Well, if his agent is stirring up the shite, then I don't blame Mourinho at all for making a stand. Ferguson would have done the same, he hated agents and their manipulative ways.
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Well, if his agent is stirring up the shite, then I don't blame Mourinho at all for making a stand. Ferguson would have done the same, he hated agents and their manipulative ways.
He has to change. I dunno know what, but he is not pleasing Mourinho. The other way isn't gonna happen , unless he's Ibra. So he needs to understands what his manager wants from him and work hard for it.
The team is playing for Ibrahimovic and Pogba just as last year's team was playing for Martial. All managers build teams to maximise their best players' ability. Did Ibra play well when the team was built around Messi? No. Why do you expect Martial to play well even when he always get taken off early or not selected? Meanwhile Ibra and Pogba never have to worry about any of that.
Ibra is 35 years old. Soon he will be history. Unless he wins the league here, he will be forgotten very quickly. It is unthinkable that we are prioritizing him over Martial. If there is 1 player we should build the team around, it should be Martial.
Of course, Mourinho won't care about any of that because he is all about the here and now.
Why is it unthinkable we're prioritising a guy who's scored nearly half our goals over a guy who's scored two league goals?
You've said it perfectly.
The thing is the manager is new and still learning about his players apart from Zlatan. The fans at least have watched these players many times before.
Nevertheless, you have admit there is going to be a lot of question marks why did Jose drop player like Martial in a West ham game after amazing performance against Middleborough and dropped him after had a good game against Liverpool? He had a great game against Reading in FA cup too. So pretty much from that "Middleborough" game he played total three games and all of them were good. So why did he get dropped? If it's because of rotation then why not try to do more stupid things by dropping our good form players like Zlatan and De Gea against Stoke city because both Rashford and Romero do also need playing time.
I hear you but Martial hasn't been consistently good enough to merit that. He's also not got the pedigree of Pogba or Ibra to be treated the same. He's potentially a great player but without the right work ethnic and the ability to keep pushing he'll end up like others elsewhere as this situation isn't going to improve. Should Utd buy the lad from Spain (name escapes me), that's only gonna but pressure on other positions when you shuffle the pack.
Because even with all his goals, we are still 6th.
Martial hasn't been great this season, lots of things have been going on with him personally, plus he has one of those Athletes Foot annoyances of an agent. However...as others have stated on here, we are not there in training all week. One thing Ferguson always banged on about was attitude in training....that gave him a huge sign as to who was ready and in the right frame of mind for an upcoming match. Perhaps there are various issues at the moment going on with Marital. Mourinho has hinted about his attitude once of twice this season, I think that says a lot.
And if the other players had taken their chances we wouldn't be.
Christ, if you had it your way we'd probably not even be in the top half.
It's nothing to do with Ibra or Pogba. It's very simple in fact, Martial, Mhkitaryan, Rashford, Mata, Rooney, Lingard etc... simply have not contributed enough goals around him. I don't even know how its a debate.
Lets put this into perspective: Ibra is joint top scorer in the league. Our next highest are Pogba and Mata in joint 41st place.
Martial and Mkhitaryan and Rooney are joint 84th. Even if you make the argument about minutes, the 6 goals we've got from those three would put them joint 21st equal with people like Leroy Fer. We just haven't scored enough goals.
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But when he turned into that consistency in his last three games he was still being dropped.
Play amazing against Middleborough, he was dropped against West Ham
Play amazing against Reading, he was dropped against Hull
Play good against Liverpool, he was dropped and didn't make the bench against Stoke City.
Oh I don't know, why shouldn't we build the team around the guy scoring half our goals or the world's most expensive player? Again, we never had just one guy doing it all for us. One man teams just don't go anywhere - ask Tottenham during the Bale era. If Martial wants to be Tony Bigshot, then he's free to be Everton's Messi if he wants to. You play for the team here, always has been and always will be.
Who's to say that Pogba and Ibra doesn't have to worry about being taken off? That's pure speculation at this point and it's clear that you're just assuming a ton of stuff about Jose.
Finally.
Oh wait, Tony Martial scored a worldie against Liverpool and led us to 5th, he's undroppable.
Again I might be a million miles away but I think his personal life has equally impacted on his football. If you look at his profile before he came, it's quite different to now being a Utd player. This was a lad with childhood sweetheart and child on significantly less money and profile than were he's come from. Not suggesting it's happen but I'm interested on now with model girlfriend in how this has impacted on Martial the footballer. From reading what his ex says....he's a different lad indeed.
4 page jump since this morning, I crapped myself that something happened!
We are seriously not scoring enough goals, i think in the next few fixtures id like to see us set up with mata on the right, mikhytarian on the left pogba and herrara in midfield with zlatan and martial playing upfront it wil allow zlatan to drop off and martial to return in behind the defense.
With zlatan we are limited to how we play he does not have the pace to run in behind and the opposing team defense can push up.
With zlatan we are limited to how we play he does not have the pace to run in behind and the opposing team defense can push up.
If Martial is dropped from the squad due to inconsistency who are the consistent wingers taking his place? Can you name them?
You dont pay nearly 100m for a player or sign one of the biggest profiled players in the world and don't play them. These players are beyond just football as we seen at the Liverpool game last week with Pogba....forget current league position as the seasons not over but the profile of the team is massively different with them both on and off the pitch.
If your promoting your brand, who would you want wearing it, Pogba, Ibra or martial?
What @Wednesday at Stoke said. If that game was the barometer for who should or shouldn't be included then Pogba shouldn't have been within a mile of the team.
Here are videos of his two starts before the Liverpool game:
versus Middlesbrough (31 Dec 2016)
- 0:40 - good cross to Mkhitaryan at the far post.
- 2:04 - cross in the box to Fellaini who heads it over.
- 2:37 - hit from outside the box which produces a save from the goalkeeper (was probably just going wide anyway).
- 2:47 - in the box, pass to Ibra who kicks it in (disallowed).
- 6:22 - Pogba to Ibra who heads it down to Martial... goal.
versus Reading (07 Jan 2017)
- 0:47 - runs through two players, passes ball to Mata in the box who then gives it to Rooney who scores.
- 1:26 - 1-2 with Rooney and scores.
- 2:53 - amazing control of the ball after a Mata pass. Ran at the defence and passed it to Mata in the box who hit it over.
- 3:52 - pass to Carrick in decent position who hits it and produces good save from the goalkeeper.
- 4:33 - through ball to Rooney
Would be even better with support from fullback.
Not just that. Martial will get more leeway at the club if he broke in to one of Europe's best midfields and actually became their standout player, or if you're a certified legend who's won a league title everywhere he's went. He still has a long way to go. Not sure why so many people think we should just bend over.
Careful with those arguments, when you use brand and marketing profile to justify a team selection something is properly wrong.
Hahahahah, mate how many titles do these players have between them?!?!?! KdB is a good player, I admit it, but he has been so inconsistent of late that what you say is ridiculous. Saying that Lukaku and Ryan Bertrand are Premier League winning talents and saying Martail is worlds best youngster totally killed the discussion. You have probably been smoking something strong. Have a nice day, mate!!!
None of them at mo as I haven't seen another merit holding down a starting position. That said and I've already stated, I don't think it's solely about his wing play. I think he needs to offer more and all the best players generally do. If you think of Mata playing wide with all his limitations, yesterday aside offers more.
If you say that Mou has not done his homework and does not know everything about the players is an outrageous argument. He had watched them thoroughly quite more than any of us bro, that is hs job. What you are saying tells me that you understand football as much as a first grader understands quantum physics...Have a nice day!
But not in absence of the quality of both these players which both these have in abundance. Like I said, never been clearer than Pogba at OT last week....
Correct....
Good game against Liverpool? that really killed the discussion again. You probably watch something else than I do. Bye mate...
Are you arguing with yourself? Twilight zone.
Well, you can't just run away and said "have a nice day" after insulting me.
So you think Jose was right to drop Martial from the squad after three good consecutive matches? For people who thinks know about football more than me surely you should know the answer of this question. Manager makes mistakes. Admit it it was a mistake from Jose about Martial's issue, even Sir Alex did make some mistake in his career.
The post was meant for you just mistyped it, but again I requote it: good game against Liverpool? What game did you watch, definitely something else, right?
His competition for places are Mkhi, Mata, Rashford, Lingard and sometimes Rooney. Drop Mkhi and people ask questions, again. Mata, god knows how many "Mata must start" posts have I seen before yesterday's game. Alright, a lot of people don't like Rooney and Lingard so they are happy the less they see of them in the squad. Essentially Martial's closest competitor is Rashford who is of slightly lesser age and experience. Is Martial getting less gametime than Rashford? No. Our captain and club record goalscorer has had to spend more time on the bench this season than under any other manager. Rashford our golden boy for the future has been used sparingly (which I'm glad) as well. Martial had a few decent to great games in the recent run, out of an entire half a season. He's 21, not a key player at or near his prime. Shocking that he's sitting out a game here and there?
I'm not sure I agree with that. The team should always strive to play better. Our finishing is poor but it would also help to keep trying to create more clear cut chances. Pogba's chance for example was an instinctive effort and Rashford's was not a very clear cut chance. Better players on the pitch would help creating better chances.
You do realise that these players that are currently first choice are having us in 6th place?
Which were those 3 consecutive good matches, I really do not remember them?!?! I remember him having a good game against Boro (31.12) and against West Ham one month before that... THat is what I meant how can I discuss something with someone who in my opinion does not understand what he is saying. I am not insulting you in no way whatsoever. I am just stating the facts...
I didn't see any mental issues with martial last season. I hope Jose starts understanding his potential and prioritises him higher. It's a shame that he's getting nothing out of our finest talent and even managing to sideline him. Well bloody done.
I think Martial is being judged harshly and to different set of parameters when compared to his competition. Earlier in the season there might have been the case of him being poor but off late he seems to be improving showing greater off the ball movement , better work ethic and posing higher attacking threat. He simply isn't been allowed to build any sort of positive momentum even after good performance he has been inexplicably dropped regularly.
Even If we concede he has been continuously poor as some of the posters in this thread would like us all to believe which can't be farther from the truth what exactly other options have done that he isn't even being afforded the Luxury of being on the bench for some of our games.
Even If we concede he has been continuously poor as some of the posters in this thread would like us all to believe which can't be farther from the truth what exactly other options have done that he isn't even being afforded the Luxury of being on the bench for some of our games.
If you don't think he had a good game against Liverpool, I doubt you even watch the game or you were just drunk with your beer when you watch it? I watched the game twice mate. Live and downloaded the full match so I know more stuff about Martial vs Liverpool than you do. I suggested you go watch the game again, you can find the full match in "Manchester United" thread.
Good bye and have a nice watch.
Right so if they're all inconsistent why drop from the squad the most talented of the bunch?
Yeah he has area he can improve on but again, so can all the others.....massively.
Drop players when they play poor but keep playing them when they play well. Simple principal.
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