I know many here don't like him and think he's full of shit but Pilib de Brun says he flew home to Paris when he knew he wasn't in the squad and that it's because Jose doesn't feel he is intense enough and doesn't work hard enough.
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Martial is by far our most talented attacking player, I'll never forgive Jose if he leaves. Tough love is fine, but he should not be a dick to a very talented young player. Just leave him to do his thing, let him be as he is.
Feeling depressed about his situation. It's not like we are firing on all cylinders anyway.
And for those saying Jose doesn't do well with youngsters.... Robben was 20 when he joined Chelsea in that awesome season for Chelsea.
And for those saying Jose doesn't do well with youngsters.... Robben was 20 when he joined Chelsea in that awesome season for Chelsea.
I know some think he is bullshitter but he is followed by skysports reporters and Duncan castles. I would still take it with a pinch of salt.
I question Jose's man managrment. And squad management.
He needs to learn that Mata is not a right winger, he's a #10. Only use him when you go 4-2-3-1. Mhki is better on the right than the left but also looks to be more of a #10 as he rarely stays on the wing. He doesn't need to be played on the left. Rashford is a #9, rotate him with Ibra and not Martial. Martial is better than Lingard. Last season there was no problem with Martial which means it's Jose's managrment of him that is at fault. Happy players play better and with more energy. So far Jose is demotivating him rather than motivating him.
He needs to learn that Mata is not a right winger, he's a #10. Only use him when you go 4-2-3-1. Mhki is better on the right than the left but also looks to be more of a #10 as he rarely stays on the wing. He doesn't need to be played on the left. Rashford is a #9, rotate him with Ibra and not Martial. Martial is better than Lingard. Last season there was no problem with Martial which means it's Jose's managrment of him that is at fault. Happy players play better and with more energy. So far Jose is demotivating him rather than motivating him.
I don't understand what's happening. This guy was our best player last season, and not working hard is something you cannot associate with him, because he works very hard. The crazy thing is, at the start of the season when he was having off field issues, Mourinho picked him, soon as it seemed that it has been resolved, he stopped picking him. Just like Shaw, you can't expect consistency from young players, so, I don't know what Mourinho is playing at here. And it's not like we're firing on all cylinders, we're struggling to score goals, Martial can chip in with goals every now and then, whatever this is, I don't know if it's bad management, but I don't like what is happening.
Perhaps Mourinho thinks he is still in Madrid and everybody likes to play mind games.
We need Martial and Shaw to be back in the line-up and playing consistently. These players need a few games in a row to get into their flow. You can't just pick them for one odd game here and there and expect them to shine. Lingard and Darmian might work harder but they don't have the natural ability that these guys possess. We are losing valuable points by not playing our best players. Earlier in the season, it was Mkhi and now it is Martial and Shaw.
Regardless of anyone's opinions on the Martial situation this guy is a complete bull shitter in every sense of the word, has no info at all regarding United, never -proven to have any source and should be ignored. The Sun is more reliable this guy, deadly serious.
Wonder what he did for Jose to not even include him in the squad.
Just listened to Pilip de Brun's take on this, and he said according to his sources ag the club there was no bust up. Says Martial found out fairly last minute that he wasn't in the squad then went to Paris instead. He thinks Jose was trying to deliver some kind of message to Martial. I guess he wasn't impressed with his performance against Liverpool. Personally, I thought Martial started very well but Liverpool saw the threat and adjusted to it by tripling up on him, and no player can deal with that, its up to the team to take advantage of the space that opens up in other areas. I think Jose is being far too harsh on him.
Interestingly, he also suggests that he's heard from those around Shaw that he might be suffering from depression, that he's not mentally right. He also noticed the downfall of Depay after Shaw got his leg break. Our left flank is such a mess this season. We may see Jose buy a whole new left wing this summer.
Seems that all is not rosy in the camp right now if that's true. Strange that Martial cleared off to Paris and it doesn't help the argument that he doesn't have a bad attitude or there is no issue there.
Martial is probably my favorite United player to watch and i rate him really highly, but I can't really blame Mourinho for not just caving in to him If he's not doing what is required of him and then throws a strop when challenged about it.
Martial is probably my favorite United player to watch and i rate him really highly, but I can't really blame Mourinho for not just caving in to him If he's not doing what is required of him and then throws a strop when challenged about it.
One thing I admired about SAF was he knew how to handle different players in different ways. Not sure Jose has anything but tough love and my way or the high way. Do think though that Martial needs to change his agent urgently.
It happened exactly the same when he was at Monaco with Jardim.
The Portuguese coach came to Monaco found this young forward in his team but questioned his behavior, his commitment during the games.
I remember once, I think it was against Nantes, he came in at the 60th mins and went off at 80th min because of his poor behavior.
He always had this attitude in him. I was not happy by his performance against Liverpool and I was even less when he went off and said some sweet words when he walked on the touchline.
The team needs his dynamism, but he's never been a top performer this year, he really need to take example on Mkhitaryan or he may leave soon
The Portuguese coach came to Monaco found this young forward in his team but questioned his behavior, his commitment during the games.
I remember once, I think it was against Nantes, he came in at the 60th mins and went off at 80th min because of his poor behavior.
He always had this attitude in him. I was not happy by his performance against Liverpool and I was even less when he went off and said some sweet words when he walked on the touchline.
The team needs his dynamism, but he's never been a top performer this year, he really need to take example on Mkhitaryan or he may leave soon
This pretty much sums it up. Mourinho needs to adjust his approach and Martial needs to tell his loudmouth agent to STFU.
And what about Martial himself? He's definitely not without blame.
The agent is as loud as the player wants him to be as after all he is acting in his best interest. If his agents talks too much in the media then somehow Martial must be involved too.
SAF hand picked players who he knew himself were mentally prepared. How many players in the SAF era would you go have said "wow that guy is mentally weak" and SAF didn't either bin him quickly or manage him effectively. Look, I am not trying to create an argument out of nothing, we don't know what is going on with Martial/Jose.
I think we're reading a bit to much into this whole thing. Jose knows his players and be patient, Martial is young and still learning.
No idea if there's any truth in that tweet, but I think it's clear Martial needs to pick it up...and quickly. He was our best player last year, but that may well have been (shock horror) because of the way LvG played him.
He's having more asked of him now, and he needs to adapt. If less talented players are getting game time ahead of him, it can only be because he's not working hard enough - there's no other explanation.
I fear if he doesn't, he'll be off in the summer. Especially if there's any truth in the Griezmann chat.
He's having more asked of him now, and he needs to adapt. If less talented players are getting game time ahead of him, it can only be because he's not working hard enough - there's no other explanation.
I fear if he doesn't, he'll be off in the summer. Especially if there's any truth in the Griezmann chat.
Are you saying Martial is mentally weak? Because I don't think someone who was not only our top scorer but also our best player at 19 years of age in his first season for Manchester united can be called mentally weak.
Not sure if you've noticed but everytime he performs good he gets dropped the next game. Not much he can do really.
Rooney has gotten more minutes than Martial? That's disgusting, yes Rooney is a club legend, he tries hard sometimes for the team but he is past it, give Rooney 250 minutes instead of Lingard. Lingard has something about him, he runs in behind beautifully sometimes. Rooney slows down our attack, ruins our fluidity, sure he scored a nice free kick and I love Rooney, I genuinely do, but he is not good enough to play more minutes than Rashford or Martial, maybe not even Lingard.Here's it filled out a bit more:
Key:
Red = Not picked in squad
Red with (+) in = Injured
Red with (S) in = Suspended
White = Sub
Green with tick = Started
Yellow = On bench
Minutes in last 10 games:
Mkhitaryan - 502 (55.8%) - 2 goals, 1 assist
Mata - 464 (51.6%) - 2 goals, 2 assists
Rooney - 381 (42.3%) - 2 goals, 2 assists
Martial - 364 (40.4%) - 2 goals
Rashford - 305 (33.9%) - 2 goals, 1 assist
Lingard - 253 (28.1%) - 1 assist
It's just alarming for me that Martial isn't getting a consistent consecutive run of games especially since there is almost no one challenging his spot.
I'm pretty sure that he's not one of Mourinho's favorites because he's consistently our laziest player every time he plays. Just look his games and you can see a lot of missed runs and a lot of times where he forgets to track back his man. Last year this wasn't a problem, because of LVG more static style, but with Mourinho's dynamic approach every lack of effort is noticeable.
He's amazing and judging by his talent alone he's a potential Ballon D'Or contender, but I don't think his mentality is the best for now.
He's amazing and judging by his talent alone he's a potential Ballon D'Or contender, but I don't think his mentality is the best for now.
Yes and no. I hold the guy to a high standard after last season and he's come nowhere near that so far this year. Even when I and others have praised him for playing well, it's more a sense that he's coming good but not at his best.
And to be fair, he's played all the big games recently. He did well under the circumstances against Liverpool, but there were some annoying aspects such as his lazy attitude off the ball when there were a few times he should have run in behind the full back but didn't.
To directly answer your point, there have been a few times he's not played when i thought he was nailed on. However, it wasn't an outrage because he was still nowhere near his best at any point. Not sure what it is this season but he looks incredibly lethargic and seems slower than last year somehow.
No. Read the context of the discussion please. In the same post I said to relax and let Jose assess his players and to be patient with young prospects, the best players can struggle with their mentality on and off the pitch in a new system. Martial is no different, people need to just relax and let football go at an appropriate pace. Howling for his inclusion when not knowing all the facts between games and on the training paddock is not ideal.
We can agree that he hasn't been on his last season's level but has any player really outperformed him in that LW spot?
He has been somewhat lazy in some games but also there's that lingering issue of him not having an adequate partner down the left side. Show's who knows where with Mourinho, Darmian offers nothing in attacking sense and Blind never gets picked to play alongside Martial. There were few instances when he had made them runs but he didn't get the ball.
I want what's best for the club and nobody can persuade me that not giving a consecutive run of games to our last season's best player especially when he's playing good, is in the club's best interest.
There's no "think" about it. He claims to be a Spanish lawyer. He's an English United fan who changed his twitter ID to get followers. See these tweets where his old ID is tagged
I think this whole thing started because Mourinho took his number away without even talking with him. I think it was disrespectful and I think Martial had every reasons to be upset.
I don't think it's anything to do with performance really. Because this team is full of under performers. Martial is the least of our problems.
Well thats that then. No more tweets from him.
Normally I'd be behind the player, given the sort of managers we have had since SAF, but Jose is the biggest winner left in the game and knows what's required in this league like the back of his hand so Martial has to listen, be patient and knuckle down. If he listens he will realise his huge potential but if he doesn't he will simply find himself replaced.
Wouldn't be so worried if it wasn't for these parasitic football agents. Mourinho knows what's best for Martial, not his agent.
Interesting to hear some posters saying he had a good game vs Liverpool - that wasn't what I saw. He looked bright in the first 10 mins but then faded completely before getting substituted early - this was also when he was facing a young full-back playing his first ever league game for Liverpool. Hardly inspiring.
Agreed
Martial's bad period started during the Euro's and he seems to have stayed in that state, nothing to do with Mourinho in my opinion.
If I understand the bit about Martials' appearances correctly, it appears he never tends to play for the whole 90 minutes. That's consistent with the general impression that I have of him getting tired too quickly. So maybe the stamina to last the whole match is a big issue for Mourinho? This wouldn't necessarily be obvious last season as our football was played at a pedestrian intensity. He is still young, and hopefully he should be able to improve his fitness and stamina over time.
There's a very simple and consistent rule with Jose's United,
If you don't consistently work your arse off, you will be dropped.
I think we can all agree this is a fairly respectable rule.
It's astonishing to think Jose still takes shit from everyone considering how he managed the Mikki situation. with the player himself even coming out to praise Jose at the end.
If you don't consistently work your arse off, you will be dropped.
I think we can all agree this is a fairly respectable rule.
It's astonishing to think Jose still takes shit from everyone considering how he managed the Mikki situation. with the player himself even coming out to praise Jose at the end.
Pretty confident he won't be sold but this season is fast looking like a write-off. The fact we are even having this debate is a bit disheartening.
This.
Just seen training pictures from today. Carrick/Martial not in sight.
Would be a serious concern if Martial is not in the team on Thursday vs Hull.
17 goals last season and only 3 starts this year consecutively. Not sure what others think but I believe Martial is easily our best player on form.
Mkhitaryan/Mata/Lingard although very good in flashes I don't think they are naturally suited to being out wide. I always think we look better when Rashford/Martial are out there.
Mkhitaryan/Mata/Rooney/Ibrahimovic at times I feel there is a lack of cohesion. Final pass, touch and finish is always missing.
I hope we sort Martial's situation out, fantastic player, I actually didn't think he was that bad vs LFC.
I think he tends to play a lot better when Daley Blind is at LB. I don't think he's as effective with Darmian.
We also need goals, Ibrahimovic is doing well but needs help and we should see more goals coming from wide areas than we have so far.
Not worried just yet in terms of him leaving for a few reasons. We are still paying off all his clauses to Monaco. His whole package/transfer cost close to £60M.
Also Mourinho blocked his loan move to Sevilla, So, I like to believe he sees his quality. This is one player we'd regret selling/moving on.
Would be a serious concern if Martial is not in the team on Thursday vs Hull.
17 goals last season and only 3 starts this year consecutively. Not sure what others think but I believe Martial is easily our best player on form.
Mkhitaryan/Mata/Lingard although very good in flashes I don't think they are naturally suited to being out wide. I always think we look better when Rashford/Martial are out there.
Mkhitaryan/Mata/Rooney/Ibrahimovic at times I feel there is a lack of cohesion. Final pass, touch and finish is always missing.
I hope we sort Martial's situation out, fantastic player, I actually didn't think he was that bad vs LFC.
I think he tends to play a lot better when Daley Blind is at LB. I don't think he's as effective with Darmian.
We also need goals, Ibrahimovic is doing well but needs help and we should see more goals coming from wide areas than we have so far.
Not worried just yet in terms of him leaving for a few reasons. We are still paying off all his clauses to Monaco. His whole package/transfer cost close to £60M.
Also Mourinho blocked his loan move to Sevilla, So, I like to believe he sees his quality. This is one player we'd regret selling/moving on.
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