get the start in the Prem soon which is fine if his attitude and professional level has improved. That might be the biggest positive sign so far this season, if Martial's become more settled with knowing he'll be a rotation option at times. Can definitely see him getting the start over Rashford in CL games where we won't need a grafter on the wing.
Deserves to start against Leicester but I know he won't. Doesn't run around enough or something...
He should start next game
Even after Martial got over the number issue shortly after this guy seems so focused on it, he forgot that Martial scored 2 goals in around 35 mins of playing time, and the videos of the teams that shows good spirit and understanding between the guys, and focused on a year old story, stupid post.
Wonder if Jose is limiting Martial's game time so Barca don't remember how good he is and table a ridiculous offer 
Would be interesting if get's some starts after the window closes
Would be interesting if get's some starts after the window closes
And at the same time you say you're not biased?
Martial's supposed entire season where he was awful.
Wow, terrible season eh? He'll be incredible.
You know we are not Stoke or Leicester(without offence) and we can play our own players whenever we please without caring what Barca remember on have in mind?Wonder if Jose is limiting Martial's game time so Barca don't remember how good he is and table a ridiculous offer
Would be interesting if get's some starts after the window closes
If so that's some ridiculous theory you have there
Nice to hear what Jose thinks of Martial, such a great talent and genuinely loves the club
Yeah, we are one of very few teams that isn't really threatened by Barca in regards to wages willing to pay. In a lot of cases when Barca goes for a player, it would break the players current wage structure to keep him. Now, we will always be susceptible to Spanish, Portuguese, and South American's chasing their desires there but wages will never be a problem.You know we are not Stoke or Leicester(without offence) and we can play our own players whenever we please without caring what Barca remember on have in mind?
If so that's some ridiculous theory you have there
Nice to hear what Jose thinks of Martial, such a great talent and genuinely loves the club
I have no idea who Martial liked as a kid growing up, so maybe he has some Cristiano Ronaldo type dream of playing for one of the two. We've lost one player we didn't want to, to Real in Ronaldo, in an era we were paying back significant debt and not making statements with our wallet. We almost lost another, who would have been taken a pay-cut and his reasoning was primarily due to having a famous significant other who's career is based in Madrid, and the player would be returning to his hometown.
With Martial, I'm really glad he is playing well, and playing against subs is clearly helping him make a massive impact on a per-minute basis, as Rashford really runs that flank tired. But, I also think he would be a great starter. There is a massive middle-ground between he's excelling because he's playing against a tired D and he'd do just as well starting. I obviously, lean towards the latter. I hope he cracks the starting lineup soon, but I can understand the reluctance to change when everything is working so well. I really like the French-speaking contingent of this team (Lukaku, Pogba, Bailly), and it seems Martial is jelling with them.
I'm really glad there are positives so far this year, after a fair amount of negativity around him the last 10 months. The kid's talent is unreal. Him, Pogba, and Lukaku is a ridiculous combo of size, strength, and pace.
Because he doesn't work hard enough defensively for Jose to trust him from the start.
Mourinho wants workrate from the 3 behind Lukaku and until he does it as well as Rashford this is likely how it will be unless we switch to 4-3-3.
I think this is particularly true since leftback is our most vulnerable area and we need to protect Blind a bit.
Fans may want to see our best attacking team from the start, but my sense is that Jose is a pragmatist first. If there is enough threat in the team he will set up not to concede and build from there.
It doesn't. He's been here two years, and we've seen it. Many times.
Could have fooled me last season.
Where you fooled 2015-2016 season?
No, he was good. But I'm not arguing that he hasn't been good before, or that he won't be good in the future. Just that he more than likely reaps some benefits from being substituted on two thirds of the way though a game. I think that's a reasonable position to take.
People are still trying to asterisk his performances. Having an impact as a substitute isn't simple just because the opposing defense may be a bit fatigued or chasing the game. You still have to find your rhythm and your way into a game, which is obviously more difficult in a 20 minute apperance compared to a 60 or 70 minute one. There are pros and cons for either way. Ultimately, Martial has simply played very well, well enough to warrant starting some games, whether that's in the Premier or the Champions League.
Martial didn't have a terrible season last year. He just didn't have a good one by his own standards. Played pretty well in almost every game he played after Xmas but by that stage Jose had gone off him so it wasn't really rewarded by a run in the team. Jose sounds a bit more positive about him now so hopefully his good start means he gets plenty of games and people can just relax and enjoy it
I agree. Pros and cons to each position. Either way, it's a good problem to have (Rashford or Martial starting).
Martial is all smiles
Deschamps called Coman and Thauvin but not Martial
Deschamps is a fool at the best of times.
Martial had a poor season last year but he was still better than Coman.
Martial had a poor season last year but he was still better than Coman.
I don't think Deschamps rates him. Look at his national team appearances. Had an average half against Albania in the second game of the Euros, then was left on the bench for the rest of the tournament until 110 minutes had passed in the final. Not been called up since October last year which given his performances is understandable but this season he's had a better start than Coman and Giroud and they're opted over him.Deschamps called Coman and Thauvin but not Martial
Thauvin I can understand to an extent as due to Marseille playing in Europa qualifying he's played way more games than the others:
His output has been average though considering the opposition he's faced.
Good for us. The less players playing in the internationals the less injuries we get. I just hope he isn't disappointed.
Deschamps called Coman and Thauvin but not Martial
Good job Didier. Now we don't have to worry about him getting injured.
I don't think Deschamps rates him. Look at his national team appearances. Had an average half against Albania in the second game of the Euros, then was left on the bench for the rest of the tournament until 110 minutes had passed in the final. Not been called up since October last year which given his performances is understandable but this season he's had a better start than Coman and Giroud and they're opted over him.
Thauvin I can understand to an extent as due to Marseille playing in Europa qualifying he's played way more games than the others:
His output has been average though considering the opposition he's faced.
Lol so he has better output than everybody on this list other than Fekir in far less playing time.
Could it be that Deschamps just really doesn't rate him? Even at the Euros, he was coming off the back of his best ever season and was still a bit part bench player at the Euros. He was also almost never played again in the tournament after his bad performance iirc.
Tbf they talent that have in his position makes it a tough one to get him in there. I just posted similar in the France national team thread. He's got Dembele and Lexmark or the left and Mbappe up top. And that's not taking into account Deschamps love of Giroud.
His best chance of nailing a spot in that team is in a 4231 with Griezmann playing as the 10.
Mbappe
Martial Griezmann Dembele
Pogba Kante
Far too attack minded though and I don't think Deschamps would ever try anything like that.
I don't think it's the case about Deschamps' (dis)liking on Martial.
Let's go briefly about the EURO again. France often for width was limited. Evra & Sagna provided good width but their age means it's risky for France against counter attack, which means France double pivot were supposed to be more defensive minded. And both fullbacks were past their best so their offensive quality ain't that great. This meant France needs also need some width from their attacker. Giroud was France target. That area behind Giroud was Griezmann best position as second forward. That area is too crowded as Payet already moved in from time to time already. Having somebody like Martial to cut in just make the situation worse. Sissoko despite poor end product offered that balance. Coman was more natural to the winger role so also being preferred.
Nowadays, thing has changed quite a bit, but there certain thing is still the same. Griezmann should be the main man in second forward position. Whoever play as the forward in front of Griezmann, means they need wingers than wing forward. For cases like MBappe who is likely a direct competition for Martil, the former has excellent movement on top on ball ability, which means MBappe even not being tailored to his best position can be more suitable for squad, supporting role. That's similar to Rashford. With Martial, it's all or nothing situation.
Also keep in mind, Dembele was left out who quite few viewed as superior talent to Martial, so it's not the end of earth if Martial missed out this time. I actually prefer it this way. The first international break is quite counter productive for clubs. Rather let players have break, and stay training at the clubs than risk injuries/losing form.
Disappointed for him, he deserves a shot after his start to the year. If he keeps playing like he has, and gets the inevitable starts as fixtures build up he'll be in the WC squad.
He is clearly disliked by Deschamps. How on earth can Coman get a call and not Martial? I can see that there is also Koscielny and Matuidi who haven't played a minute this season and they are called. Even in the European last year, he didn't play enough, I think he didn't start a game.
It would be great if he continues in the way he has started the season. IMO him and Rashford is our future attack and they will do it. I don't think he will start vs Leicester, as Mou will not change the lineup, but he will get in during the second half.
It would be great if he continues in the way he has started the season. IMO him and Rashford is our future attack and they will do it. I don't think he will start vs Leicester, as Mou will not change the lineup, but he will get in during the second half.
As others stated, I'm glad he isn't nominated for the upcoming international break. We need him fresh and continue his strong start to the season.
Yes he had bad 45 minutes against Albania in Euros, and after that he never play again in Euros, I think if he keeps up his good performance for us he will get called-up again though
I have a feeling he will eventually get back into the French national team before the world cup. If he keeps on performing and scoring can't see Deschamps ignoring him. He will get his chances. Just keep playing well and sky is his limit.
I think that if he doesn't start tommorow it's poor management from Mourinho. He has scored twice in 30 minutes of football and if that doesn't warrant a place in the starting line-up I don't know what does. I'm not saying Martial has to start every game because that depends on his form but the great thing is that no right back will be able to stop him and Rashford over 90 minutes regardless of who starts and it's a basically a like for like change. I think at the end of the day it's a great problem to have and I'm happy with how Martial has started the season.
He was never gonna get called up. Only a deluded person thought and hoped so.
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