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To this day, Martial has played best under this man so maybe we should analyse his method of handling young players. Poch said last season you must give young talents a different approach. If they are special talents, I think they should play week in week out.
Yep, lets play a system where poor play is rewarded and good play not so. That really encourages the squad who come in and perform.
Martial is getting minutes week in week out.
Don't see a problem
Martial is getting minutes week in week out.
Don't see a problem
strange considering he played the at Monaco and most of his short career but hey.Martial is poor out wide. He doesn't have the skillset required to be a winger. His main game is about getting into the box and scoring goals. LvG's system allowed that freedom because of our slow build-up through the middle; Mourinho's generally doesn't. I don't think the issue is man-management so much as the roles each coach defined for the left-wing position.
This is simply not true. This silly notion of Martial being only good for a bit then useless for the rest has just started recently after his 2 recent performances.I am saying this is a tactical choice, not favoring somebody.
He really is good for some munutes, then keeps quiet for most of the game, then has some bursts again etc etc.
That's Martial for now. Mou is using him in the best way he can.
Passing, creativity, crossing, tracking-back. He's a striker with a wide starting position. The setup determines how easy it is for him to spend time in the middle where he can actually do something.strange considering he played the at Monaco and most of his short career but hey.
By Skillset do you mean pace, skills, finishing, balance, composure? what are the skillsets required then?
Plenty wide players are tasked with getting into box and scoring goals.
Wow you people are incredible. This is actually a bit scary now.Let's reward the players who get to come on against players with tired legs who are already losing and have to force a goal rather than the ones that have put in excellent shifts and got us into that position.
Wow you people are incredible. This is actually a bit scary now.
Martial is poor out wide. He doesn't have the skillset required to be a winger. His main game is about getting into the box and scoring goals. LvG's system allowed that freedom because of our slow build-up through the middle; Mourinho's generally doesn't. I don't think the issue is man-management so much as the roles each coach defined for the left-wing position.
He should displace Rashford imo. Bit harsh on Marcus as he's been brilliant, and has only lacked the final output but Martial is on fire currently. The drive and determination is definitely there.
He's played less than a half of football and scored 2 and even got an assist or two as well.
Out of 8 goals scored 4 were Mkhi's assists but he should be benched. Okay.He should displace Mkhitaryan. Rashford should stay in the team. Still not convinced Mata does enough to be an untouchable.
I am going to post a similar comment to last last week.
Basically, I wasn't impressed with Martial last season, but when he got the goal, that was the most exciting point of the game.
He gets the ball and just runs towards the goal. He doesn't think about back/side passing - he thinks, "I need to score".
And to score with about 5-10 minutes of game time is impressive.
I love attackers who score goals and right now, I am loving Martial and his ruthlessness in front of goal.
With regards to the question: Martial must start. This will be a VERY long season, we'll be playing around 60 games and Martial will get plenty of game time. Be patient guys.
Out of 8 goals scored 4 were Mkhi's assists but he should be benched. Okay.
At the moment it's Rash and Mata who are under threat from Martial. Not Mkhi
Oh yeah, for sure. I expect us to use all of them fairly regularly according to the situation. Mata & Mikhi are better at breaking stubborn teams down for example, whilst Rash and Martial are more effective running at teams that are more open. So whilst we're using this approach of one wide runner and one clever playmaker on the wings, I'd let Martial take the lead on current form, and give Rash the chance to come on late and punish the oppositions tiredness.
Both have a tendency to hold onto it too long but Rashford moreso, so I think he'd be better served with the 'easier' late shift, especially as Martial's killer instinct is better at present.
I'm happy with the variety of our options tbf. We could ideally do with a really good Beckham-esque crosser to cover all the bases, but I've never been entirely convinced Persisic would be that missing piece. He seems more like a more mature version of what we already have.
He should displace Mkhitaryan. Rashford should stay in the team. Still not convinced Mata does enough to be an untouchable.
Rashford didn't get us into that position. He played one good pass against West Ham for the opener and made no tangiable impact vs Swansea. He's been quite wasteful with patches of very good stuff as well (mostly against WH). Let's reward players based on what they're actually doing on the pitch rather than pretending everything is amazing when we win and nothing must change.Let's reward the players who get to come on against players with tired legs who are already losing and have to force a goal rather than the ones that have put in excellent shifts and got us into that position.
Rashford's not been great so far imo. His composure and finishing are completely off and his productivity level is just unpredictable. On current form, Martial should get the nodRashford didn't get us into that position. He played one good pass against West Ham for the opener and made no tangiable impact vs Swansea. He's been quite wasteful with patches of very good stuff as well (mostly against WH). Let's reward players based on what they're actually doing on the pitch rather than pretending everything is amazing when we win and nothing must change.
Rashford didn't get us into that position. He played one good pass against West Ham for the opener and made no tangiable impact vs Swansea. He's been quite wasteful with patches of very good stuff as well (mostly against WH). Let's reward players based on what they're actually doing on the pitch rather than pretending everything is amazing when we win and nothing must change.
This topic has become toxic due to the simple fact some people are just stubborn. The length at which some are going to justify having Martial be some sort of second choice player behind clearly lesser players than him is a joke and only highlight how bizarre this thread has gotten.
A lot of silliness spew in this thread. Might as well just go ahead and say "I don't like Martial and would find any excuse to have him benched". Would save us all the hassle.
Because he is a better player.He should get Rashfords place imo as he simply plays better
Agreed with all of the above. Rashford was really handy coming on against tired defences last year so I don't think we'd be losing out if he was our supersub. I'd have liked us to get someone like Robertson myself. Perfectly suited to playing wingback, has a great left foot and is very energetic. Think we're better off getting our width and crosses from the fullbacks/wingbacks these days to allow the likes of Mata and Martial to fit into the team and wreak havoc in their own ways.
Exactly. There's actually a weirdly good balance from that. Mata & Mikhi can alternate creatively from one flank with Valencia providing cover, and Martial & Marcus can do the same on the other to provide directness. It's a good mix.
I'd rather coax Rashford into being a better crosser (which is in him) than buy a stop gap player that might hinder his & Martials progress. If there was a proto-Beckham option out there, cool, but there isn't, so it'd only be extraneous IMO.
Though I am admittedly basing this largely off two good games. The need for such a player may become more evident as the season goes on, but right now it doesn't seem crucial.
Martial doesn't need to miss a chance, he just has to misplace a pass and you'd see this place filled with comments claiming he should be sold by the end of the season if he keeps being useless.Rashford is fine as a supersub too. I don't think Rashford has been great so far(and is absolved of being displaced), even though he's showed moments here and there. He's missed some clear cut chances so far to start the season. If Martial missed that chance Rashford did, I think he would have seen far more criticism.
Anyways, I am loving Martial's confidence at the moment. Once he got the ball, I just knew he'd score it. Stark contrast to last season.
Hopefully starts vs Leicester. He's a better player than Rashford imo and I haven't seen anything to change my stance.
