[arthurka]

I suspect he's gone if we can get Perisic or another. Martial looked pissed off when he scored.

He always looks like that after scoring... Nothing new.. Martial must mean sulky in French..

What I don't like here is that if Martial is good Rashord is not.. That Isn't remotely true both had a great game . Even Lukaku commented on Rashford after the game. Assisted and hit the post and ran Zaba ragged, when Martial came on he could bearly move.

I think or I at least hope both of them reach their full potential here..

 

[Dobbs]

I'm a big fan but I really don't understand the lack of celebration. He probably is a complicated little character.

However that's no reason to drop one of our most talented players. Get him in the team José.

 

[E-mal]

He wants to play, he knows he is good enough to play in the team but the manager has other ideas.
PPersonally hope he stays as any club that gets him this season will definitely be getting a bargain.

 

[Mr PG]

I'm always seething whenever I see Martial is sat in the bench. He won't improve by seating on the bench and is Potentially a world beater for us.

 

[Yagami]

Another in the long list of chances Mourinho's afforded Martial that he's taken. Hopefully this time José just starts him next game and, even if he doesn't do as well, give him a run of games regardless. He's good enough to deserve that luxury and playing him into form will help us so much.

 

[Mr Smith]

He always looks like that after scoring... Nothing new.. Martial must mean sulky in French..

What I don't like here is that if Martial is good Rashord is not.. That Isn't remotely true both had a great game . Even Lukaku commented on Rashford after the game. Assisted and hit the post and ran Zaba ragged, when Martial came on he could bearly move.

I think or I at least hope both of them reach their full potential here..

I don't think anyone said this did they? Personally I want them playing together, they're both the future of our club. However its impossible to not draw comparisons as they will in all likelihood be fighting for minutes this season.

 

[BluesJr]

I don't think anyone said this did they? Personally I want them playing together, they're both the future of our club. However its impossible to not draw comparisons as they will in all likelihood be fighting for minutes this season.

They definitely both should be starting based on this performance. There's absolutely no way Martial should be on the bench, when he's on the pitch he gives you goals and assists. That is an undisputed fact.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Another in the long list of chances Mourinho's afforded Martial that he's taken. Hopefully this time José just starts him next game and, even if he doesn't do as well, give him a run of games regardless. He's good enough to deserve that luxury and playing him into form will help us so much.

I'm not sure I recall a lot of that happening last season though. I really do believe that Mourihno rates his potential and that if Martial can meet the expectations more consistently he will be a mainstay in the team. Today was a great cameo. More of that same please, Martial.

 

[Yagami]

I'm not sure I recall a lot of that happening last season though. I really do believe that Mourihno rates his potential and that if Martial can meet the expectations more consistently he will be a mainstay in the team. Today was a great cameo. More of that same please, Martial.

I'm sure it happened quite a bit. He started the season poorly and was rightly dropped but he then started playing well again and never got given a run of games after October I believe. He'd play well and not start the next game or start and be the first one subbed despite playing better than our other attackers (bar Zlatan).

 

[VanGaalEra]

I love that finish of his, it's beautiful.

 

[sammsky1]

I don't think anyone said this did they? Personally I want them playing together, they're both the future of our club. However its impossible to not draw comparisons as they will in all likelihood be fighting for minutes this season.

Lukaku is still not the final developed player at 24, so we have remmeber both these guys should still be regarded a rotational squad players.

Likeiwse, they are not 'competing with each other' in the strictes sense: we will play 55+ matches this year so need deeo reserves of quality if we are to compete on all fronts.

Both will start at least 30 games each with nearly as many as sub. Thats plenty of gametime to make themselves undroppable as well as further develop their skills.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

Still think he's a CF and shows his best qualities when played closer to the box. I don't think he'll ever develop the industriousness and tactical nous for a winger/wide attacker so it'd be a waste of time to try moulding him that way.

He definitely has to develop his range of finishing if he wants to be a striker though. That side foot finish is about the only one he's confident with.

 

[sammsky1]

Had 10 minutes.

Scored a goal.
Set one up for Lukaku to complete his hattrick
Got an assist.

Can't really do much more than that really.

He was very good, but he came on when we were absolutely dominant and bossing it and West Ham and Zabaletta in particular where knackered and morally defeated.

He was extremely ineffective numerous times when he started last season so has to prove he is worthy of starting. I don't understand why some fans think Mourinho has some sort of personal agenda against him. Mourinho will pick players who will do what he requires within his algorithm: Martial simply needs to get onto that wavelength.

 

[GrandJury]

Jose wouldn't be subbing him on if he wasn't in his plans.

He brought him on and he proved himself well with a good finish and assist in a short time frame. So many times after doing something like this Martial follows it up with a poor/meh performance in the next game. If he's doing what he did in the last 15 minutes of the game today week in/week out he'll be in the first 11.

 

[Dante]

I hope we buy Rose (or Shaw fulfills his potential), so Martial can untether himself from the wing. I think Lukaku's movement will create the space he needs. Now Martial just needs the freedom to get into it. Put Rashford on the right with the same role, and we become unstoppable. Possibly a little lacking in creativity compared to the likes of Barca/Real, but unstoppable all the same. A bit like the juggernaut that was Jose's first Chelsea team.

We're very close to becoming a force again. Martial is good enough to be a huge factor in that.

 

[gr3yham3]

I think getting him off the bench is a great idea - he seems to like doing so. His debut goal for us was when he came off the bench, no? Not saying that he will be always on the bench, but if coming on later in the game where he can take advantage of more space and tired legs with his pace and dribbling means that he will score and assist more can only be a good thing. Will boost his confidence and soon he will be back flying again as a starter.

 

[RRCE]

A very nice cameo from Martial. He did everything that could be reasonably asked of him. He really took advantage of a tired Zabaleta.

If Martial stays focussed and works hard,he'll see plenty of game time this season. He needs to exercise some patience. He really is very talented.

Honestly, though, I wish the boy would just lighten up a bit. Crack a smile now and then! I'm not sure if it's simply not in his nature or if he's actually unhappy, but he should appreciate the situation he's in. He's young, he earns more than most people could ever dream of playing a game he (presumably) loves, and he plays for one of the biggest (if not the biggest) clubs in the world

 

[Solius]

Is it me or did he look sadder than usual after scoring?

Reminds me of when Hernandez scored after ages out of the team and instead of being his happy self he was super serious.

 

[ReallyUSA]

Is it me or did he look sadder than usual after scoring?

Reminds me of when Hernandez scored after ages out of the team and instead of being his happy self he was super serious.

Yeah, he probably feels he deserves to be in the team. I honestly feel if he was starting we would have had two more goals given the chances Rashford had.

 

[Rake]

Yeah, he probably feels he deserves to be in the team. I honestly feel if he was starting we would have had two more goals given the chances Rashford had.

Even ten more. It feels wonderful to slate Rashford to bring up Martial.

 

[ReallyUSA]

Even ten more. It feels wonderful to slate Rashford to bring up Martial.

I love Rashford more than most, but they are in direct competition no? He bottled a lot of chances that I would think Martial would put in. One game though.

 

[itso 7]

Jose wouldn't be subbing him on if he wasn't in his plans.

He brought him on and he proved himself well with a good finish and assist in a short time frame. So many times after doing something like this Martial follows it up with a poor/meh performance in the next game. If he's doing what he did in the last 15 minutes of the game today week in/week out he'll be in the first 11.

But then most of our attackers can't even do that in a single match let alone week in week out but still get to start over him. If Mourinho afforded Martial the same leeway he afforded his favourites then there wouldn't be an outcry but if he continues last season's treatment then you can't really blame the player.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Great cameo from him yesterday. He really is a fantastic player if he can get his shit together again.

 

[Terminator]

Incredible talent. I really hope he clicks at United.

 

[JJ12]

I love Rashford more than most, but they are in direct competition no? He bottled a lot of chances that I would think Martial would put in. One game though.

I saw him miss one chance? And hit the post with a fantastic effort.

 

[ManuMou]

He lack of celebration is worrying......his confidence is at all time low

He simply needs to start. Given the easy fixtures from now till ~Sep, it's now or never.

I understand why Jose prefers Rashford. But now is definitely the time to take some risk in believing your player, let him express himself.

Just fecking start him

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

I love Rashford just like any other would, but let's be frank here, Martial is simply the more talented player and there's no reason he shouldnt be afforded the leeway given to Marcus and Lingard.

He posted better stats than both of them last season. Sometimes you have to accept the truth when it's slapping you in the face.

 

[Adisa]

He lack of celebration is worrying......his confidence is at all time low

He simply needs to start. Given the easy fixtures from now till ~Sep, it's now or never.

I understand why Jose prefers Rashford. But now is definitely the time to take some risk in believing your player, let him express himself.

Just fecking start him

How is it worrying?
This is a player that barely shows any emotion, just spent 70 minutes on the bench and scored when the game was already won.
Manager and player already said he's not going anywhere.
People need to get a grip.

 

[Kostur]

Best thing about his goal was his first touch, Miki's through ball wasn't perfect by any means, it was a very strong pass but he trapped it perfectly well and set up himself for the goal.

 

[Mr PG]

Martial situation is similar to Ander Herrera under LVG. Manager overlooked him and fans consequently tried to find justificacion. When Mourinho arrived Ander has proved his worth just as Martial will. Too much talent there.

 

[DWelbz19]

 

[Ainu]

He lack of celebration is worrying......his confidence is at all time low

He simply needs to start. Given the easy fixtures from now till ~Sep, it's now or never.

I understand why Jose prefers Rashford. But now is definitely the time to take some risk in believing your player, let him express himself.

Just fecking start him

That drag and finish was not something you'd see from a player with confidence at an all time low. He came on with a point to prove.

 

[Womp]

I love Rashford just like any other would, but let's be frank here, Martial is simply the more talented player and there's no reason he shouldnt be afforded the leeway given to Marcus and Lingard.

He posted better stats than both of them last season. Sometimes you have to accept the truth when it's slapping you in the face.

The truth is Rashford is preferred as he offers things that Martial is frankly shite at. He offers movement which is essential to Mourinho's tactics. He will get plenty of chances this season, but he needs to start adding more to his game. This isn't LVG football, we aren't going to have slow build-up play and put balls into his feet all game.

Had Martial been playing instead of Rashford, I don't think we'd have scored the opening goal, I couldn't see Martial making penetrating runs like that off the ball. He's great on the ball though, mind.

 

[Scarecrow]

Rashford is also 2 years younger and seems to be progressing much faster, so far at least. I love Martial but Rashford's future looks brighter to me, right now.

 

[sunama]

I have probably been the most critical person on this forum, when it comes to Martial (and the rest of our goal shy attackers), but yesterday, after he scored I desperately wanted him to be given the ball so he could attack their RB and score another.
I think he was on the pitch for 8 minutes before he scored and that's the kind of productivity that I want to see.
Although I think Lukaku's first goal was the best, I enjoyed Martial's goal the most, because he didn't need to punish WHU at that stage, but he did so anyway. Basically, he put them to the sword and had no remorse - that's what I like to see in an attacker.

Should he start in the next game? Not sure. But I definitely think that he should get at least 30 minutes. I think that when he comes on with fresh legs at around 60 minutes, our opponent's RB must think to himself, "Oh bollox!"

Personally, I don't like seeing Martial dawdling around with the ball.
Like yesterday, I like to see him take the ball, run hard/fast towards the goal and shoot. No passing. No fancy stuff. Just take the ball, run hard and terrify the opponents, before shooting. Be ruthless. As long as he does that, I'll be a huge fan.

...and regarding celebrations - as long as he is scoring goals, who the hell cares?

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

The truth is Rashford is preferred as he offers things that Martial is frankly shite at. He offers movement which is essential to Mourinho's tactics. He will get plenty of chances this season, but he needs to start adding more to his game. This isn't LVG football, we aren't going to have slow build-up play and put balls into his feet all game.

Had Martial been playing instead of Rashford, I don't think we'd have scored the opening goal, I couldn't see Martial making penetrating runs like that off the ball. He's great on the ball though, mind.

And that's all well and good but the true measure for an attacking player is their productivity. Rashford and Lingard combined contributed 9 goals+ assists in the league. Martial had 10.

I would be feeling dejected as well if I were him.

 

[Member 5225]

Everyone that's desperate for him to start thinks he should at the expense of...Rashford?

Ps let's put this into context here, he played against a deflated and ragged, old and slow zabaletta didn't he?

Pps his childlike personality (where everyone is constantly worried about him and he's always sulking and 'complex' etc) is so tedious. Hardly surprising why Jose (a man who typically likes warriors) has had to make such an effort to like him.

 

[MadMike]

At this moment in time I believe our best setup for counter attacking footie is a triplet of:
Martial-Lukaku-Rashford. With Mkhi right behind Lukaku.

From what I saw in pre season Rashford can be a great threat from the right.

Against tight defences you'll want to have Mata on the pitch as his movement into space is exceptional.

 

[AdnanRED]

I don't get the constant need for him to smile? Klopp smiles all the time but deep inside he is probably angry as feck with his team but puts on a show!

He wants to stay he has said it publicly on twitter and he obviously doesn't want to bale out just for a starting spot elsewhere because he knows at what club he is at, while working with one of the best managers ever!

I personally think he will do way better this year simply because Ibra isn't in the team, with Lukakus pace he can link up quickly and doesn't feel the need to always pass to him.

 

[Adisa]

At this moment in time I believe our best setup for counter attacking footie is a triplet of:
Martial-Lukaku-Rashford. With Mkhi right behind Lukaku.

From what I saw in pre season Rashford can be a great threat from the right.

Against tight defences you'll want to have Mata on the pitch as his movement into space is exceptional.

Did he play there?