If he'd have scored that goal this thread would be full of praise for him. Instead because his shit finish its Jose's fault, makes sense.
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If he'd have scored that goal this thread would be full of praise for him. Instead because his shit finish its Jose's fault, makes sense.
Learn to read my friend. You try to interpret things that aren't there to be interpreted.
Both against Spurs and now Newcastle, he disappeared when being moved to the left in the second half. And to add to that Sanchez had also less influence on the game when he went central.
We still didn't try Sanchez right and Martial left which is really confusing and can't find any logic in not doing so.
We still didn't try Sanchez right and Martial left which is really confusing and can't find any logic in not doing so.
There's nothing to interpret. If you say you'd have been in here criticising Jose even if Martial had scored (one or both of his easy chances) then sure i believe you
I wouldn't have said it but I would still think itThere's nothing to interpret. If you say you'd have been in here criticising Jose even if Martial had scored (one or both of his easy chances) then sure i believe you
. I thought about it since Mourinho arrived even. I hope to be wrong and quoted many times by you in the future.He did make a few good runs tbf. Which isn’t always a strength of his.
Yeah, he made few (1 or 2) from right wing and almost nothing from left. He can be such a devastating player if he can make runs like Lingard.
I’ve just watched the game back and Martial’s biggest problem seems to be he doesn’t fight to get into the game.
I’m not talking about tracking back or whatever, but he’s just too passive. He needs to show desperation to get into the box and score goals whenever he can. He hangs back so often.
I’m not talking about tracking back or whatever, but he’s just too passive. He needs to show desperation to get into the box and score goals whenever he can. He hangs back so often.
Martial is a super talented player but the only thing that is stopping him to reach the level of Henry is his drive. For ex. there was a moment where Sanchez chased the ball and took on the defender but martial instead of running towards the box he was walking. That has nothing to do with tactics or Jose. Hate to say it but his attitude is a suspect. He has to press, he has to be urgent.
This thread is the very culmination of overreaction, laughable. People should realize that this is not an individual player problem we are having, its about being a good well oiled machine as a team and that's something we are not. Had he buried at least one of those chances yesterday there would be different bells ringing here. It just did not work with him in front of the goal yesterday, otherwise I think he was in the game causing trouble and making things happen, well at least compared to many other players. Still, no excuses for missing those chances and he could be more energetic at times.
And for the "lack of interest" he is showing, I can tell you he was like that in Monaco already. It's just the way this guy looks and will look for the rest of his career probably.
And for the "lack of interest" he is showing, I can tell you he was like that in Monaco already. It's just the way this guy looks and will look for the rest of his career probably.
I just watched that and was going to mention it. They showed from a great angle. Martial should have been bursting in at that back post looking for a goal. As you say he was trotting along about twenty yards outside the box.
Interested in who you think City would drop to accommodate him?
The other issue is be it on rw or lw I always see him too deep. All lukaku, Sanchez, lingard and even pogba all press and are closer to opposition box whereas martial just stands in half way line and reacts later. His off the ball movement is one of the worst I have seen. Like I said he has the ability to reach top level but he has to improve in many areas.
I completely agree. He doesn’t seem to like running without the ball. It’s not about being a defensive workhorse either, I’d just love to see him busting a gut to score every time he can.
Was more going off of their injuries. I think Bernardo is a back up for midfield for them and the eventual replacement for his name sake. Leroy is supposedly due back soon I believe. So that leaves Those two wide positions questionable, and in all honesty if I’m choosing between Sterling and Martial then it’s Martial everytime. Sterling is doing well in a system.
Anyone taking Martial over Stering has lost it.
Sterling is far more direct, beats players and draw fouls far more effectively and actually works off the ball.
It genuinely amazes me people single out Pogba when you have this guy flouncing around the pitch in 2nd gear. He's basically the anti-Sanchez. If Rashford gets fit he should be getting Martial's spot for a while. I'd love to see us develop a more aggressive attack that will press teams back. You'll get nothing like that with Martial.
Sterling is far more direct, beats players and draw fouls far more effectively and actually works off the ball.
It genuinely amazes me people single out Pogba when you have this guy flouncing around the pitch in 2nd gear. He's basically the anti-Sanchez. If Rashford gets fit he should be getting Martial's spot for a while. I'd love to see us develop a more aggressive attack that will press teams back. You'll get nothing like that with Martial.
If Martial can't be blamed for 1v1 finishes and open nets 3 times in a game. God forbid he would never be blamed .
I'm beginning to think he simply doesn't have the engine of a Neymar or Lingard.
Needs to start doing endurance training.
Needs to start doing endurance training.
Martial was one of our better players but sadly missed some very good chances. Pogba was just dreadful.
Rashford doesn't deserve to start over Martial, not even close. He'll get starts in the lesser games, but until he shows he actually has a thinking brain instead of just legs, he doesn't deserve to start. Martial definitely could do with more energy out on the pitch, but I just don't think that's ever going to happen. You either have that in you, or you don't. I don't see him, at 23 or 24 years old all of the sudden becoming this workhorse. It doesn't stop him from being one of the most effective players on the team, and one of its highest contributors. That's the level of his talent. If he was driven like Sanchez, he'd be in the top 5 in the league within a year or two.
Sanchez' overall play was better? What chance did he create all game apart from his miss? It's clear that you don't like Martial and you are waiting for him to have a bad much to spout shite.
We never pick up cheat tap ins these days because we don't create anything, against Newcastle we just created two chances from open play the entire match.
I don't know why looking like a crazed monkey or running around like a headless chicken is expected from certain footballers? Each footballer is unique with their expressions, Lingard was absolutely horrific yesterday, he was our number 10 but did not even make a single incisive pass in the final third, but you are willing to let him off because he "ran around a bit more"? I swear if Xavi, Iniesta, Modric, Pirlo and Zidane played for us right now you people will be telling them that they can play much better if they show "intensity" or "passion" or whatever crap thick pundits blather on about on TV.
I'm not saying Martial is at the level of Xavi or Iniesta or Pirlo, it's just that you cannot expect a player to change the way he expresses himself on the football field.
No-one is saying he needs to run around like a headless chicken. I just want to see more intensity and aggression in his movements. Its just a small thing he can improve on. Lingard however was one of our worst performers along with Smalling for the record. He gave away the ball every single time we were in promising positions and he didn't get enough stick for it. I never said he played well. I was just comparing the movements off the ball and the intensity of their pressing. That's where I want Martial to use his energy more effectively.
So in that instant where Sanchez chased the ball, did he win the ball back? He didn't did he? One player chasing after a ball is not pressing, it's just wasting energy. Sanchez has always played like that because he has abundant stamina, not all football players are robots designed exactly the same, each of them have various levels of stamina and each of them approach the game differently to last the 90 minutes.
Now if Martial was part of a team that employs pressing as a collective as part of winning the ball back, then you can criticize him for not pressing. Say if he didn't press when playing in a Liverpool or the current City side he'd stick out like a sore thumb and will rightly be criticized.
Okay define "intensity" and "aggression in movements" in football terms for me.
Did Martial not receive a good pass last match because he ambling about slowly? Did Martial miss a chance to score because he wasn't in the right place at the right time last match due to his laziness? Did Martial not support Valencia last match by not tracking back? He gets criticized because his demeanor is not like that of Lingard or Sanchez.
He’s had bad games and I didn’t come in here. People are back to spouting that agenda shite again are they?
Ever? Maybe if players made better runs we would. What about the one Carrick had at the end?
They will keep on saying that as you do have an agenda when it comes to Martial.
So they just ignore any praise I give Martial? fecking tired of this shit.
Better runs? Do you even watch our matches? We are so slow in our passing that every match our attackers are facing a bus by the time they get the ball, you cannot make runs against a defense digging deep, you have to stretch the play by employing wingers to pull apart the defence but we don't have natural wingers and our fullbacks are wrong footed so it's all compact in the opposition end and not only is it difficult to make runs into the box, it's even more difficult to make a pass inside the box(unless it's a cross which most defences are adept at keeping out).
Didn't Carrick's chance happen in a set-piece? Also I don't think he made a run.
LOL obviously you have to praise Martial if he had a good game otherwise everyone will know that you don't like Martial. It's days when he doesn't perform well it clearly shows, you said Sanchez' "overall game was better" so his open goal miss is excusable when it is clear to everyone that Sanchez was just as bad as Martial against Newcastle.
Yeah I watch them all. It’s incredibly difficult to make a pass to a player hiding behind two defenders. Slow passing is clearly an issue but so is the movement.
No it didn’t. It happened when McTominay ran into the box. If he didn’t run how did he get on the end of the chance?
Got your point, yes our movement is clearly an issue. And that Carrick chance happened only because McTominay ran till the byline with the ball, if we had done more of that in the entire match, I'm sure one of our attackers would have got into that position.
Sterling went from headless chicken to goalscoring wide man with elite movement in the space of a few months. The reason is down to coaching. Put Sterling in our current set up and he’ll struggle even more than Martial supposedly is. Despite being our POTM about 3 times now.
Precisely.
The type of ‘misses’ Martial made against Newcastle shouldn’t be such a talking point for a side with our quality of attackers against a relegation side because we should be creating hatful of them.
This. Prior to being under Guardiola, Sterling's finishing and crossing and his kicking technique in general was absolutely poor, he still cannot give a decent cross. I'm pretty sure more of his goals this season were easy tap-ins.
If Mourinho had signed Sterling, he'd be a right back by now.
Yes, the only reason Martial's and Sanchez' misses are magnified is because those were the only chances created in the entire match. Even Ronaldo and Messi aren't that clinical.
I think you're being too harsh on haram, redIndianDevil. He still posts in here when Martial has had some good games and doesn't post when Martial has had some bad games... unlike Number1 and Jaybomb who purely post here when Martial doesn't have great games then disappear when he has good games.
No offense but that's really the worst excuse I have ever seen for players missing chances.
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