[Sing you a song]

Getting an injury prone has been (imo) instead of Martial would be one of the craziest decision this club has ever made. And one of the worse.
For someone who supposedly hasn't caught fire Martial has been very good.

He's been very good in some games but virtually anonymous in others.
Not saying I think it is the right thing to do but I definitely think it will happen.
Martial has had enough time and games to make himself a nailed on starter but it just hasn't happened.
We need to win the title next year that will be uppermost in jose's mind

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Perišić rumours are dead I think or so it seems.
And as much as I'd like to see a Croatian in our club I don't think we should go in for him.

Saying all that Martial has been playing a lot this year and I don't think we'll sell him. It's just papers making things up imo.

Might have been reignited as I think it was this month I read a “story” of him being lined up to come this summer. Most likely paper speculation.

 

[Sensei]

What makes you think with your ability to tell the future that even if mourinhio bought lots of young talented players, they would stay for the best years of their career?
In a team you need a mix of ages, I can't think of a top team (barca, Madrid, bayern, and even city) who have a team full of young prospects, most of them have experienced players and that generally comes with age.
The romantic notion of buying a player at 18-22 and thinking he is going to say all his career is just blinkered.

Ps, as for sala, he has been pretty average at best all his career until this 1 season!

Sala, yes
Salah, no

 

[Ban]

Might have been reignited as I think it was this month I read a “story” of him being lined up to come this summer. Most likely paper speculation.

Yeah, lazy journalism at its best.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Ahh yes, I forgot Ibra. Ibra was always and clearly a short term fix though, and was replaced with a young striker. I dont think there is a pattern of Mourinho just signing older players at United. It’s balanced. Sanchez was also swapped with Mkhi.

It’s also hilarious people talking about Mourinho being short term when there was a large amount of fans calling Lukaku a shit donkey. His use of McTominay and Rashford also does not indicate short termism.

Agreed. It's mostly a balanced approach in structuring the team, experience + youth/good age.

And actually Jose kind of did mention it already, something about leaving some players in the squad for the next manager. Not too long ago recent comments.

This must be the 5th time Jose is being criticised for selling Martial?
I wonder why we keep buying him back with Jose in charge.

Incoming more stories of Jose selling Martial. Happened each time when he gets dropped for reason of form or tactics, fans wants him to play all the time and then press always put a lovely spin on it. It's becoming a repetitive pattern. Anyway, we're buying Martial back each time. No worries for now.

 

[Cliche Guevara]

Unless you're on about only attackers that isn't true. Valencia, Smalling, Herrera and Pogba have all played more (from outfield players only) since Mourinho became manager.

The appearance stats were posted earlier:

Rashford has made the most appearances under Mourinho (94). Next highest is De Gea (82) then Martial (81).

 

[Damien]

It was posted earlier:

Rashford has made the most appearances under Mourinho (94). Next highest is De Gea (82) then Martial (81).

NikSab said minutes, which is what I had contention with.

1. De Gea - 7380
2. Antonio Valencia - 6575
3. Paul Pogba - 6456
   
4. Chris Smalling - 5774
5. Ander Herrera - 5631
   
6. Marcus Rashford - 5301

Like I said to haram - it doesn't surprise me that Rashford would have the most appearances as he's one of the fittest in the squad and in terms of position he's at worst the first attacking sub off the bench.

 

[Cliche Guevara]

NikSab said minutes, which is what I had contention with.

1. De Gea - 7380
2. Antonio Valencia - 6575
3. Paul Pogba - 6456
   
4. Chris Smalling - 5774
5. Ander Herrera - 5631
   
6. Marcus Rashford - 5301

Like I said to haram - it doesn't surprise me that Rashford would have the most appearances as he's one of the fittest in the squad and in terms of position he's at worst the first attacking sub off the bench.

I think that’s what he was probably referring to.

 

[AP88]

Incredibly talented player, but lacks the intensity to implement it fully under Mourinho. I think Sanchez has likely killed off his United career to be honest, which is a shame as Alexis hasn’t yet reached the levels to vindicate such a process.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

NikSab said minutes, which is what I had contention with.

1. De Gea - 7380
2. Antonio Valencia - 6575
3. Paul Pogba - 6456
   
4. Chris Smalling - 5774
5. Ander Herrera - 5631
   
6. Marcus Rashford - 5301

Like I said to haram - it doesn't surprise me that Rashford would have the most appearances as he's one of the fittest in the squad and in terms of position he's at worst the first attacking sub off the bench.

Blimey. Would not have expected to see him in the top 5. His fall from grace this season has been spectacular.

 

[haram]

Blimey. Would not have expected to see him in the top 5. His fall from grace this season has been spectacular.

He did play a lot until Matic arrived.

 

[Escobar]

Incredibly talented player, but lacks the intensity to implement it fully under Mourinho. I think Sanchez has likely killed off his United career to be honest, which is a shame as Alexis hasn’t yet reached the levels to vindicate such a process.

Wow, you like it dramatic, dont you?

 

[Escobar]

He did play a lot until Matic arrived.

But not at a level where Jose would have kept him in the starting XI. Herrera had one good season

 

[Adisa]

Why is this thread so active?
The last credible reports said we had finally opened negotiations.

 

[Damien]

Why is this thread so active?
The last credible reports said we had finally opened negotiations.

That was about three weeks ago. Since then a few journalists said we're after a right winger and will probably sell Martial. His agent spoke last week and wasn't very positive either though I suppose not a great deal would be said in public during negotiations.

“Will [Martial] stay in Manchester in the summer? I'm sorry but at the moment I cannot say anything else about it.

“His goal is to win the FA Cup and to cement second place in the Premier League with United to qualify for next season's Champions League.”

He did deny that they were talking with Juventus though.

Also it is international break so threads like this, Pogba's and Sanchez's will be busy as there isn't a great deal to discuss.

 

[VeevaVee]

He's been very good in some games but virtually anonymous in others.
Not saying I think it is the right thing to do but I definitely think it will happen.
Martial has had enough time and games to make himself a nailed on starter but it just hasn't happened.
We need to win the title next year that will be uppermost in jose's mind

Bang on

 

[Damien]

He was becoming a nailed on starter in January and even won player of the month for us then end of the month we brought in Sanchez and shunted Martial over to the right against Spurs. We then had a similar issue with Rashford scoring 2 goals against Liverpool on the left then the next game being moved to the right.

 

[Pat Evra]

How did he do against Russia? Any good?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

How did he do against Russia? Any good?

Put in one decent cross from open play and another from a set-piece. Didn’t do a lot else.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

How did he do against Russia? Any good?

Almost got an assist with a good free-kick, but didn’t do much else. He was in some good situations, but the final determination and decision making lacked.

Overall average game from him imo.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I reckon you could sum up his season so far as fantastic coming off the bench but a bit meh whenever he starts. Or is that a little harsh?

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

I reckon you could sum up his season so far as fantastic coming off the bench but a bit meh whenever he starts. Or is that a little harsh?

He has had a great output goal and assist wise, but his overall performance has been a bit meh imo, much like Mkhitaryan actually.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He has had a great output goal and assist wise, but his overall performance has been a bit meh imo, much like Mkhitaryan actually.

His output is fantastic in terms of goals/assists per minute but that’s been inflated by coming off the bench and making an impact in the closing period. Which is a nice option to have in our squad. I just don’t remember him being all that impressive in games he’s started. Which isn’t ideal. Some really nice goals masked some not great overall performances once he became a regular starter IMO.

 

[Litch]

His output is fantastic in terms of goals/assists per minute but that’s been inflated by coming off the bench and making an impact in the closing period. Which is a nice option to have in our squad. I just don’t remember him being all that impressive in games he’s started. Which isn’t ideal. Some really nice goals masked some not great overall performances once he became a regular starter IMO.

Even diehard Martial fans still must think it's a lottery which ones going to turn up at times. I find him really frustrating as just when you think he's turned a corner, he's inconsistent again. I'd like him just to have a few solid 7/10 performances rather than either 9 or then a 5.....

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

His output is fantastic in terms of goals/assists per minute but that’s been inflated by coming off the bench and making an impact in the closing period. Which is a nice option to have in our squad. I just don’t remember him being all that impressive in games he’s started. Which isn’t ideal. Some really nice goals masked some not great overall performances once he became a regular starter IMO.

He had a pretty good period of 4 games before that Tottenham game, where he started 3 of them and 1 sub apperance, scoring/assisting in every one of them. I don’t remember his overall game being excellent, but he was delivering for us. Then Sanchez came in and Martial was shunted out on the right.

But yeah, that period where Martial and Rashford was changing between starting and coming on as a sub, certainly boosted his output.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He had a pretty good period of 4 games before that Tottenham game, where he started 3 of them and 1 sub apperance, scoring/assisting in every one of them. I don’t remember his overall game being excellent, but he was delivering for us. Then Sanchez came in and Martial was shunted out on the right.

But yeah, that period where Martial and Rashford was changing between starting and coming on as a sub, certainly boosted his output.

Those are the games I mean by goals masking not so good performances. He’d be relentlessly giving the ball away only to smash one in the top corner. It was frustrating because he’d been immense as a sub, earned a place in our best XI but just wasn’t playing very well, even though he was getting on the scoresheet. His post-Sanchez form has really been a continuation of that, only with the goals not going in for him. Newcastle an obvious - and costly - example. He’s a bit of an enigma tbh. His performance for France tonight brought that home, flattering to deceive.

 

[Sayros]

He made a lot of mistakes and poor decisions throughout the game for France. His set pieces had some danger to them, but any play in the open field he made the wrong decision. Poor outing from him.

 

[TsuWave]

I can't lie. Fans and pundits are really making me dislike Martial and Rashford. For the actual value theyve brought, they are vastly overrated.

be an adult that let's fans a pundits make you dislike players, brehs

 

[Pexbo]

Might be a bit too facile a point to make, but I'd wager that under Sir Alex, we'd have seen a very different type of Martial, one that's not as weak or unassuming mentally.

That, of course, applies to many others currently at the club, but it'd have been him and Rashford as a deadly duo by now.

I don't like all the pussyfooting around players we have nowadays, but I truly believe Sir Froggie had an aura about him that was reassuring to the players, even when he'd blast them.

On the contrary, Fergie had a preference for players who were self motivated and mentally strong.

I’d say the closest to Martial was probably Nani. Both great natural talents but with an introvert element to them that held them back. Nani went quiet for months at a time under Fergie.

I’d actually argue that Nani is probably the biggest talent of the two and probably the weakest mentally.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

Those are the games I mean by goals masking not so good performances. He’d be relentlessly giving the ball away only to smash one in the top corner. It was frustrating because he’d been immense as a sub, earned a place in our best XI but just wasn’t playing very well, even though he was getting on the scoresheet. His post-Sanchez form has really been a continuation of that, only with the goals not going in for him. Newcastle an obvious - and costly - example. He’s a bit of an enigma tbh. His performance for France tonight brought that home, flattering to deceive.

Yep, he just lacks drive imo, or at least some intensity to his game. Seems so sluggish at times.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

On the contrary, Fergie had a preference for players who were self motivated and mentally strong.

I’d say the closest to Martial was probably Nani. Both great natural talents but with an introvert element to them that held them back. Nani went quiet for months at a time under Fergie.

I’d actually argue that Nani is probably the biggest talent of the two and probably the weakest mentally.

I don’t think Martial is mentally weak. Coming on, on his debut and scoring a goal against Liverpool with all the criticism of his transfer, shows him to be quite strong in that aspect.

I think Martial needs to be pushed a lot. He said this in an interview some years ago:

Martial, 20, who has scored 12 goals in a torrid season for United, is used to the approach and says his former coach at Monaco Leonardo Jardim was similar, adding: “He was very hard with me, that’s what I needed.”

He liked that approach from both Jardim and LvG.

 

[Damien]

I don’t think Martial is mentally weak. Coming on, on his debut and scoring a goal against Liverpool with all the criticism of his transfer, shows him to be quite strong in that aspect.

I think Martial needs to be pushed a lot. He said this in an interview some years ago:

Martial, 20, who has scored 12 goals in a torrid season for United, is used to the approach and says his former coach at Monaco Leonardo Jardim was similar, adding: “He was very hard with me, that’s what I needed.”

He liked that approach from both Jardim and LvG.

Yeah, he isn't mentally weak. That fits Mkhitaryan and Shaw more. He also dealt with losing his place in the team a few times - like at the start of the season - and pushed his way into the starting lineup. Even though his performances as a starter haven't been that impressive on the whole, it still isn't that easy to come off the bench and score despite what some have said. Here are the stats for attacking players at the top 6 clubs off the bench. Lingard and Martial have done well for us in that respect.

I think most of our players are struggling to have that consistency as a starter through the season. From our attacking players, I'd say only Lukaku and probably Lingard have shown the level of consistency we need - and even then both have had quiet periods.

 

[Micky Targaryen]

I reckon you could sum up his season so far as fantastic coming off the bench but a bit meh whenever he starts. Or is that a little harsh?

Nah that isn't harsh. It's exactly spot on IMO. I've been wanting to say this all along but some here kept using this stat as a reason to start him. But whenever he starts, he just doesn't seem to have that same drive which he has whenever he comes on as a sub. If he keeps on scoring off the bench, then let's just keep it that way I'd say.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Disappointing to hear he didn't play well for France, a good game might have given him a lift. His season has hit the skids in the last few weeks.

 

[youngrell]

I think he needs to feel relied upon to get the best out of him. Under LvG he was our main attacking option and he thrived in being the talisman in many games.

Since Jose took over he's been in and out of the team and given a lesser role, which seems to make him hide a bit. He never really played well alongside Zlatan, not sure if they just didn't gel or he was intimidated, and he has now seen his importance to the team diminished again with the arrival of Sanchez.

Make him an important part of the team and he will reward you with performances, goals and assists.

 

[Wade3]

People complain about his lack of consistency or about his games being poor overall despite him scoring goals, yet how many attacking players have really performed well consistently overall? Lukaku is probably the most consistent one and even he has had dry spells and more than enough poor overall performances.

Lingard, Rashford and Sanchez sure as hell are no examples of consistency.

So the question that really needs to be asked is the reason behind the inconsistencies of so many players on our team.

 

[Andycoleno9]

For his career, he needs to leave. Life was hard for him when he was fighting with rashford for minutes. Now with alexis, his chances to be regular starter are not good at all.

 

[breakout67]

Sanchez has some poor games:
gets benched for the only competition worth playing for (FA cup)
No one bats an eye lid.

Martial gets benched for some poor games:
He needs to leave for his own sake, he would be one of the best players in the world with another manager

 

[spontaneus1]

Posters hoping he leaves for his career

 

[Cassidy]

Sanchez has some poor games:
gets benched for the only competition worth playing for (FA cup)
No one bats an eye lid.

Martial gets benched for some poor games:
He needs to leave for his own sake, he would be one of the best players in the world with another manager

Actually he has lost his place to a player playing poorly, just before Sanchez signed Marital got 3 MoTM in a row. The issue is he is not in the team because of Sanchez, not because he is in poor form.