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Quick reminder that somebody interpreted these quotes as Jose "suggesting people who think he should be starting are not real supporters"

Just the "are they red devils" part
 
It's not questioning team selection thats the issue. It's the fans that make it an 'us v them' between the two that is the issue.

The ones that sit waiting on the Player Performance threads waiting for someone to slip up so they can bump it with 'MARTIAL WOULD HAVE SCORED THAT !!!11!!!' or 'MARTIAL IS SO SHIT' or will downplay what the other has done in order to try and big up their favourite.

There's constructive criticisms to be made of both of them, and neither are the finished article, but both are having great seasons and bringing lots to the team. If your response to that is to try and vilify one of them to get your guy starting then you're a pretty shitty fan. We should just be appreciating that we've got two great talents on our hands.
100% agree.
 
Would never have got inside the box in a 4231 to win the second ball and score.

His strenghts suits 2 up top.

Good important goal today. Hoping for similar impact vs Chelsea , but he'd have to do a lot more to go past courtouis.
:lol: ok. His strength offers many possibilities, not just 2 up top as he's showed it time and time again.
 
Last post on the topic, this is exactly why Jose should not have said what he did. Imagine Martial reading this tomorrow.

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http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ester-United-Tottenham-1-0-Jose-Mourinho-News
newspaper nonsense taking a quote totally out of context. Hate this kind of sensationalist crap.

Nothing wrong with Mourinho's post-match comment, it was an imperfect shot that fortuitously ended up as the perfect execution.
 
Just the "are they red devils" part

Read it in context mate, its more like he wants the supporters to recognise the hard work of Rashford and Lukaku, not just Martial because he popped up at the end with a goal.

Mou's quotes, fully transcribed:

Sometimes he starts the match and his contribution is good, maybe not scoring so many times as he is scoring coming from the bench, but he's playing well, the same as Rashford, the same as Lukaku. I really don't understand some reactions by... are they red devils? Sometimes I don't know... because they work amazingly well, and today there were two strikers playing together against three top central defenders, the best we have in Europe, and they had to do the defensive job of pressing them coming out with the ball, which they do really well. Because they have big routines of playing with three in the back. And on top of that they gave solutions to get out of the pressure, to win first balls, to win second balls, their work was amazing. Then Martial scores with a bad shot [laughs], and a bad shot can sometimes be a beautiful one.
 
Read it in context mate, its more like he wants the supporters to recognise the hard work of Rashford and Lukaku, not just Martial because he popped up at the end with a goal.

An interpretation. Thank you. Not sure I agree with your interpretation but it's infinitely better than just being called a cnut or a liar :lol:

I still think he was saying those who are questioning his choice of players are perhaps not red devils. Arguing over who plays is part of being a supporter. We're all looking for the same thing. I've been supporting them my whole life. I have little doubt most supporters love the club a lot more than he does so I resent the suggestion
 
The 'are they red devils' comment was utterly unnecessary and shit-stirring from the manager himself. Just concentrate on the game. The fans can be just as bad, but Jose hardly comes out of that smelling like roses either. Match made in heaven.. attention seeking manager and fans alike.
 
Reading Mourinho's comments, the main impression I get is that he wants Martial to work harder. He clearly feels that Rashford and Lukaku are better defensively, which is probably true tbh.
 
Reading Mourinho's comments, the main impression I get is that he wants Martial to work harder. He clearly feels that Rashford and Lukaku are better defensively, which is probably true tbh.

Martial never gets caught out defensively , it's the offensive movements and impact he struggles to make while playing against big sides who attack and press high.
 
I would be very tempted to the 3412 and play Martial in behind Lukaku and Rashford.
 
Reading Mourinho's comments, the main impression I get is that he wants Martial to work harder. He clearly feels that Rashford and Lukaku are better defensively, which is probably true tbh.

Especially considering he’s in the team to do the very opposite, there’s nothing at all wrong with Martial’s defensive contribution. Literally nothing. He does his job.
 
I would be very tempted to the 3412 and play Martial in behind Lukaku and Rashford.

I don't see how it would work, they will be trying to make similar runs and movement. If you're going to have two up top, you need an actual midfielder behind them.

Especially considering he’s in the team to do the very opposite, there’s nothing at all wrong with Martial’s defensive contribution. Literally nothing. He does his job.

I think it's also his attacking work rate and pressing Mourinho wants more of.
 
I don't see how it would work, they will be trying to make similar runs and movement. If you're going to have two up top, you need an actual midfielder behind them

It Could work though if Ibrahimovic is played there specially with jose's long ball tactics and ibra is physically imposing tall player and can hold the ball up and create as well and link up with the front 2 and also score as a second striker.
 

Yeah, I think perhaps Ibra could play behind two forwards, although I wouldn't be keen on it. I don't think Martial would suit the position though.
 
Sigh, this thread is terrible. This is a moment of glory for Martial and his fans, scoring an important winner against a rival. Would have loved to celebrate here with all. But no, the fanbois still need to find a way to moan and to vitalise the atmosphere here.

Reading people's opinion here used be an important part of my football. But it has come to a point where I genuinely think I would be happier only watching the actual matches...
 
I don't see how it would work, they will be trying to make similar runs and movement. If you're going to have two up top, you need an actual midfielder behind them.



I think it's also his attacking work rate and pressing Mourinho wants more of.

I don't think any of them are very similar tbh. Lukaku is a penalty box striker, Martial drifts about and is probably our best technical player after Pogba. Rashford runs in behind and drifts wide stretch sides.

I think we would terrify sides on the counter.
 
I don't think any of them are very similar tbh. Lukaku is a penalty box striker, Martial drifts about and is probably our best technical player after Pogba. Rashford runs in behind and drifts wide stretch sides.

I think we would terrify sides on the counter.

I'm not sure you would want Martial picking up the ball deeper in midfield or laying it off to others though. You would want him on the end of any passes.
 
I hope Zlatan returning to health is the catalyst to playing all 3 together.

Zlatan playing behind front 2 would be deadly with a potential like martial or rashford or even lukaku waiting to come off the bench.
 
Martial and the off the ball movement. He could have an entire TV series dedicated to this, judging by the number of people who keep harping on about it.

It's not as if Martial doesn't know how and when to move without the ball or time his runs. When playing through the middle, he makes so many effective runs, linking up beautifully with other attackers. It's just that out wide, like other dribblers, he prefers to receive the ball first and then move with it. His movement out wide has never been that of a typical winger. But, under Mourinho, he is trying to add to his game with positive results. He is a better crosser, less predictable than before and better in his link up play. But like other young players, the consistency is not there yet.

At this stage, I think both Martial and Rashford has shown better ability to create and finish chances than Mkhi. It's time to replace Mkhi and play Martial/ Rash in the middle and Mata on the right. The team will be much better in an attacking sense.
 
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Literally, that instantaneous moment when Lloris came out and tried to save it, my subconscious mind told me that, as predictable as Martial's finishing that he more often than not will slot it in on his right, I believed in his world class calmness and world class finishing......then the ball went it, on his right again :D

Definitely one of the best moments. It was pure beauty, if not Messi-like/capable @ the big, big atmosphere

......and he smiled :mad:

He will start next Sunday no ? :devil:

And hope Barca won't increase their bidding price after this finishing move :mad:
 
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Sigh, this thread is terrible. This is a moment of glory for Martial and his fans, scoring an important winner against a rival. Would have loved to celebrate here with all. But no, the fanbois still need to find a way to moan and to vitalise the atmosphere here.

Reading people's opinion here used be an important part of my football. But it has come to a point where I genuinely think I would be happier only watching the actual matches...
Completely agree. I came to the thread to praise his contribution, only to find more drama.
 
It's obvious that Martial fans are so desperate for him to get recognition, so they will look for any small thing that can be percieved as being against him and make a massive deal out of it.

He won us the game today and that is huge, why not just focus on that? Even if it was a mishit so what? It's still probably the most important goal anyone has scored this season. It would be delusional to think Mourinho isn't praising him after this, and doesn't value his contribution. He can be a massive threat in the right conditions(coming of the bench), and I think Mourinho is utilising that perfectly.
 
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Looks awesome
Defensively, if you assume behind that we have a midfield 2 of Pogba and Matic, it leaves so much for Matic to do. Pogba isn't the best defensively, and Lukaku and Zlatan don't work especially hard with their pressing and tracking of runs. I think it could be nice against teams we can bulldoze at home but against the better teams in the league it could leave us quite exposed.
 
Who cares even if it was a bad shot, he won us the game.

Jose pretty much mentioned it in every interview. He really shouldnt and just talk about the good things of that goal.

Goal aside, id love to see a replay of that flick to Matic that led to the chance for Lukaku.
 
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