Bad game in front of the goal but he's not suited to play on the right at all.
Some comments here are shambolic though.
Some comments here are shambolic though.
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Agreed. Not good, not bad.
He is the next mickytarygooner.
Same attitude,same determination,same head dropping.
Talent will only get you so far,you have to have drive to want to be the best and he ain't got any!!
Same attitude,same determination,same head dropping.
Talent will only get you so far,you have to have drive to want to be the best and he ain't got any!!
Andy Cole was always moving. He got himself in areas where you get chances more often than Lukaku or Martial do for us. This team never seems to pick up the cheap tap ins because nobody gets themselves in the six yard box. Michael Carrick nearly managed it at the end for Christ’s sake.
I want to say he did okay and tried to make things happen which he did, but 3 big misses pretty much undoes any good he did this game.
Should've scored a few. But individually actually did alright I thought, at least considering the rest... At least looked a threat consistently, got in dangerous positions, kept the ball well mostly. Finishing off though. First one at least should've scored, the chances from the corner though you just kind of swing at it and usually it'll bounce in. Bad luck to see it bounce off twice even though he hit it to the corner once and in the middle once. Just happens.
Main thing I want him to improve is what most people usually say. That intensity. He shows it occasionally, but needs to show it more often. When he gets on the ball, too casual a lot of times and when he loses it, just too slow to get back to his feet or try and win it back. All the talent in the world and all the physical attributes, just needs to show the intensity constantly and he'll step up as a player instead of having the Berba like casualness to his play.
Main thing I want him to improve is what most people usually say. That intensity. He shows it occasionally, but needs to show it more often. When he gets on the ball, too casual a lot of times and when he loses it, just too slow to get back to his feet or try and win it back. All the talent in the world and all the physical attributes, just needs to show the intensity constantly and he'll step up as a player instead of having the Berba like casualness to his play.
Martial got himself into a 1 on 1 and had 2 shots cleared off the line.
Also, cole was played as a striker. Martial is played anywhere but that position.
I’m aware he did. I’m speaking in general rather than one particular game. It applies more to Lukaku at the minute I would say but neither bust a gut to get themselves in the centre of the goal where the chances fall.
The lack of intensity really stands out next Lingard and Sanchez. Lukaku is just as bad up front.
Jose has to decide if he wants if he wants his forwards to press or sit off because its fecking pointless only one or two of them bothering.
Bottler.
So talented but has not got mentality to improve to the next level.
So talented but has not got mentality to improve to the next level.
I agree - I feel some on here have pre-programmed posts that they wait for just the slightest justification to then post (ex. 'all Mata does is pass sideways'; 'Lukaku can't hold up the ball'; 'Martial is lazy' etc.) That first miss was bad (although also a good save,) but the other two chances were great clearances off a very congested goal-line (the first of the two was actually very deftly placed by Martial, in my opinion.)
'Overrated' is harsh but he does get away with murder on here.
I'm surprised to see people slating him for once. Everywhere but this thread is full of people making more excuses for him.
Another average game, but this time without a goal to make up for it.
Another average game, but this time without a goal to make up for it.
Yeah i think you are right. It was a bit harsh but was upset with all those missed chances. Disappointed with his attitude.
Should have scored at least one. Could have got two.
Young lad with bags of potential, but has to show a lot more desire, commitment and hunger than he does. IMO he’s way to casual in his play, hardly ever puts a tackle in and looks lazy in his approach..
I love martial to bits but he needs to work on his game. He could have done a million things while one on one. Look at Sergio's game yesterday where he did a simple dink over the keeper. Need to work on his finishing.
Another immature player to add to the list.
Love him but he cost us the game today. You need to score in the positions he was in, or you get punished.
Wouldn't go that far. Also wouldn't say he's a bottler at all. He doesn't disappear in big games and we do often turn to him when the going gets tough to do something. The main problem with him is general laziness. Berba-esque a lot of times how if he loses it, he doesn't fight to win it back, and sometimes just doesn't show the right intensity or look to force the issue often enough and sometimes just too content with playing it easy.
Missed chances today, but he didn't disappear or lose his head, he still kept trying things and overall had a decent performance if you ignore the bad finishes. Obviously should have scored, and on another day he would have, but IMO I'd say it's a good mentality to have where players keep going and keep trying to get involved even after fecking up chances, because we know plenty who don't.
I thought he did ok today. Not great but ok. He can show a bit more intensity. Just way too laid back and low energy too often. When the going gets tough, he needs to step it up a notch. Bad misses today.
Have to ask, what mentality is that?
We are wasting him.
Stop playing him on the right.
Stop playing him on the right.
This has to be a WUM.
So he missed those 3 chances cause Mourinho played him on the right? Feck me.
He knows Mourinho dislikes his game and will be back on the bench as soon as Rashford is fit.
Martial needs to go to a club where he'll play central striker every game.
Martial needs to go to a club where he'll play central striker every game.
Martial had no problem playing on the right this game; he got into good positions multiple times. He just didnt have his finishing boots on.
Although a bit jumping to conclusions, I have the same feeling. I think Martial feels under-appreciated and lacks confidence because he never knows when he’s going to be benched. It’s pretty easy to come to that conclusion to be fair, and it’s also easy to see that he could be thriving at another club. Some clubs get a lot of space and time due to the geniality of certain players, at United he does not get the best environment.
I can accept the misses in the second half, those are tricky as there are 20 players in there (just needed luck), but the one in the first half was down to lack of focus. You don’t go right when you’re coming from the right, you chip or fake a shot and go left. 9/10 keepers go to their left, always letting the chip go over them. See Aguero yesterday, see Messi over the last ten years
It just feels like fitting him in for the sake of it.
Martial came to Man. United to develop as central striker, same as Greizmann, Lacazette, Giroud, Henry etc.
That's not happening for foreseeable future with Lukaku there and Alexis and Rashford as other options.
Of course he's still young and all that but I get the feeling if another CL club came in for him he'd be up for the move.
Just meh.
I wish he had more ferocity in his game.
I wish he had more ferocity in his game.
Strange. He's usually very good finisher and today missed 2 big chances (one chance is rebound, so not separate chance for another goal). Expected him to put those away. Just one of those days, I guess
Had he scored a hat-trick today there’s no way he was ever getting benched. For me it’s that simple.
Excites and frustrates in equal measures.
How do you know this? LVG, the man who bought him, shifted him to the left when Rashford came though. Even when Martial played as a striker he did not play through the middle; he would drift across the pitch and had no set position (so he was a false striker, not a central one).
Jardim did not play Martial as a central striker; he was often utilized with a partner and would also play across the forward line. Mourinho only utilizes him on occasion as a striker.
I don't think Martial sees himself as a central striker either; he is an inside forward. Someone that starts wide and moves into the middle as the attack develops.
I don't think he played bad today. He got into some very good positions and although he missed his chances I'd be more worried if he wasn't getting into the positions to score. The run he made before Matic passed is something I've never seen Martial do before. It's definitely a positive sign and he needs to keep working on his off the ball movement because it's the weakest part of his game. On the negative side I don't understand the lack of intensity in his play. When you compare him to Sanchez and even Lingard he is too laid-back and it feels he's operating at 2nd gear. Someone should tell him to stop being so casual at times and increase his intensity.
This has to be a WUM.
So he missed those 3 chances cause Mourinho played him on the right? Feck me.
Short sighted. 1 game and a few misses isn't the point.
Martial came to United as a striker/left sided forward. That's exactly what he is.
Because of the Alexis signing, it would appear we are now trying to play him out on the right, playing predominately on his stronger foot and limiting his ability to cut inside and beat a man.
Once again we are putting square pegs in round holes.
Whilst they aren't comparable style of players, remember the difference between Nani on the right and Nani on the left?
I only looked on Whoscored where they have Lingard, Lukaku and Martial all on 1 key pass per game. But his stats are still similar to Lingards in that area.You're right about him defensively. Offensively (league), his stats are what you expect from someone in his position.
Better mins/key pass than Lingard and Rashford and similar region to the other wingers in Mane, Salah, Sterling and Sane.
Best conversion out of them all with similar mins/shot to the others.
His mins/unsuccessful touch or dispossession is definitely disappointing. Only Alexis is worse but he makes up for it in terms of tackles and interceptions.
Defensively, from these names, only Salah is worse across the board.
His conversion rate is good but that particular stat doesn't really say much about a player. Messi was at about 17% a couple of months ago and like 20% now, from what I found. Kane is also 20% and Sanchez is at only 10% from the stats above. I think someone posted last year that Ronaldos percentage was poor. Zlatan had one of the lowest rates in the league last season and he was still regarded as one of the best forwards in the league.
The best players usually take a lot of shots, and part of the reason why they do that is because they are good at getting in positions to score. You can see that the best player on that list(Sanchez) takes shots more often. Although, it's not easy to to make much of these kind of stats as there are so many variables to take into account for every shot. This is an area where Martial has room to improve though, with better off ball movement, he would be getting even more chances to score.
Sanchez also loses the ball a lot, but he is a playmaker, he tends to try a lot of difficult passes and loses the ball that way as well. He does chase after it when he makes a mistake though as you said.
Martial is obviously one of the most talented players around, but he's just too one dimensional imo. I get the feeling he doesn't really work on his game that much. His style is also too casual for my liking and lacks intensity, but maybe that wouldn't be an issue playing under another manager.
Some of the comments are a bit harsh. I don't think he's lazy or immature, he just lacked composure. If he had scored one of his chances, it could've been a different match altogether.
Agree with most of that, but the question is, how long can we afford to be patient with him. We are a club with very high ambitions after all. Most of the time these things(like decision making)improve with age but for some players it just never does.
Right now, LW is Sanchez spot and it doesn't look like that's gonna change anytime soon. Unless Martial can find a way to be effective from the right, we will probably be looking for a proper right winger in the summer, and I'm not sure Martial will be ok with sitting on the bench again.
Hilarious comments in here. /s
He's gonna have a serious problem holding a place down if Mourinho gives Tahith Chong the opportunity to fight for a spot on the RW next season.
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