One shot? What about the numerous misses in crucial times?
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Pogba?
And Sir Alex isn't our manager any more. Perhaps, we ought to get used to managers doing things Sir Alex wouldn't have done.
Seems Martial, or his agent, is pissed off again. http://www.thehardtackle.com/news/2...d-manager-jose-mourinhos-treatment-of-winger/ There must be something wrong behind the scenes here in the relationship between player and manager. Getting worried that if a big club come in for him this Summer it will be hard to keep hold of him. Would hate to see us lose another Ronaldo like talent and watch him become world class somewhere else. Jose better sort this out and soon.
SAF wasn't perfect, but that still doesn't change Martial's situation. No problem with Jose doing his own thing, but alienating a talented lad whose shown what he can do over an entire premier league season is rather foolhardy imho. Meanwhile, an inconsistent Pogba keeps getting starts - which I don't have a problem with - just wish Jose would extend the same courtesy to Martial.
Club needs to sort this shit out. Representatives also need to shut their mouths. Prioritising people like Rooney and Mata (whose not a winger) over Martial
I'm starting to worry about this. Can understand dropping him from the team but from the whole squad? It's not like anyone else is ripping it up on the left wing.
Why are some here already entirely convinced that this is Jose's fault? IF there really is a rift, then BOTH parties need to grow up and do what's right for the club's sake.
I've already accepted he's as good as gone, Mourinho has fecked this one massively. We still play shite like Rooney, Lingard et al because of their "defensive workrate" and we're going to lose one of the most talented young players on the planet because of it, maybe Mourinho needs to actually show a bit of faith in the kids at OT if he really wants to prove to us he's fecking changed.
People said for Martial to get in the team he needs to perform, saying that he needed to 'grow up' and not let the off field stuff with his ex affect him. He's performed on the field of late and still gets dropped so that's why some are pointing towards Mourinho.
Really not much Martial can do at this point. Everytime he plays good, instead of getting a run of games he gets dropped.
Like I said already to two other guys, maybe the recent uptick isn't enough for Jose. He's been garbage most of the season minus 4-6 games and some very good moments in the other games. Jose gets to spend more time with him than us, and he wanted him at Chelsea - I just don't think his estimation of Martial will go down in less than 8 months for no reason at all.
He has 21 apps to his name, despite said bad form. It's not like he's been Basti'd. He's had his chances.
Honestly, both are getting paid handsomely and they should both man the feck up. Top 4 is still reachable with a possible Europa League and domestic cup.
Well, I am not concerned. I think it is risky but the right approach to make it clear that Martial has a fight on his hands for his place in the team, not just hand it to him regardless. I don't think any of the alternatives, except Mkhitaryan, are viable long term solutions. So I hope the boy sees that it is just a case of him claiming the spot by performing consistently.
Pogba, Zlatan or, even, De Gea can get away with poor performances not only because they have more pedigree than Martial but also because, actually, in their absence, the team is much worse off. So it isn't really an equivalent situation.
Club needs to step in and calm things down (if there's shit going on behind the scenes). It's not in the club's interest to let this get out of hand. Really talented young footballers are not easy to come by.
We are giving too much power to our new managers. Martial is good for the club so the manager needs to make it work. Can't be alienating talent and giving Jose all this power when he himself has us sitting in the grand position of 6th in the table.
We are giving too much power to our new managers. Martial is good for the club so the manager needs to make it work. Can't be alienating talent and giving Jose all this power when he himself has us sitting in the grand position of 6th in the table.
I agree. Look I can see why Mourinho might have an issue with him but in that Liverpool game he looked a threat in the first half, in the West Ham game, he was brilliant and then dropped next game.
I can see why Martial would be pissed. Jose's management of him hasn't been consistent and there is something else outside of performances which is also being taken into account here.
Showing faith in a young developing player like lingard doesn't count? Is playing Rashford over Martial not showing faith too?
And for all of Rooney's shite his 15 goals and assists is second in the team and quite a bit ahead of the next.
Martial is the 14th most played player in our team and with the options in his position and his less than stellar season there is nothing wrong with it. Mata, Mkhi, Rashford, Lingard, and yes even Rooney have also had good moments and deserved playing time too. None of them get regularly chosen because none have been overly better than the rest and this includes Martial who doesn't deserve special treatment for some reason.
Would be great having DoF in this moment.
Spot on. Also that shirt number situation as well.
Truly bizarre situation in which Martial can't seem to benefit in either way.
He wasn't dropped the next game after west ham. He started against Everton, was rested against Zorya and then started against spurs.
And don't think he looked a threat against Liverpool at all.
We don't really have an alternative. You have to give the same level of power to the manager that SAF had except with none of the job security that SAF had. I sort of understand why Jose's doing what he's doing. Even if they continue playing well, if Jose doesn't make top 4 this year and then struggles again next year, he's probably headed for the same fate as Moyes and Van Gaal before him. So, he basically has to do what he thinks is best to grind out short-term results in order to allow him to keep this job. If this involves playing guys he thinks are more dependable currently than Martial, that's what he'll do. It's terrible for the club's long-term prospects because as I've said in this thread, Martial's the type of player you build a squad around but Jose's current interests and the long-term interests of this club aren't necessarily aligned.
All I know is any team whether top or bottom, would love to have him in their team. Their fans would laugh their heads off at us.
The club really needs to sort it between manager and player.
The club really needs to sort it between manager and player.
I understand Jose's position. But there's a way to keep the kid onside, whilst he's trying to get his results, and I suspect Jose's too impatient or not subtle enough in the way he's managing the situation.
And if, Jose rocks off in two or three seasons then what? We'd have lost a great talent just for the sake of a couple of seasons with someone who might not work out? We have to have a balance between the short term and the long term - we haven't got a choice.
Throwing insults because I said something that you don't agree with. Great way of communicating.
I mean, that's just kind of the way it works with this club given our usage of managers as opposed to coaches/DOFs. Any manager could decide a player is surplus to requirements, unsettle them and then ship them out. Obviously it's not as easy as that most of the time, but the manager wields absolute power and there's no real incentive for any manager to focus on the long-term at the moment.
Martial has shown us last season that he can play very well in a possession system.
Pogba is a midfielder who has questionable decision making, loves to be unpredictable, and has trouble with the simple stuff.
Does that sound like a possession player to you?
Well it's not a good way to do things post SAF - it hasn't worked for us thus far. Only SAF could keep winning even if he made dodgy decisions - but no other manager can, especially not a Jose that's not at the height of his powers.
Here are the starts laid out game by game:
Martial's consecutive starts:
14th August-27th August (3 games): Bournemouth, Southampton, Hull City
15th September-18th September (2 games): Zorya Luhansk, Watford
30th November-4th December (2 games): West Ham (league cup), Everton
Of course it isn't, but it's the situation we're in. A lot of folks were hoping United would modernize their power structure after SAF, but that hasn't happened and after 3 managerial changes, I think it's safe to say it isn't happening any time soon.
Here are the starts laid out game by game:
Martial's consecutive starts:
14th August-27th August (3 games): Bournemouth, Southampton, Hull City
15th September-18th September (2 games): Zorya Luhansk, Watford
30th November-4th December (2 games): West Ham (league cup), Everton
Cheers for the effort.
There's definitely something going on behind the scenes, just hope UTD doesn't get feked over because of it.
Honestly no other player we have has that ability to get us on our feet in expectations of producing some magic everytime he gets the ball.
Mourinho has justified Martial's playing time by saying that other players deserved to have game time too. In principle it's understandable but do you seriously put Lingard and Martial at the same level? is that wise?
I'm fairly sure that Martial would start more often for better teams than current United, so he might not appreciate his current situation.
I'm fairly sure that Martial would start more often for better teams than current United, so he might not appreciate his current situation.
Will be interesting to see if some top team will test us with some cheeky bid by the end of January...
Doubt anything happens in January, but I'd be very wary of a big bid by PSG in the summer.
And neither does Mourinhi hence Martial playing about 33% more than Lingard
That's how he justified it and the table provided by Damien shows that initially it's Lingard who was mainly played instead of Martial but Mkhi has now took Lingard's place.
You're probably right, if nothing changes we'll have a very stressful summer.
Can also see Dortmund going after him if they sell Aubameyang.
Here's it filled out a bit more:
Key:
Red = Not picked in squad
Red with (+) in = Injured
Red with (S) in = Suspended
White = Sub
Green with tick = Started
Yellow = On bench
Minutes in last 10 games:
Mkhitaryan - 502 (55.8%) - 2 goals, 1 assist
Mata - 464 (51.6%) - 2 goals, 2 assists
Rooney - 381 (42.3%) - 2 goals, 2 assists
Martial - 364 (40.4%) - 2 goals
Rashford - 305 (33.9%) - 2 goals, 1 assist
Lingard - 253 (28.1%) - 1 assist
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Here's it filled out a bit more:
Key:
Red = Not picked in squad
Red with (+) in = Injured
Red with (S) in = Suspended
White = Sub
Green with tick = Started
Yellow = On bench
Minutes in last 10 games:
Mkhitaryan - 502 (55.8%)
Mata - 464 (51.6%)
Rooney - 381 (42.3%)
Martial - 364 (40.4%)
Rashford - 305 (33.9%)
Lingard - 253 (28.1%)
Not even being picked for 6 games even tho no other player really outperformed him in LW position is really worrying.
Yesterday's decision to play Mikhi on the left (even tho his best performances came from playing on the right) and starting Mata on the right whilst not including Martial was a fekin dreadful decision.
The worst part is that people are actually trying to justify it by saying he probably isn't trying as hard. Ffs even when he's playing good he isn't getting the run of games.
Btw are you making these all by yourself?
Yeah, getting the info is easy (just edited in the stats for those games).
Not the right profile for Dortmund...they're not the business of paying exorbitant amounts of money for players.
Nice. Still requires quite a bit of work to be done. Cheers again for the effort.
Btw is white used or unused sub?
Atm he isn't only because of the price paid for him but if they are to sell Aubameyang for 80 ish million they're planning, i can really see them going for him.
If you disregard the price tag, he'd fit their side perfectly.
Martial's treatment is the main reason I'm not convinced by Mourinho.
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