Much better for the confidence than bouncing off the defenders and struggling to get in to the game which has happened a few time to him when he started. Its a long season Im sure he will get his chances. And for everyone saying he should start over Rashford, why? Rashford offers more than Martial in multiple areas that Martial doesn't and seems that Rashford gets the tactical side of things better than Martial does.
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Much better for the confidence than bouncing off the defenders and struggling to get in to the game which has happened a few time to him when he started. Its a long season Im sure he will get his chances. And for everyone saying he should start over Rashford, why? Rashford offers more than Martial in multiple areas that Martial doesn't and seems that Rashford gets the tactical side of things better than Martial does.
As was Rashford playing against the same past it Zabaletta. It's a luxury to have both Rashord and Martial as they are both brilliant talents but right now Martial is just a level above, especially in terms of his end product. Still I think Rashford does better work defensively and works harder than Martial so I can see why Mourinho picks him. It is a very close call between the two of them.
Realistically speaking, we cannot play these 4 players together as starters.
The reason underneath is simple: those 4 are our best attacking players, and if we start them all together then the manager doesn't have any meaningful firepower on the bench.
For mourinho who is known as an expert tactician, this is most certainly a no go: he needs options on the bench in every department so that to react to the way the match goes.
That said, we definitely need 1 (just one) additional pacey attacking player in the squad, and then obviously the above mentioned formation becomes a possibility - but there needs to be a transfer first, someone good needs to be purchased.
To add to that: what I mean is not that Martial must be on the bench unless another attacker is bought, but rather that someone from the aforementioned front four must be on the bench (and not Lukaku from tactics perspective, so it's mostly the trio of Martial, Rashford and Miki for two spots in the squad)
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Apart from someone who outscored all of them last season?
Then there's always Herrera to add invention, Fellaini to add mayhem and Lingard to add... something?
He is pure class. But I think his tendency is to control the ball and move it around. Bit like how Arsenal play. Think Mourinho doesn't care about control, possession or beautiful play. Any sort of goal, even if it is scrappy, will do.
Think Mourinho currently wants his winger to just attack and try to get past players and put crosses in. He does not care if his winger loses possession while doing this. Martial is more measured in his approach. I actually like this natural game very much and I think if he has to stay under Mourinho at Manchester United then he will have to the all action type of player which is not his natural game.
Yesterday, he played just the way Mourinho wanted him to.
I feel that as a player, his ball control and ability to move with the ball is far superior to Rashford. However, Rashford ball control is also good enough and he offers the raw pace and high energy attacking outlet which Mourinho wants. Think that is the reason why we will continue to see Rashford (who is also playing quite well) in the starting lineup. Just my thoughts.
Think Mourinho currently wants his winger to just attack and try to get past players and put crosses in. He does not care if his winger loses possession while doing this. Martial is more measured in his approach. I actually like this natural game very much and I think if he has to stay under Mourinho at Manchester United then he will have to the all action type of player which is not his natural game.
Yesterday, he played just the way Mourinho wanted him to.
I feel that as a player, his ball control and ability to move with the ball is far superior to Rashford. However, Rashford ball control is also good enough and he offers the raw pace and high energy attacking outlet which Mourinho wants. Think that is the reason why we will continue to see Rashford (who is also playing quite well) in the starting lineup. Just my thoughts.
Yeah he did, he scored from that position too in fact. He will need to work on his crossing a tad though.
I really hope we don't buy another winger and set him back. The energy of Rashford, Martial and Lukaku has been contagious throughout the team.
Yesterday he looked willing to take the defender every time he had the ball. Same with Rashford.
I genuinely think that Martial is a way better player (especially in the left wing position) so no idea why Mourinho is favoring Rashford. Especially considering that Rashford can play equally well on the other wing, and a front three of Lukaku, Martial and Rashford would have insane pace.
Martial instead of Mata cos based on this performance he deserved his starting spot...
Mata is a very good option to have from the bench, and Fellaini can do a good job when we go all long. Then there are Lingard and Pereira too, or Herrera getting Pogba's position and Pogba slotting in number 10. Plenty of options even if we start our three best attackers together (which we should). I mean, which manager doesn't start all his best attacking players together in order to have an option from the bench? That would make no sense.
What i would do too
Despite being a Martial fan I maintain that Mata is quite deserving of a starting spot. Especially in games where the opposition is packing a tight defence. His movement off the ball is great, he ghosts into the box and creates chaos. He was also our most clinical player last season till his injury.
I don't think we have a strongest front 4. Oace is not everything. It will depend on the occasion. We won't always have a front 4 either, we'll play 4-3-3 in many games I'd wager.
Which is a large part of the reason why I don't want us to buy Perisic. I don't see Martial getting games in that case. We have a big enough squad.
Well I do believe that Mkhitarian and Mata are way too simular... And this year we do have a more creative middle when Matic and Pogba are in the same team so Im really looking forward to see how a line up that will include Matic-Pogba-Mkhitarian with wingers like Rashford and Martial and Lukaku upfront will play.... I guess the chances will be one after another
I also am of the opinion that Martial is more technically gifted than Rashford. But I feel Rashford's natural game is what Mourinho appreciates more. I actually like to see both playing together in the same team. I loved the initial arrangement of Van Gaal where both Rashford and Martial were playing together and were developing an excellent understanding with each other. Mourinho however sees Rashford as a winger so it is mostly one over the other.
Yes, me too. I think getting Perisic will really affect Martial's game time. Also, I don't know how good Perisic is and whether getting him is worth disturbing the progress Martial is making. Like, having Martial in good form, similar to what he showed in his first year could be great for our team.
I don't think he 'sees Rashford as a winger'. If he did, he would have signed another striker, as he would only have one in the squad. I think he sees him as able to play wide, but he is first choice understudy to Lukaku, as he was for Zlatan.
Modern forwards are becoming more and more flexible, and 'able to play across the front' is applicable to both Martial and Rashford. Even Lukaku was played on the right by Martinez while he was trying to develop his game.
Why is everybody puttinh Martial in direct conflict with Marcus? Surely Mata would be the odd man out. He should be confronting Mkhi for the spot, no?
Of all the front four, he was the "less good".
Of all the front four, he was the "less good".
I'm not assuming he would have been rubbish at all. I personally just feel that Martial is better off playing closer to the opposition's goal for 30 minutes than he is playing 90 at wingback. I see that as protecting Martial. He did well when he came on, made an impact, & bagged himself a goal & an assist. That will have been noticed in France for instance, in a World Cup year. On the form of the last 12 months, he's unlikely to start for France... but if he can get a reputation for making an impact off the bench, then he's a real asset. He needs to build up his confidence again, and if he can do that by being a game-changer off the bench against tired players... I see that as one route towards him fulfilling his potential. Not the only route, but one. In my opinion Martial is a major talent, but a character than needs to be carefully managed. A heavy defeat against Real Madrid was a genuine possibility, which our choice of formation impeded the possibility of...
That's just annoying to watch. We're in one of our worst periods in decades (last 3 years) and that is one of our most exciting prospects. Jose seriously needs to get a grip of the situation because it's sad to see.
God he's tedious. I'd like him 10x more if he improved his body language and personality.
It's quite clearly an in joke and they all know he doesn't smile. They've said it before in interviews, some people just don't show emotion.
It's like he's still sulking about not being our starting CF. As a second striker I think he's more polished than Rashford - his first touch and composure in the finish for the goal was streets ahead of Rashfords current end product. But I think Rashford will be a better player at his peak with more unpredictability and shooting such as when he hit the post.
At the end of the day José must see more potential in Rashford in training and wants to give him more game time than Martial who is a similar player. But Martial will have a part to play on the left and I think he will fill in for Lukaku at times when we play twice a week.
At the end of the day José must see more potential in Rashford in training and wants to give him more game time than Martial who is a similar player. But Martial will have a part to play on the left and I think he will fill in for Lukaku at times when we play twice a week.
Shows great team spirit among the boys how easily they take the mick of each other, seems a very tight group. Martial should not be on the bench though, Jose should ease some of his strict attitude rules. You don't get a talent like Martial often.What an odd obsession you have
Martial is the new Kagawa
Someone had to say it
Someone had to say it
Would love to see Martial play as a second striker just off of Lukaku.
Something like that.
Lukaku
Mkhi - Martial - Mata
Pogba - Matic
Mkhi - Martial - Mata
Pogba - Matic
Something like that.
What exactly do they have in common?
Nobody had to say it.
Both Japanese.
You are relentless.
Rashford has outperformed Martial for literally 6 months now, I love them both but Rashford is better.
Think this is relevant here. Too much is being made about him not smiling.
Imo, Rashford also had a poor season.
Very debatable.
Imo, Rashford also had a poor season.
Martial gives you one half-decent dribble per 90 minutes. Rashford is better at everything else as things stand.
Rashford had a really poor spell last season but eventually came up with the goods, he's younger, more consistent, and the recent past has proven that. Once Martial can consistently play well, I'll admit he's better, until then, we can just work with what we have, the proof are in the vods, go and take a look.
Don't think Rashford is a better finisher, don't think he's a better dribbler don't think his decision making is better.
That said, I think it would be silly getting into a debate about the two as they're very different kind of attackers imo.
If you think Martial had better decision making than Rashford you quite obviously event watched this team, maybe you thought this was a different forum maybe?
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